Cutsman 101

[Boxingcutsman]

@matt____s Yh loads of lads like that, you can even tell them, listen don’t go mad work on what we’ve been trying, they go Yh Yh Yh no problem, Ding ding, bell goes, and Fuk me all hell for leather

I’m a massive fan of the jab and everything off it, any of my lads I’ve trained and train can tell you not a session goes by where I won’t get them doing at least 4 rounds just on the jab, always mixing it up and down, light and hard and singles, double, trebles and then even getting them jabbing and left hooking off it and back to jabbing again, always mixing left hand up, very important weapon to have in the repertoire, opponent can never read it, elbow in a shoot like a arrow, mixing up power and speed, same as being able to jab and parry, jab, parry jab, and jab, parry, 1-2, not many do or believe it or not can do it, opponents don’t expect it coming back.

of my best jabbers I’ve ever worked with tbf was Chris Keane, was like a ram rod, and fast as hell, technique was fantastic, it’s what set up his great stoppage of never stopped before shane McPhilbin, tbh all the work we did with him and his jab paid off especially one fight night when he was in his British title eliminator and he totally tore his bicep from his glenoid and it rolled down his arm, horrible horrible injury, subsequently he’s never been able to fight since, it happened at beginning of 2nd round aswell, came back at end of round and he said this guy can’t hurt me, but I can outbox him with one arm plz don’t stop the fight, I agreed but said if the guy realises you ain’t throwing your right hand and you start taking punishment I’ll throw the towel in, low and behold he completed the 10 rounds comfortably with just his 1 arm and did box the head off the lad, sadly we was on away show and the away opponent and we lost by 1 point in a split decision, shame really, cuz we won by at least 4 rounds but that’s boxing but just showed the importance of having a strong lead hand and capable of mixing the power and variety and number of it up

[markinmidd]

One of best threads on here for literally years! Thanks to the professional guys for their input .

[Ilya Muromets]

I'm more concerned by the work of the ringside doctor. The fight should've been stopped, but Furys the money guy marketed almost exclusively on his lineal nonsense. If Wallin had that cut they stop the fight.

That's exactly what I've been saying on the thread on the Current board:

viewtopic.php?p=5240244#p5240244

Someone on that thread told me about this most excellent thread here on the British & Irish board where I otherwise would have never looked.

[jamesmcdonnell]

@matt____s Yh loads of lads like that, you can even tell them, listen don’t go mad work on what we’ve been trying, they go Yh Yh Yh no problem, Ding ding, bell goes, and Fuk me all hell for leather

I’m a massive fan of the jab and everything off it, any of my lads I’ve trained and train can tell you not a session goes by where I won’t get them doing at least 4 rounds just on the jab, always mixing it up and down, light and hard and singles, double, trebles and then even getting them jabbing and left hooking off it and back to jabbing again, always mixing left hand up, very important weapon to have in the repertoire, opponent can never read it, elbow in a shoot like a arrow, mixing up power and speed, same as being able to jab and parry, jab, parry jab, and jab, parry, 1-2, not many do or believe it or not can do it, opponents don’t expect it coming back.

of my best jabbers I’ve ever worked with tbf was Chris Keane, was like a ram rod, and fast as hell, technique was fantastic, it’s what set up his great stoppage of never stopped before shane McPhilbin, tbh all the work we did with him and his jab paid off especially one fight night when he was in his British title eliminator and he totally tore his bicep from his glenoid and it rolled down his arm, horrible horrible injury, subsequently he’s never been able to fight since, it happened at beginning of 2nd round aswell, came back at end of round and he said this guy can’t hurt me, but I can outbox him with one arm plz don’t stop the fight, I agreed but said if the guy realises you ain’t throwing your right hand and you start taking punishment I’ll throw the towel in, low and behold he completed the 10 rounds comfortably with just his 1 arm and did box the head off the lad, sadly we was on away show and the away opponent and we lost by 1 point in a split decision, shame really, cuz we won by at least 4 rounds but that’s boxing but just showed the importance of having a strong lead hand and capable of mixing the power and variety and number of it up

I'm rather at a loss why so many modern fighters seem to just paw with the jab, even fewer fighters double and triple the jab.

As well as scoring and softening opponents up for right hands and left hooks, it makes it hard for your opponent to mount their own offence.

[Boxingcutsman]

@matt____s Yh loads of lads like that, you can even tell them, listen don’t go mad work on what we’ve been trying, they go Yh Yh Yh no problem, Ding ding, bell goes, and Fuk me all hell for leather

I’m a massive fan of the jab and everything off it, any of my lads I’ve trained and train can tell you not a session goes by where I won’t get them doing at least 4 rounds just on the jab, always mixing it up and down, light and hard and singles, double, trebles and then even getting them jabbing and left hooking off it and back to jabbing again, always mixing left hand up, very important weapon to have in the repertoire, opponent can never read it, elbow in a shoot like a arrow, mixing up power and speed, same as being able to jab and parry, jab, parry jab, and jab, parry, 1-2, not many do or believe it or not can do it, opponents don’t expect it coming back.

of my best jabbers I’ve ever worked with tbf was Chris Keane, was like a ram rod, and fast as hell, technique was fantastic, it’s what set up his great stoppage of never stopped before shane McPhilbin, tbh all the work we did with him and his jab paid off especially one fight night when he was in his British title eliminator and he totally tore his bicep from his glenoid and it rolled down his arm, horrible horrible injury, subsequently he’s never been able to fight since, it happened at beginning of 2nd round aswell, came back at end of round and he said this guy can’t hurt me, but I can outbox him with one arm plz don’t stop the fight, I agreed but said if the guy realises you ain’t throwing your right hand and you start taking punishment I’ll throw the towel in, low and behold he completed the 10 rounds comfortably with just his 1 arm and did box the head off the lad, sadly we was on away show and the away opponent and we lost by 1 point in a split decision, shame really, cuz we won by at least 4 rounds but that’s boxing but just showed the importance of having a strong lead hand and capable of mixing the power and variety and number of it up

I'm rather at a loss why so many modern fighters seem to just paw with the jab, even fewer fighters double and triple the jab.

As well as scoring and softening opponents up for right hands and left hooks, it makes it hard for your opponent to mount their own offence.

Yh I agree mate, imo its down to their laziness or their trainers for not making it a must in the gym, or combination of both, too many trainers now popping up from no where with no real background in the sport, and it’s all about this social media self exposure, look at me look at me with these poxy, useless self
Promoting pad drills and workouts that are totally unrealistic and never work in real time with someone punching back, I can’t think of why so many don’t use it more and like I said previously I get my lads jabbing, double/treble jabbing, light heavy light, heavy, heavy, light, making you think always mixing it up and down to the body, forcing you to move your hands, making a opening, hooking off the jab etc, and jab, jab/parry, jab/parry/jab, jab/parry/1-2, like you say it’s strange why more don’t use it because opponents never see or think it’s coming back

[jamesmcdonnell]

Lomachenko is a guy who utilises it well,, varying speeds and weight of jab.

[coneye]

Lomachenko is a guy who utilises it well,, varying speeds and weight of jab.

He certainly does , and thats what i have noticed with some guys , trying to teach Lomenchenko moves to novices that have not learnt the basics . , must say though i have been impressed with the British team at the world championship[s

[jamesmcdonnell]

Lomachenko is a guy who utilises it well,, varying speeds and weight of jab.

He certainly does , and thats what i have noticed with some guys , trying to teach Lomenchenko moves to novices that have not learnt the basics . , must say though i have been impressed with the British team at the world championship[s

Combined with his footwork it makes him a nightmare must he like fighting 3 people.

[jamesmcdonnell]

I remember when I was interviewing Magri, he said that at his old amateur club, you spent weeks and weeks doing footwork drills, before you were even allowed to hit as much as a punchbag.

[Bard of Boxrec]

Fury nearly found out how expensive cutting corners can be.

Don’t cut corners - have a cutsman in your corner.

[coneye]

I remember when I was interviewing Magri, he said that at his old amateur club, you spent weeks and weeks doing footwork drills, before you were even allowed to hit as much as a punchbag.

Remember when i first went to a gym . All us kids and there were lots of us , i was 8 and i think most of the kids i knew were there ,, but i can remember the ring , and we all had to skip around the ring and watch the sparring , left to right and back again , Remember we all used to take turns , just moving forward , back and sidewards , while another kid threw a glove at your feet , you were only allowed to spin off if it hit your foot you sat out , if you jumped you sat out , if you dropped your hands you sat out ,, It was fun , we used to play it ourselves at school ,, Then the day came when you were told to glove up , and boy were you a proud kid ,, Now i watch beginners being shown Lomenchenko moves by a coachS who do'nt even know basics , LOL

[gb]

That cutman is Margarito's former trainer! Yes, that one. Did he wrap Tyson's hands as well?

[Ilya Muromets]

I'm rather at a loss why so many modern fighters seem to just paw with the jab, even fewer fighters double and triple the jab.

As well as scoring and softening opponents up for right hands and left hooks, it makes it hard for your opponent to mount their own offence.

That's the first thing I was taught in the gym is how to jab. I knew nothing about it before. I learned that one thing well and became pretty good at it. It was a handy trick. l I already knew how to hit very hard. That came naturally, or more likely it was doing pushups, my specialty, that did it (and I don't think I was able to do a single pushup when I was 11 or 12!). But I thought defense and footwork were boring subjects. Duh.

[Delta Jay]

Lomachenko is a guy who utilises it well,, varying speeds and weight of jab.

I like how he throws the double jab while he circles to his right and gets his foot outside his opponents lead foot. Sort of bounces off the first one then back in with his lead foot on the other side of his opponents.

I hate hard sparrers. When someone is inexperienced, and throwing them big kebab shop swings with their cheeks puffed out, it can be really annoying to train with them. I always find myself telling people to chill the f out.