Re: What Does This Boxing Term Mean To You?
Posted: 02 Sep 2019, 18:43
There's always a market for a former contender against newcomers, so long as he's still able to test them. Briggs has been past that for years.
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Re: What Does This Boxing Term Mean To You?
Posted: 03 Sep 2019, 03:24
Shot is like Mike Tyson vs Kevin McBride, utterly no physical or mental resistance vs a guy who would have been lucky to last a minute against him in his prime.
Re: What Does This Boxing Term Mean To You?
Posted: 03 Sep 2019, 04:07
To be honest, it reminds me of watching sparring or amateur shows. Any clean blow on the scoring area will always have a few shouting “shot”.
“He’s shot” is a different matter.
“He’s shot” is a different matter.
Re: What Does This Boxing Term Mean To You?
Posted: 04 Sep 2019, 05:04
The term has especially horrible connotations for me as "shot away" was kind of local slang for somebody who'd been damaged mentally by drug abuse or some had just developed some mental illness. "Have you seen him recently? He's shot away."
To me it would be significant decline, some obvious cognitive or speech changes, loss of reflexes, speed. Some things happen naturally with age but I associate the term "shot fighter" with somebody who has literally sustained so many career beatings, whether in the gym or in the ring, that they are struggling to even perform as the same person as before, let alone as a boxer.
The most obvious examples I can think of (and I know some of these are still fighting and some aren't) are guys like Danny Williams, James Toney, Roy Jones, Jermain Taylor, Amir Khan, Sergio Martinez against Cotto... Basically guys that are damaged goods and should just retire.
To me it would be significant decline, some obvious cognitive or speech changes, loss of reflexes, speed. Some things happen naturally with age but I associate the term "shot fighter" with somebody who has literally sustained so many career beatings, whether in the gym or in the ring, that they are struggling to even perform as the same person as before, let alone as a boxer.
The most obvious examples I can think of (and I know some of these are still fighting and some aren't) are guys like Danny Williams, James Toney, Roy Jones, Jermain Taylor, Amir Khan, Sergio Martinez against Cotto... Basically guys that are damaged goods and should just retire.
Re: What Does This Boxing Term Mean To You?
Posted: 04 Sep 2019, 11:07
When people shout 'shot' it also reminds me of playing pool in the pubmickey1975 wrote: ↑03 Sep 2019, 04:07 To be honest, it reminds me of watching sparring or amateur shows. Any clean blow on the scoring area will always have a few shouting “shot”.
“He’s shot” is a different matter.
Re: What Does This Boxing Term Mean To You?
Posted: 04 Sep 2019, 11:29
David Price's chin can't take any kind of shot. 
Re: What Does This Boxing Term Mean To You?
Posted: 04 Sep 2019, 13:56
Reminds me of muay thai, every time one guy throws anything his team scream 'eeeehhhhh!!'mickey1975 wrote: ↑03 Sep 2019, 04:07 To be honest, it reminds me of watching sparring or amateur shows. Any clean blow on the scoring area will always have a few shouting “shot”.
“He’s shot” is a different matter.
Re: What Does This Boxing Term Mean To You?
Posted: 04 Sep 2019, 15:13
i think we get it but why ask ?
Re: What Does This Boxing Term Mean To You?
Posted: 05 Sep 2019, 01:36
Yes, they’re the worst for it.margaret thatcher wrote: ↑04 Sep 2019, 13:56Reminds me of muay thai, every time one guy throws anything his team scream 'eeeehhhhh!!'mickey1975 wrote: ↑03 Sep 2019, 04:07 To be honest, it reminds me of watching sparring or amateur shows. Any clean blow on the scoring area will always have a few shouting “shot”.
“He’s shot” is a different matter.
Re: What Does This Boxing Term Mean To You?
Posted: 05 Sep 2019, 02:49
It’s what Paul Smith will get at a world title very soonly....
Re: What Does This Boxing Term Mean To You?
Posted: 10 Sep 2019, 06:54
Indeed. Williams was shot through the stomach and never regained the big-hitting form that made him the second best heavyweight in the world (to Sonny Liston) in the years that Floyd Patterson and Ingemar Johannson played pass the world title in the late 1950s and early 1960s. The bullet also cost the man known as "Big Cat" probably the greatest physique in heavyweight history. (Yes, even better than Ken Norton's.)
How did it happen? On a November night in 1964, Cleveland was pulled over by an effectively racist cop for speeding or drink-driving, depending on what you read, arrested, handcuffed and placed in a police car. The cop then headed for the small town of Tomball in Texas and not the nearby city of Houston, where Williams lived and knew he would be bailed out. Tomball also happened to be racist. Williams undoubtedly became agitated. The cop drew his gun and shot him at point-blank range, shattering one of his kidneys, his colon and his right thigh, in which the bullet remained for the rest of the fighter's life. The cop got away with it, of course, in America. Williams was just another (black) man crassly shot by law enforcement and crassly shot in handcuffs.
The physical damage reduced Williams to a mere light-middleweight of 11 stone over the next few months but he slowly put the weight back on, worked his way to fitness and began fighting again, although he didn't look the same as he plodded to a few wins and the magnificent physique was gone too, the right leg thinner than the left, the natural power all but a memory. Despite a record to 67-5-1 (53), sympathy alone secured him a world title shot at Muhammad Ali in front of a huge crowd at the Houston Astrodome in 1966 but the unbeaten Ali, making the seventh defence of his title, was unbeatable in 1966 and gave a display that many regard as the greatest of his long career, dropping Williams four times before it was all over in the third round. It proved a massacre.
Williams carried on for six rather pointless years, cashing in on his name but losing every time he met someone decent and just to prove that life rarely bestows a happy ending, the bullet in his system eventually put paid to his remaining kidney and Cleveland required four hours of dialysis every day in a Houston hospital to stay alive. While leaving the hospital in 1999 at the age of 66, he crossed the street and was wiped out by a car
Re: What Does This Boxing Term Mean To You?
Posted: 10 Sep 2019, 08:11
Was Williams really that great though? He had a heavily padded record and who did he ever beat? He had a win over Terrell but lost the rematch, he lost to all the best fighters he faced.bennie wrote: ↑10 Sep 2019, 06:54Indeed. Williams was shot through the stomach and never regained the big-hitting form that made him the second best heavyweight in the world (to Sonny Liston) in the years that Floyd Patterson and Ingemar Johannson played pass the world title in the late 1950s and early 1960s. The bullet also cost the man known as "Big Cat" probably the greatest physique in heavyweight history. (Yes, even better than Ken Norton's.)
How did it happen? On a November night in 1964, Cleveland was pulled over by an effectively racist cop for speeding or drink-driving, depending on what you read, arrested, handcuffed and placed in a police car. The cop then headed for the small town of Tomball in Texas and not the nearby city of Houston, where Williams lived and knew he would be bailed out. Tomball also happened to be racist. Williams undoubtedly became agitated. The cop drew his gun and shot him at point-blank range, shattering one of his kidneys, his colon and his right thigh, in which the bullet remained for the rest of the fighter's life. The cop got away with it, of course, in America. Williams was just another (black) man crassly shot by law enforcement and crassly shot in handcuffs.
The physical damage reduced Williams to a mere light-middleweight of 11 stone over the next few months but he slowly put the weight back on, worked his way to fitness and began fighting again, although he didn't look the same as he plodded to a few wins and the magnificent physique was gone too, the right leg thinner than the left, the natural power all but a memory. Despite a record to 67-5-1 (53), sympathy alone secured him a world title shot at Muhammad Ali in front of a huge crowd at the Houston Astrodome in 1966 but the unbeaten Ali, making the seventh defence of his title, was unbeatable in 1966 and gave a display that many regard as the greatest of his long career, dropping Williams four times before it was all over in the third round. It proved a massacre.
Williams carried on for six rather pointless years, cashing in on his name but losing every time he met someone decent and just to prove that life rarely bestows a happy ending, the bullet in his system eventually put paid to his remaining kidney and Cleveland required four hours of dialysis every day in a Houston hospital to stay alive. While leaving the hospital in 1999 at the age of 66, he crossed the street and was wiped out by a car
Re: What Does This Boxing Term Mean To You?
Posted: 10 Sep 2019, 08:24
He was much better than he was in what the majority of people frustratingly call Ali's greatest performance.
Re: What Does This Boxing Term Mean To You?
Posted: 10 Sep 2019, 08:29
Yeah I could never really understand why that was classed as Ali's best performance, Williams was a dangerous puncher but that was about it.Onetimeonly wrote: ↑10 Sep 2019, 08:24 He was much better than he was in what the majority of people frustratingly call Ali's greatest performance.
Re: What Does This Boxing Term Mean To You?
Posted: 10 Sep 2019, 10:22
I named my first cat after him.
Re: What Does This Boxing Term Mean To You?
Posted: 10 Sep 2019, 10:48
When fighters get beat by people who wouldn't have even been considered sparring partners in their prime (Roy Jones Jr)
Some fighters get 'past it' but can still compete at the highest level (Wladimir K, Hopkins)
Other just are fvcked past a certain point (Tyson, RJJ, Danny Williams, DeGail)
Others get mentally shot (Price, Tommy Morrison)
Some fighters get 'past it' but can still compete at the highest level (Wladimir K, Hopkins)
Other just are fvcked past a certain point (Tyson, RJJ, Danny Williams, DeGail)
Others get mentally shot (Price, Tommy Morrison)
Re: What Does This Boxing Term Mean To You?
Posted: 14 Sep 2019, 10:18
i would say internlay finished, can still look the part on the outside, but finished in the head heart , body ,chin