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The most annoying aspect of Lomachenko is when his fans claim that Luke Campbell is a welterweight, when the reality is that he is definitely a lightweight.

Lol, his fans are what is annoying. Somehow thus fight turns into a Hank Armstrong display, feather vs welter just to support their claims to the mythical title. Crawford, Spence, Inoue, loma, canelo and usyk are all acceptable answers for the mythical title. I've got loma 4th.

It was feather vs lightweight. Two diviisons difference.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑01 Sep 2019, 14:23

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑01 Sep 2019, 10:52

Yes, he is way above Crawford. Not sure how Crawford would look against prime Lara or another elite JMW.

He's just not as good as Terrence. He's faster than bud, that's the only thing he does better. Loma is top 5, this default #1 talk is nonsense.

Loma does almost everything better than Bud.

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑01 Sep 2019, 15:20

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑01 Sep 2019, 14:23

He's just not as good as Terrence. He's faster than bud, that's the only thing he does better. Loma is top 5, this default #1 talk is nonsense.

Loma does almost everything better than Bud.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑01 Sep 2019, 15:21

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑01 Sep 2019, 15:20

Loma does almost everything better than Bud.

Crawford makes adjustments mid-fight better, but Loma has superior footwork and speed.

Crawford has the edge in power I'd say. Crawford probably has better defense too. Loma's beaten better fighters though, and usually looked better in his biggest wins.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑01 Sep 2019, 15:24

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑01 Sep 2019, 15:21

Crawford makes adjustments mid-fight better, but Loma has superior footwork and speed.

Crawford has the edge in power I'd say. Crawford probably has better defense too. Loma's beaten better fighters though, and usually looked better in his biggest wins.

Can't say loma has looked better in his biggest fights. Nobody has ever given bud half the trouble Linares gave loma. Not to mention salido. Can't hold his 2nd fight against him, but that was a bigger fight than any of these. Footwork is about even, loma has quicker and fancier movement but he doesn't switch back and forth effortlessly like Crawford does. Loma is definitely easier to hit, but he throws more punches too.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑01 Sep 2019, 15:24

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑01 Sep 2019, 15:21

Crawford makes adjustments mid-fight better, but Loma has superior footwork and speed.

Crawford has the edge in power I'd say. Crawford probably has better defense too. Loma's beaten better fighters though, and usually looked better in his biggest wins.

When didn't Loma do a good job adjusting mid fight? Also, with harder opponents than of Crawford, Loma needed to adjust more.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑01 Sep 2019, 15:28

gilgamesh wrote: ↑01 Sep 2019, 15:24

Crawford makes adjustments mid-fight better, but Loma has superior footwork and speed.

Crawford has the edge in power I'd say. Crawford probably has better defense too. Loma's beaten better fighters though, and usually looked better in his biggest wins.

Can't say loma has looked better in his biggest fights. Nobody has ever given bud half the trouble Linares gave loma. Not to mention salido. Can't hold his 2nd fight against him, but that was a bigger fight than any of these. Footwork is about even, loma has quicker and fancier movement but he doesn't switch back and forth effortlessly like Crawford does. Loma is definitely easier to hit, but he throws more punches too.

Crawford was troubled a good bit by Gamboa in the early going. He was troubled a bit by Dulorme too. Other than Linares Loma really hasn't been troubled much at all by most people, and he dominated the majority of the fight with Linares too.

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑01 Sep 2019, 15:31

gilgamesh wrote: ↑01 Sep 2019, 15:24

Crawford makes adjustments mid-fight better, but Loma has superior footwork and speed.

Crawford has the edge in power I'd say. Crawford probably has better defense too. Loma's beaten better fighters though, and usually looked better in his biggest wins.

When didn't Loma do a good job adjusting mid fight? Also, with harder opponents than of Crawford, Loma needed to adjust more.

I didn't say he doesn't do a good job. With Crawford it's often just more obvious though because he's a bit of a slow starter. Usually Lomachenko starts off in full control, and stays in control.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑01 Sep 2019, 15:28 Nobody has ever given bud half the trouble Linares gave loma.

When he fights Spence or an elite JMW (if he ever does), we'll see how much trouble he will be in.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑01 Sep 2019, 15:33

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑01 Sep 2019, 15:28
Can't say loma has looked better in his biggest fights. Nobody has ever given bud half the trouble Linares gave loma. Not to mention salido. Can't hold his 2nd fight against him, but that was a bigger fight than any of these. Footwork is about even, loma has quicker and fancier movement but he doesn't switch back and forth effortlessly like Crawford does. Loma is definitely easier to hit, but he throws more punches too.

Crawford was troubled a good bit by Gamboa in the early going. He was troubled a bit by Dulorme too. Other than Linares Loma really hasn't been troubled much at all by most people, and he dominated the majority of the fight with Linares too.

Gambia troubled him, dulorme did not. Plenty of people talked up the chances of postol and indongo on here until it happened. Loma didn't dominate Linares, he got put on his ass and the fight was in the balance. Pretty obvious who's been more dominate in their biggest fights. The guy that didn't lose one if them. Though Russell is the best win either has,.

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑01 Sep 2019, 15:35

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑01 Sep 2019, 15:28 Nobody has ever given bud half the trouble Linares gave loma.

When he fights Spence or an elite JMW (if he ever does), we'll see how much trouble he will be in.

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑01 Sep 2019, 15:35

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑01 Sep 2019, 15:28 Nobody has ever given bud half the trouble Linares gave loma.

When he fights Spence or an elite JMW (if he ever does), we'll see how much trouble he will be in.

He hasn't even fought a Top 5 Welterweight yet. All of them are with PBC except for him.

Yea Crawfords resume way thinner than Loma. I think Postol Crawford best win followed by defeat of undersized Gamboa.

The only fight that would cause me to pay for PPV with Loma is for him to fight Mikey Garcia at 135/140, or Pac or Crawford at 140. All do-able.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑01 Sep 2019, 15:28

gilgamesh wrote: ↑01 Sep 2019, 15:24

Crawford makes adjustments mid-fight better, but Loma has superior footwork and speed.

Crawford has the edge in power I'd say. Crawford probably has better defense too. Loma's beaten better fighters though, and usually looked better in his biggest wins.

Can't say loma has looked better in his biggest fights. Nobody has ever given bud half the trouble Linares gave loma. Not to mention salido. Can't hold his 2nd fight against him, but that was a bigger fight than any of these. Footwork is about even, loma has quicker and fancier movement but he doesn't switch back and forth effortlessly like Crawford does. Loma is definitely easier to hit, but he throws more punches too.

P4P, Linares is far better than anyone Crawford has ever fought. He had a decent size advantage too (the fight night weight difference was greater than Loma enjoyed vs Rigo). Loma vs the bigger lightweights, is roughly similar to Crawford vs the bigger junior middleweights. Let's see how much trouble they give Crawford, before trying to compare the two.

I like Crawford, and he's clearly elite, but his resume is among the very thinnest of the P4P guys.

Bandog wrote: ↑01 Sep 2019, 18:48 The only fight that would cause me to pay for PPV with Loma is for him to fight Mikey Garcia at 135/140, or Pac or Crawford at 140. All do-able.

Crawford is too big for Loma and I doubt it will ever happen. Crawford steps on the ring well over 160 I'd guess and Loma steps in well under 140 I'd say guess. Different worlds.

Bandog wrote: ↑01 Sep 2019, 18:48 The only fight that would cause me to pay for PPV with Loma is for him to fight Mikey Garcia at 135/140, or Pac or Crawford at 140. All do-able.

Garcia and Pac are do-able. Crawford I don't imagine is.

Deleted_Scenes wrote: ↑02 Sep 2019, 14:29

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑01 Sep 2019, 15:28
Can't say loma has looked better in his biggest fights. Nobody has ever given bud half the trouble Linares gave loma. Not to mention salido. Can't hold his 2nd fight against him, but that was a bigger fight than any of these. Footwork is about even, loma has quicker and fancier movement but he doesn't switch back and forth effortlessly like Crawford does. Loma is definitely easier to hit, but he throws more punches too.

P4P, Linares is far better than anyone Crawford has ever fought. He had a decent size advantage too (the fight night weight difference was greater than Loma enjoyed vs Rigo). Loma vs the bigger lightweights, is roughly similar to Crawford vs the bigger junior middleweights. Let's see how much trouble they give Crawford, before trying to compare the two.

I like Crawford, and he's clearly elite, but his resume is among the very thinnest of the P4P guys.

Poor little loma getting compared to giant Crawford. You guys are ridiculous.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑02 Sep 2019, 15:24

Deleted_Scenes wrote: ↑02 Sep 2019, 14:29

P4P, Linares is far better than anyone Crawford has ever fought. He had a decent size advantage too (the fight night weight difference was greater than Loma enjoyed vs Rigo). Loma vs the bigger lightweights, is roughly similar to Crawford vs the bigger junior middleweights. Let's see how much trouble they give Crawford, before trying to compare the two.

I like Crawford, and he's clearly elite, but his resume is among the very thinnest of the P4P guys.

Poor little loma getting compared to giant Crawford. You guys are ridiculous.

You can't help, but mention other P4P types in conversation. Your insistence that Crawford is DEFINITELY better is baffling to me. Because he hasn't proven it in any way, shape or form.

I'm not saying he's not better, but he certainly hasn't proven it without any doubt or even come close to it.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑02 Sep 2019, 15:34

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑02 Sep 2019, 15:24

Poor little loma getting compared to giant Crawford. You guys are ridiculous.

You can't help, but mention other P4P types in conversation. Your insistence that Crawford is DEFINITELY better is baffling to me. Because he hasn't proven it in any way, shape or form.

I'm not saying he's not better, but he certainly hasn't proven it without any doubt or even come close to it.

Lmao, there you go again. We got along much better when you actually read my posts. Lomas gifts are plenty, he doesn't need fanboy bullshit like saying Crawford is a big welter while he's a tiny, tiny lightweight. Neither is true.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑02 Sep 2019, 15:41

gilgamesh wrote: ↑02 Sep 2019, 15:34

You can't help, but mention other P4P types in conversation. Your insistence that Crawford is DEFINITELY better is baffling to me. Because he hasn't proven it in any way, shape or form.

I'm not saying he's not better, but he certainly hasn't proven it without any doubt or even come close to it.

Lmao, there you go again. We got along much better when you actually read my posts. Lomas gifts are plenty, he doesn't need fanboy bullshit like saying Crawford is a big welter while he's a tiny, tiny lightweight. Neither is true.

I do read your posts, I didn't say anything that would imply I didn't.

I didn't say a goddamn thing about their relative sizes. My comment was on their victories, and how they've looked in their performances.

For Crawford to match Loma's achievements, he needs to beat some of the other name Welterweights. As of now he's steps below Loma.

Even if he were to beat Danny Garcia, Porter, Thurman all next year. He's still below Loma, but at least that would've gotten him closer.

Beating Spence would leapfrog him above Loma, but nothing else would. Except for a Loma defeat that is.

This happens a lot these days. People like to rush to anoint everything as the best ever without letting matters take their natural course.

It was the same with Golovkin a few years ago.

Lomachenko is a cracking fighter but the best ever? Can't see it myself. Certainly not at present anyway. Even in recent times you'd have to rank Mayweather and Pac ahead of him. And that's only going back a few years. We're not even talking about the greats that came before them.

I mean are we really saying he's better than the likes of Sugar Ray Leonard with a straight face?

ewenhay wrote: ↑02 Sep 2019, 15:53 This happens a lot these days. People like to rush to anoint everything as the best ever without letting matters take their natural course.

It was the same with Golovkin a few years ago.

Lomachenko is a cracking fighter but the best ever? Can't see it myself. Certainly not at present anyway. Even in recent times you'd have to rank Mayweather and Pac ahead of him. And that's only going back a few years. We're not even talking about the greats that came before them.

I mean are we really saying he's better than the likes of Sugar Ray Leonard with a straight face?

Who's calling him the best ever?

I've personally never seen better footwork from anyone else, but that's all I'd give him. I've definitely seen better, more accomplished fighters.