Re: Create the Perfect Boxer
Posted: 24 Sep 2019, 13:48
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Re: Create the Perfect Boxer
Posted: 24 Sep 2019, 13:52
His power was never better than average IMO. He was defo a bigger hitter at lower weights, but people exaggerate by calling him a boxer puncher or saying he had good power. He would still usually win decisions or have to beat guys down with loads of clean connects to stop them. But since he was so accurate and sharp, he could do damage anyway despite not being a big hitter.
Re: Create the Perfect Boxer
Posted: 24 Sep 2019, 14:26
Herbie Hide's chin.
Re: Create the Perfect Boxer
Posted: 24 Sep 2019, 15:20
Re: Create the Perfect Boxer
Posted: 24 Sep 2019, 15:22
Re: Create the Perfect Boxer
Posted: 24 Sep 2019, 15:42
I've changed my mind.tiny_acres wrote: ↑24 Sep 2019, 15:20The great thing with Herbie he was either going to knock you out or get knocked out himself.
Always a fun watch
David Price's chin.
Re: Create the Perfect Boxer
Posted: 24 Sep 2019, 15:44
But never a banger
Re: Create the Perfect Boxer
Posted: 25 Sep 2019, 05:05
whatever were Herbies strengths and weaknesses........they still took him to the very top. He is the most successful sportsman to come from my boarding school.........and the least successful academically.....loltiny_acres wrote: ↑24 Sep 2019, 15:20The great thing with Herbie he was either going to knock you out or get knocked out himself.
Always a fun watch
'Old Aquilians' stick together
Re: Create the Perfect Boxer
Posted: 25 Sep 2019, 05:24
Toff.rhino222 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2019, 05:05whatever were Herbies strengths and weaknesses........they still took him to the very top. He is the most successful sportsman to come from my boarding school.........and the least successful academically.....loltiny_acres wrote: ↑24 Sep 2019, 15:20
The great thing with Herbie he was either going to knock you out or get knocked out himself.
Always a fun watch
'Old Aquilians' stick together
Re: Create the Perfect Boxer
Posted: 25 Sep 2019, 10:00
I'll take thomas hearns with haglers chin and stamina.
Re: Create the Perfect Boxer
Posted: 25 Sep 2019, 10:30
Bloody hell that would be frightening.
Re: Create the Perfect Boxer
Posted: 25 Sep 2019, 10:50
Where is defence in this list or is that too general?
Re: Create the Perfect Boxer
Posted: 25 Sep 2019, 11:00
Re: Create the Perfect Boxer
Posted: 25 Sep 2019, 11:17
You'd rate Hearns/Jackson/Haye/Wilder/whoever's right hand as better in isolation, but Trinidad's flew under the radar of his left. A bit like a jab in reverse, I just loved how he peppered with it so fluidly and pulled it straight back.
I think Tyson had the greatest left to the body in terms of pure techique. His explosive upper and lower body coordination was amazing out of a coil. Didn't throw it that much in fights, though.
Toughness could be added alongside chin for the likes of Frazier. For defence I'd vote Whitaker, although I think Locche was the best at old-manning on the backfoot. He could go 50% longer than younger guys 'cause he used half their energy.
Re: Create the Perfect Boxer
Posted: 25 Sep 2019, 11:19
Intelligent use of energy was always one of Hopkins' strong suits too.Grilling Machine wrote: ↑25 Sep 2019, 11:17You'd rate Hearns/Jackson/Haye/Wilder/whoever's right hand as better in isolation, but Trinidad's flew under the radar of his left. A bit like a jab in reverse, I just loved how he peppered with it so fluidly and pulled it straight back.
I think Tyson had the greatest left to the body in terms of pure techique. His explosive upper and lower body coordination was amazing out of a coil. Didn't throw it that much in fights, though.
Toughness could be added alongside chin for the likes of Frazier. For defence I'd vote Whitaker, although I think Locche was the best at old-manning on the backfoot. He could go 50% longer than younger guys 'cause he used half their energy.
Being confident in your defense plays a big part in that.
Re: Create the Perfect Boxer
Posted: 25 Sep 2019, 11:22
Yeah, the young Khan was superfit but unravelled with his nervous energy loss. Toney's another Hopkins on that score.
Toney didn't like UFC because he was made to work, but we know from Couture that the same thing applies with experience in it.
Toney didn't like UFC because he was made to work, but we know from Couture that the same thing applies with experience in it.
Re: Create the Perfect Boxer
Posted: 25 Sep 2019, 11:24
Being calm and poised goes a long way. You've seen a lot of fighters who were clearly in tip top shape from an athletic standpoint who had stamina issues because they wasted too much movement.
Jermain Taylor comes to mind. Pascal too.
Jermain Taylor comes to mind. Pascal too.
Re: Create the Perfect Boxer
Posted: 25 Sep 2019, 11:28
I'm still not sure if it's more mental than physical with Price. That's a helluva weight to carry around, so maybe we've been unfair on him.
Re: Create the Perfect Boxer
Posted: 25 Sep 2019, 12:25
Toney had no idea about ground workGrilling Machine wrote: ↑25 Sep 2019, 11:22 Yeah, the young Khan was superfit but unravelled with his nervous energy loss. Toney's another Hopkins on that score.
Toney didn't like UFC because he was made to work, but we know from Couture that the same thing applies with experience in it.
Re: Create the Perfect Boxer
Posted: 26 Sep 2019, 04:54
I think Wilder has broken the could of what we expect an HW to look like, just like Bolt did with sprinters.
Yes, he does lack the skill, but ascetically, he is pretty much perfect for an 'athlete' in the sport of not giving your opponent a physical edge.
He's tall & long armed, and carries no dead weight, and is loaded with fast twitch fibres. This gives him explosive speed & power, and the physical edge that will buy him the extra seconds over the attribute of 'skill'.
This is similar to how, for example, Reheem Sterling is not the most skilful footballer, but his athleticism buys him that half a seconds to make the correction. Our England team is pretty much built on athletes now.
Is Wilder a one off? Or will we see more athletes 'winging it' at the top level?
Yes, he does lack the skill, but ascetically, he is pretty much perfect for an 'athlete' in the sport of not giving your opponent a physical edge.
He's tall & long armed, and carries no dead weight, and is loaded with fast twitch fibres. This gives him explosive speed & power, and the physical edge that will buy him the extra seconds over the attribute of 'skill'.
This is similar to how, for example, Reheem Sterling is not the most skilful footballer, but his athleticism buys him that half a seconds to make the correction. Our England team is pretty much built on athletes now.
Is Wilder a one off? Or will we see more athletes 'winging it' at the top level?
Re: Create the Perfect Boxer
Posted: 26 Sep 2019, 10:06
Re: Create the Perfect Boxer
Posted: 28 Sep 2019, 10:33
What?
Re: Create the Perfect Boxer
Posted: 28 Sep 2019, 11:58
In response to Mayweather has it all. He has a good ring IQ, good defense. good straight right...I don't recall him busting out an uppercut too often.
Re: Create the Perfect Boxer
Posted: 28 Sep 2019, 12:21
Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑24 Sep 2019, 04:32 Kalle Sauerland put this up on Twitter.. wanted to know what you guys would say..
I added speed.
Create the perfect boxer
Brain: Floyd Mayweather Jr
Chin: Jake LaMotta
Power: Julian Jackson
Speed: Hector Camacho
Talk: Muhammad Ali
Body: Mike McCallum
Left Hand: Tommy Morrison
Right Hand: Thomas Hearns
Re: Create the Perfect Boxer
Posted: 28 Sep 2019, 22:41
That’s the first clip I could find on YouTube, I know that’s not concrete proof, but he used to throw a right uppercut after shoulder rolling an incoming straight right all night. It might be his best punch. I think he had a brilliant uppercut.
ED; I know that’s Moseley and he’s a southpaw in that vid. But usually he’d counter an orthodox straight right