Froch claims that Ward's fighting style is borderline cheating. Do you agree ?

[Lackeos]

Rules infractions in boxing are like those in pro wrestling. The referee is either blind as a bat, too afraid to enforce the rules, or too corrupt. Either way, fouling in broad daylight and underenforcement of the rules super common. Pretty much the only rule in boxing that gets strictly enforced is don't hit your opponent when he's down. In boxing, you can get away with about 600 headbutts without even losing one point. Some fighters get away with more than 20 punches below the belt. I don't remember the last time I saw someone lose a point for rabbit punching.

[ironbeard]

What a bunch of crybabies.

Ward kicked Kessler’s ass, comprehensively. He totally dominated Froch, like no one else ever did. He destroyed Dawson, and he got off the canvas in round 2 of the first fight and comprehensively outboxed Kovalev over the next 18 rounds, earning a close but fair decision, and turning the Krusher into a crybaby quitter in the second fight (after the Russian had characteristically talked mountains of sh!t, filled with bigoted organic material).

Resume the sob session.

[tigermoth87]

He's right. The Kessler fight was a disgrace the amount of blatant headbutts he got away with.

Some of that's on Kessler and Ward's other opponents, they should have gave just as much back. Kinda like Hatton getting lowblowed by Tszyu, just punched him square in the knackers.

[Paci]

He's right. The Kessler fight was a disgrace the amount of blatant headbutts he got away with.

Some of that's on Kessler and Ward's other opponents, they should have gave just as much back. Kinda like Hatton getting lowblowed by Tszyu, just punched him square in the knackers.

He knows the trade that is for sure, and is always going for the W. Legal or non-legal, a W is a W for him.

[Cent0089]

What a bunch of crybabies.

Ward kicked Kessler’s ass, comprehensively. He totally dominated Froch, like no one else ever did. He destroyed Dawson, and he got off the canvas in round 2 of the first fight and comprehensively outboxed Kovalev over the next 18 rounds, earning a close but fair decision, and turning the Krusher into a crybaby quitter in the second fight (after the Russian had characteristically talked mountains of sh!t, filled with bigoted organic material).

Resume the sob session.

IMO not many boxers can go away with headbutts, low blows and constant clinching like that. Ward is one of best boxers in recent years, but referees just love him.

[Bard of Boxrec]

he got off the canvas in round 2 of the first fight and comprehensively outboxed Kovalev over the next 18 rounds, earning a close but fair decision, and turning the Krusher into a crybaby quitter in the second fight (after the Russian had characteristically talked mountains of sh!t, filled with bigoted organic material).

Resume the sob session.

I would suggest you don’t know what ‘comprehensively outboxed’ means.

The best anyone can reasonably say for Ward was that they were competing on even terms for the vast majority of both of their two fights.

The worst is that Ward’s surest way of winning was to go low, so he did, repeatedly.

No whining or crying from me, just an opinion shared by a lot of people.

[ironbeard]

What a bunch of crybabies.

Ward kicked Kessler’s ass, comprehensively. He totally dominated Froch, like no one else ever did. He destroyed Dawson, and he got off the canvas in round 2 of the first fight and comprehensively outboxed Kovalev over the next 18 rounds, earning a close but fair decision, and turning the Krusher into a crybaby quitter in the second fight (after the Russian had characteristically talked mountains of sh!t, filled with bigoted organic material).

Resume the sob session.

IMO not many boxers can go away with headbutts, low blows and constant clinching like that. Ward is one of best boxers in recent years, but referees just love him.

He was a great, tough, super smart boxer who retired undefeated, financially secure, and with all of his marbles. Now he is an excellent boxing analyst.

[ironbeard]

he got off the canvas in round 2 of the first fight and comprehensively outboxed Kovalev over the next 18 rounds, earning a close but fair decision, and turning the Krusher into a crybaby quitter in the second fight (after the Russian had characteristically talked mountains of sh!t, filled with bigoted organic material).

Resume the sob session.

I would suggest you don’t know what ‘comprehensively outboxed’ means.

The best anyone can reasonably say for Ward was that they were competing on even terms for the vast majority of both of their two fights.

The worst is that Ward’s surest way of winning was to go low, so he did, repeatedly.

No whining or crying from me, just an opinion shared by a lot of people.

Fair enough. I disagree across the board.

[Bard of Boxrec]

You said in your own post that it was close. Then you say ward ‘comprehensively outboxed’ him. Which doesn’t imply close. So which is it?

[gilgamesh]

What a bunch of crybabies.

Ward kicked Kessler’s ass, comprehensively. He totally dominated Froch, like no one else ever did. He destroyed Dawson, and he got off the canvas in round 2 of the first fight and comprehensively outboxed Kovalev over the next 18 rounds, earning a close but fair decision, and turning the Krusher into a crybaby quitter in the second fight (after the Russian had characteristically talked mountains of sh!t, filled with bigoted organic material).

Resume the sob session.

He didn't deserve either victory over Kovalev. That'll never not be the case. HE didn't beat Kovalev. The Judges beat Kovalev, and Tony Weeks beat Kovalev. Ward was just the guy who's hand they raised after the right people did their job, and screwed him first.

I'm certainly not crying about it as robberies in Boxing is nothing new, but at the same time it's up to Boxing fans to remain vigilant, and acknowledge the truth as they see it because otherwise corruption just wins, and goes unchallenged.

[Bard of Boxrec]

What a bunch of crybabies.

Ward kicked Kessler’s ass, comprehensively. He totally dominated Froch, like no one else ever did. He destroyed Dawson, and he got off the canvas in round 2 of the first fight and comprehensively outboxed Kovalev over the next 18 rounds, earning a close but fair decision, and turning the Krusher into a crybaby quitter in the second fight (after the Russian had characteristically talked mountains of sh!t, filled with bigoted organic material).

Resume the sob session.

He didn't deserve either victory over Kovalev. That'll never not be the case. HE didn't beat Kovalev. The Judges beat Kovalev, and Tony Weeks beat Kovalev. Ward was just the guy who's hand they raised after the right people did their job, and screwed him first.

I'm certainly not crying about it as robberies in Boxing is nothing new, but at the same time it's up to Boxing fans to remain vigilant, and acknowledge the truth as they see it because otherwise corruption just wins, and goes unchallenged.

[margaret thatcher]

To say he comprehensively outboxed Kovalev is just dishonest. They pretty much split the rounds and what rounds Ward did win weren't by outboxing, they were through getting inside and being physical, going to the body and roughhousing. He took this approach precisely because when he boxed Kov at a distance he had lost most of the rounds and got dropped in the first half of their fight. He adapted and so credit for that.

Hey, fair play if you though Ward won both fights, that to me isn't the issue, but saying he comprehensively outboxed Kovalev isn't true in terms of the competitiveness or how Ward won the fights.

Ward was more of a strong, physical bully than a slick technical boxer. People who loved him just lump him into the latter a lot of the time because he wasn't a puncher and usually won decisions, and even people who don't like him often compare him to guys with totally different styles. A lot of people are lazy when it comes to assessing him.

[gilgamesh]

To say he comprehensively outboxed Kovalev is just dishonest. They pretty much split the rounds and what rounds Ward did win weren't by outboxing, they were through getting inside and being physical, going to the body and roughhousing. He took this approach precisely because when he boxed Kov at a distance he had lost most of the rounds and got dropped in the first half of their fight. He adapted and so credit for that.

Hey, fair play if you though Ward won both fights, that to me isn't the issue, but saying he comprehensively outboxed Kovalev isn't true in terms of the competitiveness or how Ward won the fights.

Ward was more of a strong, physical bully than a slick technical boxer. People who loved him just lump him into the latter a lot of the time because he wasn't a puncher and usually won decisions, and even people who don't like him often compare him to guys with totally different styles. A lot of people are lazy when it comes to assessing him.

Yeah. He wasn't unable to move and box or nothing, but it wasn't his main asset. He more often than not won fights by roughhousing guys on the inside, and making it ugly. He'd kinda pick and choose when these moments happened more often than not in his fights, but he almost always did better in close than he did at a distance.

He sometimes struggled when matched with other guys who did what he does well. Like Sakio Bika for instance. He actually did good at taking skilled boxers, and taking them out of a matchup where they can use their skills best.

[boxing_rocks]

Ward vs Toney would be an interesting matchup.

[oogiebe]

Right. Like whom?

Like Ward or Salido.

LOL! I meant what Russian was DQ'd in America.

[ewenhay]

Froch is partly right. Ward was a dirty fighter. Plenty are.

He was also a highly skilled technician.

Froch's comments are also traced with some bitterness and envy.

[ironbeard]

What a bunch of crybabies.

Ward kicked Kessler’s ass, comprehensively. He totally dominated Froch, like no one else ever did. He destroyed Dawson, and he got off the canvas in round 2 of the first fight and comprehensively outboxed Kovalev over the next 18 rounds, earning a close but fair decision, and turning the Krusher into a crybaby quitter in the second fight (after the Russian had characteristically talked mountains of sh!t, filled with bigoted organic material).

Resume the sob session.

He didn't deserve either victory over Kovalev. That'll never not be the case. HE didn't beat Kovalev. The Judges beat Kovalev, and Tony Weeks beat Kovalev. Ward was just the guy who's hand they raised after the right people did their job, and screwed him first.

I'm certainly not crying about it as robberies in Boxing is nothing new, but at the same time it's up to Boxing fans to remain vigilant, and acknowledge the truth as they see it because otherwise corruption just wins, and goes unchallenged.

They weren’t robberies. He got both wins and nothing you or anyone else whines about on here will ever change that.

[gilgamesh]

He didn't deserve either victory over Kovalev. That'll never not be the case. HE didn't beat Kovalev. The Judges beat Kovalev, and Tony Weeks beat Kovalev. Ward was just the guy who's hand they raised after the right people did their job, and screwed him first.

I'm certainly not crying about it as robberies in Boxing is nothing new, but at the same time it's up to Boxing fans to remain vigilant, and acknowledge the truth as they see it because otherwise corruption just wins, and goes unchallenged.

They weren’t robberies. He got both wins and nothing you or anyone else whines about on here will ever change that.

The official result will always stand, but eyes that see will never fail to see the truth, and nothing will ever change that either.

[oogiebe]

They weren’t robberies. He got both wins and nothing you or anyone else whines about on here will ever change that.

The official result will always stand, but eyes that see will never fail to see the truth, and nothing will ever change that either.

I thought Ward beat down Kov in the second fight.

[margaret thatcher]

The official result will always stand, but eyes that see will never fail to see the truth, and nothing will ever change that either.

I thought Ward beat down Kov in the second fight.

How you score the first?

[oogiebe]

I thought Ward beat down Kov in the second fight.

How you score the first?

I'd have to watch it again.

[margaret thatcher]

#TeamWard

or

#TeamKov

[gilgamesh]

The official result will always stand, but eyes that see will never fail to see the truth, and nothing will ever change that either.

I thought Ward beat down Kov in the second fight.

Yeah he did. With low blows.

[ironbeard]

To say he comprehensively outboxed Kovalev is just dishonest. They pretty much split the rounds and what rounds Ward did win weren't by outboxing, they were through getting inside and being physical, going to the body and roughhousing. He took this approach precisely because when he boxed Kov at a distance he had lost most of the rounds and got dropped in the first half of their fight. He adapted and so credit for that.

Hey, fair play if you though Ward won both fights, that to me isn't the issue, but saying he comprehensively outboxed Kovalev isn't true in terms of the competitiveness or how Ward won the fights.

Ward was more of a strong, physical bully than a slick technical boxer. People who loved him just lump him into the latter a lot of the time because he wasn't a puncher and usually won decisions, and even people who don't like him often compare him to guys with totally different styles. A lot of people are lazy when it comes to assessing him.

I had him winning by a point in a fight that he was down 20-17 going into the 3rd. In the second fight, it was Kovalev won 2 or 3 rounds, close.

Doing the math, without looking back at my cards, that is 12-6 or 13-5 in the 18 rounds after round 2 of the first fight, capped with a stoppage. If you get your panties bunched at the word comprehensive being utilized with that type of domination, fine. Call it close (although it wasn’t). Blame it on judges, refs, fouls, whatever.

Ward kicked Kovalev’s ass comprehensively in that 18 rounds, imo.

Btw, I was one of Ward’s biggest critics prior to the first Kovalev fight. My nickname for him was SOGgy. I was backing Kovalev in the fight.

Scoring it I had Ward shading it but I admitted that it could have gone either way. It was the utterly ludicrous and cacophonous cries of robbery that turned me against Kovalev, combined with his incessant whining and hyperbole.

I am very happy and impressed by Kovalev’s comeback, including his victory over Yarde, who I predicted would stop the Russian in 8.

[Bard of Boxrec]

Kovalev was just a better technical boxer overall, and I don’t see it as particularly close.