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oogiebe wrote: ↑10 Sep 2019, 17:51Both.

lazboy wrote: ↑10 Sep 2019, 19:20

oogiebe wrote: ↑10 Sep 2019, 17:51Both.

You have chosen the easy answer. Every great fighter could be lumped into this category, but which one trumps the other.
For example, Bernard Hopkins skill (in my opinion), surpasses his athletic level however no doubt he took care of his body, to an obsessive level.

It's just Jones is so unique in his style, it makes things difficult. Some people are saying this is skill. Or was he just so athletic that he got away with being so different? The fact that when he slowed down in later years a lot of his 'skill' deteriorated leads me to believe he was a athletic freak rather than a supremely skilled boxer. Others have disagreed.

Syntax Error wrote: ↑10 Sep 2019, 14:16 Athletic.

He's similar to Muhammad Ali in some ways, in that he fought his own way and it worked for him, right up until he began to decline physically.

It wasn't text book, but it worked for him.

You could not teach someone to fight like Roy Jones Jr.

lazboy wrote: ↑10 Sep 2019, 19:35

Syntax Error wrote: ↑10 Sep 2019, 14:16 Athletic.

He's similar to Muhammad Ali in some ways, in that he fought his own way and it worked for him, right up until he began to decline physically.

It wasn't text book, but it worked for him.

You could not teach someone to fight like Roy Jones Jr.

Agree.

On the other hand others have emulated Ali, look at Hughie Fury, he's Ali or maybe better.

lazboy wrote: ↑10 Sep 2019, 19:37 It was a joke.

goose 5 wrote: ↑10 Sep 2019, 19:58 In terms of skill, Jones was no Harold Johnson.

Syntax Error wrote: ↑10 Sep 2019, 14:16 Athletic.

He's similar to Muhammad Ali in some ways, in that he fought his own way and it worked for him, right up until he began to decline physically.

It wasn't text book, but it worked for him.

You could not teach someone to fight like Roy Jones Jr.

sturm vogel wrote: ↑10 Sep 2019, 23:15 I know what skills are.

What is "athletic"?

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑10 Sep 2019, 17:20

Yuzo wrote: ↑10 Sep 2019, 15:55 what is text book?

What isn’t text book is standing by the ropes, with both arms behind your back allowing your opponent to throw punches at you whilst their in punching range.

lazboy wrote: ↑11 Sep 2019, 00:01

sturm vogel wrote: ↑10 Sep 2019, 23:15 I know what skills are.

What is "athletic"?

No one else has struggled with this. Maybe you don’t know as much as you think you do,

sturm vogel wrote: ↑11 Sep 2019, 08:10

lazboy wrote: ↑11 Sep 2019, 00:01

No one else has struggled with this. Maybe you don’t know as much as you think you do,

As you know, that doesn't answer the question. But, thanks for the reply.

Since "all" seem to know what "athletic" is, what is it?

lazboy wrote: ↑11 Sep 2019, 17:49

sturm vogel wrote: ↑11 Sep 2019, 08:10

As you know, that doesn't answer the question. But, thanks for the reply.

Since "all" seem to know what "athletic" is, what is it?

You are free to apply your own understanding and argue that. For example, some people may think speed is a skill, whereas I think it’s more an athletic attribute. It could be both.

But given your recent posts I fear this is just a bid for you to cause a scene as it seems you are a bit special and in need of attention.

If you have read the posts you’ll see that people have been able to understand and examples and context have been provided. Given that I think you are a special attention boy but if I’m wrong, apologise.

lazboy wrote: ↑10 Sep 2019, 19:37 It was a joke.

tiny_acres wrote: ↑11 Sep 2019, 17:54

lazboy wrote: ↑10 Sep 2019, 19:37 It was a joke.

Thank God I thought you went insane for a moment

lazboy wrote: ↑11 Sep 2019, 17:49

sturm vogel wrote: ↑11 Sep 2019, 08:10

As you know, that doesn't answer the question. But, thanks for the reply.

Since "all" seem to know what "athletic" is, what is it?

You are free to apply your own understanding and argue that. For example, some people may think speed is a skill, whereas I think it’s more an athletic attribute. It could be both.

But given your recent posts I fear this is just a bid for you to cause a scene as it seems you are a bit special and in need of attention.

If you have read the posts you’ll see that people have been able to understand and examples and context have been provided. Given that I think you are a special attention boy but if I’m wrong, apologise.

sturm vogel wrote: ↑11 Sep 2019, 18:55

lazboy wrote: ↑11 Sep 2019, 17:49

You are free to apply your own understanding and argue that. For example, some people may think speed is a skill, whereas I think it’s more an athletic attribute. It could be both.

But given your recent posts I fear this is just a bid for you to cause a scene as it seems you are a bit special and in need of attention.

If you have read the posts you’ll see that people have been able to understand and examples and context have been provided. Given that I think you are a special attention boy but if I’m wrong, apologise.

Lazboy, you asked the question. Don't you think you could define the two words? How can a meaningful answer be put forth if we all have different definitions of what skill and athleticism are. To my understanding, that is like everyone writing different languages that many -perhaps not all- don't understand.

lazboy wrote: ↑10 Sep 2019, 04:37

DrDuke wrote: ↑10 Sep 2019, 04:33

His reflexes and speed. Both offence and defence.

See, I understand that as more athleticism.

ironbeard wrote: ↑10 Sep 2019, 21:10

Syntax Error wrote: ↑10 Sep 2019, 14:16 Athletic.

He's similar to Muhammad Ali in some ways, in that he fought his own way and it worked for him, right up until he began to decline physically.

It wasn't text book, but it worked for him.

You could not teach someone to fight like Roy Jones Jr.

Yes you could “teach someone to fight LIKE Roy Jones Jr.” They would just get sparked.

fanman wrote: ↑11 Sep 2019, 20:33

ironbeard wrote: ↑10 Sep 2019, 21:10
Yes you could “teach someone to fight LIKE Roy Jones Jr.” They would just get sparked.

true, they would.
as to the question on athleticism. its speed, stamina, natural co-ordination and power, that sort of thing.
skill is acquired technique.
since all these top guys train for years & years the 2 go hand in hand.
but its clear to see that roy had some of the greatest athletic attributes from 160-175 that have ever been seen.
and as to the post regarding peds. roy was ridiculously ripped, allegedly failed a test, and went from 160 to heavy, keeping speed and power. i suspect that All top fighters may dabble with peds, some being more obvious than others.

as to skill. roy had a speedy style so thats what he specialised in. his co-ordination, power & speed were incredible.
his style enabled him to beat more technical boxers like hopkins & toney, without taking punishment in return, in his prime.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑11 Sep 2019, 23:43 Roy did test positive for steroids for Richard Hall, a did Hall, the commissioner said Roy had 5-6x over the acceptable level. Roy claimed he tested positive because of a supplement. Few people seem to care about Roy using steroids, pick and choose the outrage I guess. He obviously was a phenomenal talent.