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Onetimeonly wrote: ↑30 Sep 2019, 21:04

Bandog wrote: ↑30 Sep 2019, 18:03

When you make a much higher offer to Khan than Danny Garcia, what does that tell you? Re-signed with Arum? Maybe Bud isn't the sharpest tool in the shed.

He should DEMAND Arum get him a big fight next. Why not Thurman? Or Ugas?

Bud is getting paid. Ugas is a good fighter, but he'd get no credit for that.

No kidding, no way anyone ragging on TC now changes the tune if he beats Ugas, except for maybe an Ugas fan (of which I doubt there are many)

Couldn't beat Adrian Granados! Porter's leftovers, etc

Unless Crawford produces a home run performance he becomes easily isolated.
He just doesn't have the wins against respected opponents and is hyped through media, I like Terence but it is what it is.

Danny makes every fight boring with his tentative approach.

Spence ud

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑30 Sep 2019, 21:11

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑30 Sep 2019, 21:04

Bud is getting paid. Ugas is a good fighter, but he'd get no credit for that.

No kidding, no way anyone ragging on TC now changes the tune if he beats Ugas, except for maybe an Ugas fan (of which I doubt there are many)

Couldn't beat Adrian Granados! Porter's leftovers, etc

I'm crossing fingers Bob gets prograis in with bud next year. That dude is a bad mofo.

We won't see Spence v Crawford for another year at least now.
You see where they're going.

Evander wrote: ↑30 Sep 2019, 23:21 We won't see Spence v Crawford for another year at least now.
You see where they're going.

I don't know we'll ever see it.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑30 Sep 2019, 23:24

Evander wrote: ↑30 Sep 2019, 23:21 We won't see Spence v Crawford for another year at least now.
You see where they're going.

I don't know we'll ever see it.

Late 2020 earliest

RonnyJ wrote: ↑30 Sep 2019, 21:44 Danny makes every fight boring with his tentative approach.

Spence ud

Danny is not as good of a brawler as Porter so I dont think he can give Spence nearly as much trouble as Shawn did. Spence win s 8-9 rounds against Garcia.

Evander wrote: ↑30 Sep 2019, 20:59 Danny Garcia is a very credible boxer and always in shape I see nothing wrong with the match up.
Quite within the realms of possibility that Danny Garcia can win this fight.
No question it's a legitimate bout against a high profile fighter at 147, passes easily I like it

I agree. Garcia is still a top WW. Can still box and punch and comes to win. Spence just adding these names to his resume now..

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑01 Oct 2019, 04:41

Evander wrote: ↑30 Sep 2019, 20:59 Danny Garcia is a very credible boxer and always in shape I see nothing wrong with the match up.
Quite within the realms of possibility that Danny Garcia can win this fight.
No question it's a legitimate bout against a high profile fighter at 147, passes easily I like it

I agree. Garcia is still a top WW. Can still box and punch and comes to win. Spence just adding these names to his resume now..

I like this fight too. Garcia has very impressive hooks. Not as special as Joe Frazier but nice to watch. If he can land some on Spence, makes for an interesting match up. And yes another solid opponent faced by Spence.

Spence by close but clear decision.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑30 Sep 2019, 19:10

Bandog wrote: ↑30 Sep 2019, 18:03

When you make a much higher offer to Khan than Danny Garcia, what does that tell you? Re-signed with Arum? Maybe Bud isn't the sharpest tool in the shed.

He should DEMAND Arum get him a big fight next. Why not Thurman? Or Ugas?

He offered Garcia $3m and upside of PPV.

And Khan got $5 million. Not sure about PPV shares. The point is, when you offer less to a guy that KO'd Khan, and claim Garcia is ducking, it doesn't look good. Bud is my second favorite boxer behind Spence. I just don't think Arum has his best interests in mind, although he is getting good money for the fights he does....just not the legacy type fights he needs.

Bandog wrote: ↑01 Oct 2019, 07:53 And Khan got $5 million. Not sure about PPV shares. The point is, when you offer less to a guy that KO'd Khan, and claim Garcia is ducking, it doesn't look good. Bud is my second favorite boxer behind Spence. I just don't think Arum has his best interests in mind, although he is getting good money for the fights he does....just not the legacy type fights he needs.

But they offered Garcia before they offered Khan. Garcia;s declined the offer AND THEN, TR went to Khan..

Khan is a bigger name than Garcia.

Garcia isn't a kind of a fighter, that could be bad for Spence. Garcia is methodical and sometimes too hesitant. Spence will outbox him like he did to other Garcia. You need to make Spence fight like Porter did. Or just be more special and elusive like Crawford.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑01 Oct 2019, 09:26

Bandog wrote: ↑01 Oct 2019, 07:53 And Khan got $5 million. Not sure about PPV shares. The point is, when you offer less to a guy that KO'd Khan, and claim Garcia is ducking, it doesn't look good. Bud is my second favorite boxer behind Spence. I just don't think Arum has his best interests in mind, although he is getting good money for the fights he does....just not the legacy type fights he needs.

But they offered Garcia before they offered Khan. Garcia;s declined the offer AND THEN, TR went to Khan..

Khan is a bigger name than Garcia.

And they upped the offer to $4 million to Garcia, which was still an insult in comparison to Khan, who Garcia had out on his feet inside 3 rounds, and stopped in 4. Saying Khan is a "bigger name" is lame, and a pathetic excuse for making that ridiculous fight when a guy much better was available.

Khan sells more tickets and brings in more money then Garcia.

It is business also.

Paci wrote: ↑02 Oct 2019, 07:34 Khan sells more tickets and brings in more money then Garcia.

It is business also.

Plus $3-4m would have been Garcia's highest purse anyway.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑02 Oct 2019, 07:42

Paci wrote: ↑02 Oct 2019, 07:34 Khan sells more tickets and brings in more money then Garcia.

It is business also.

Plus $3-4m would have been Garcia's highest purse anyway.

I would have fought Crawford for that type of money. At least I have sweet dreams in my hospital bed after he has whooped my ass into the next millennium.

Maybe Spence should fight Khan next then instead of Danny Garcia?
It's a "business" right?

How much should Danny Garcia get paid , husk?? If he was offered $2.5m and Khan was offered $1m, then is it a fairer offer ?

At the end of the day, you get paid in dollars and not percents. If all else equal you're offered $1m of a $1.5m pot or $2m of a $20m pot, it's pretty clear which is making a bigger difference in your bank whether the other guy deserves more or not. It's the same thing here and with other cases of guys basing the payday's worth not on the actual dollars, but on what it is compared to some other guy.

Not that Garcia,doesn't have other options, but $4m is not some awful 'we obviously don't want it' offer worth scoffing at.

65/35 or70/30 something like that

Wednesday morning at the WBC’s 57th annual convention at the Grand Oasis Cancun was devoted mainly to ratings.

The afternoon assembly meeting was devoted to mandatory defenses.

Welterweight: Errol Spence Jr. (U.S.A.)
WBC-IBF champion Spence will first make his WBC mandatory defense against WBC No. 1 ranked Silver champion Danny Garcia of the U.S.A., and make his mandatory IBF defense next.

PPV has been agreed for November.

Waaayy too many PPV’s..

Errol Spence, Danny Garcia agree to fight in fall, source says

Unified welterweight champion Errol Spence Jr. and former junior welterweight and welterweight titlist Danny Garcia have agreed to meet in a fall pay-per-view event, a source confirmed to ESPN.

The fight -- which needs a negotiation of final contract numbers -- is expected to take place in November at the Microsoft Theater in Los Angeles, the source said. However, Premier Boxing Champions, which promotes both fighters, has put holds on other venues around the country as it monitors the coronavirus pandemic and the guidelines in place for each state.

The Athletic first reported the agreement.

Spence (26-0, 21 KOs), 30, defeated Shawn Porter by 12-round split decision on Sept. 28 in a tough fight at Staples Center in Los Angeles. Spence, who came into the bout as the IBF titlist, earned the WBC belt with the win. He was involved in a horrific one-car accident a few weeks later near Dallas, Texas, and suffered serious injuries, including facial lacerations and a broken jaw.

Before the accident, there was talk of Spence facing Garcia in late January 2020.

Garcia (36-2, 21 KOs), 32, was a unified champion at junior welterweight and a world titlist at welterweight. In his most recent fight in January, Garcia outpointed Ivan Redkach over 12 rounds.

Spence is ranked No. 1 at welterweight in ESPN's divisional rankings, and Garcia is No. 6. Manny Pacquiao (WBA) and Terence Crawford (WBO) are the other titleholders in the division.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑29 Jul 2020, 03:02 PPV has been agreed for November.

Waaayy too many PPV’s..

I agree. This however is the best fight since Wilder Fury 2 imo but I don’t think it’s special enough to be ppv ordinarily but given the times...