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Re: Eusebio Pedroza: Where Do You Rank Him in the All-Time Featherweight Rankings?
Posted: 04 Nov 2019, 17:49
by elmersalsa
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑04 Nov 2019, 16:33
Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑04 Nov 2019, 16:32
If you can't trust Don King, who can you trust?
Agreed. Case closed!
Well, Don King was Salvador Sanchez' promoter, not Eusebio Pedroza's. Why would Pedroza lie about that? It was obvious that Sanchez wanted to fight the great Alexis Arguello for Arguello's WBC World Lightweight Crown.
Did he see that Arguello was lesser risk and higher reward of dollars? By 1982, Arguello was fading.
Pedroza in the other hand, was much more skillful and in his complete prime. He was higher risk and lesser reward of dollars.
Did you see the point?
Re: Eusebio Pedroza: Where Do You Rank Him in the All-Time Featherweight Rankings?
Posted: 04 Nov 2019, 17:56
by oogiebe
elmersalsa wrote: ↑04 Nov 2019, 17:49
Well, Don King was Salvador Sanchez' promoter, not Eusebio Pedroza's. Why would Pedroza lie about that? It was obvious that Sanchez wanted to fight the great Alexis Arguello for Arguello's WBC World Lightweight Crown.
Did he see that Arguello was lesser risk and higher reward of dollars? By 1982, Arguello was fading.
Pedroza in the other hand, was much more skillful and in his complete prime. He was higher risk and lesser reward of dollars.
Did you see the point?
Ok, ok, ok...are you related to Pedroza? I ask that because I can't figure out if you are taking the piss or not.
Re: Eusebio Pedroza: Where Do You Rank Him in the All-Time Featherweight Rankings?
Posted: 04 Nov 2019, 17:56
by Onetimeonly
elmersalsa wrote: ↑04 Nov 2019, 17:49
Well, Don King was Salvador Sanchez' promoter, not Eusebio Pedroza's. Why would Pedroza lie about that? It was obvious that Sanchez wanted to fight the great Alexis Arguello for Arguello's WBC World Lightweight Crown.
Did he see that Arguello was lesser risk and higher reward of dollars? By 1982, Arguello was fading.
Pedroza in the other hand, was much more skillful and in his complete prime. He was higher risk and lesser reward of dollars.
Did you see the point?
You don't have a point. For the last time none of them were unifying, the wba and wbc wouldn't do business. That's the point you should see, oh well at least you're good for an occasional laugh.
Re: Eusebio Pedroza: Where Do You Rank Him in the All-Time Featherweight Rankings?
Posted: 04 Nov 2019, 20:47
by oogiebe
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑04 Nov 2019, 17:56
elmersalsa wrote: ↑04 Nov 2019, 17:49
Well, Don King was Salvador Sanchez' promoter, not Eusebio Pedroza's. Why would Pedroza lie about that? It was obvious that Sanchez wanted to fight the great Alexis Arguello for Arguello's WBC World Lightweight Crown.
Did he see that Arguello was lesser risk and higher reward of dollars? By 1982, Arguello was fading.
Pedroza in the other hand, was much more skillful and in his complete prime. He was higher risk and lesser reward of dollars.
Did you see the point?
You don't have a point. For the last time none of them were unifying, the wba and wbc wouldn't do business. That's the point you should see, oh well at least you're good for an occasional laugh.
This stopped being funny about 15 posts ago.
Re: Eusebio Pedroza: Where Do You Rank Him in the All-Time Featherweight Rankings?
Posted: 05 Nov 2019, 08:51
by elmersalsa
oogiebe wrote: ↑04 Nov 2019, 17:56
elmersalsa wrote: ↑04 Nov 2019, 17:49
Well, Don King was Salvador Sanchez' promoter, not Eusebio Pedroza's. Why would Pedroza lie about that? It was obvious that Sanchez wanted to fight the great Alexis Arguello for Arguello's WBC World Lightweight Crown.
Did he see that Arguello was lesser risk and higher reward of dollars? By 1982, Arguello was fading.
Pedroza in the other hand, was much more skillful and in his complete prime. He was higher risk and lesser reward of dollars.
Did you see the point?
Ok, ok, ok...are you related to Pedroza? I ask that because I can't figure out if you are taking the piss or not.
No, I am not related to him. What his statement got to do with me? That's how he saw it at the time.
Re: Eusebio Pedroza: Where Do You Rank Him in the All-Time Featherweight Rankings?
Posted: 05 Nov 2019, 08:53
by elmersalsa
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑04 Nov 2019, 17:56
elmersalsa wrote: ↑04 Nov 2019, 17:49
Well, Don King was Salvador Sanchez' promoter, not Eusebio Pedroza's. Why would Pedroza lie about that? It was obvious that Sanchez wanted to fight the great Alexis Arguello for Arguello's WBC World Lightweight Crown.
Did he see that Arguello was lesser risk and higher reward of dollars? By 1982, Arguello was fading.
Pedroza in the other hand, was much more skillful and in his complete prime. He was higher risk and lesser reward of dollars.
Did you see the point?
You don't have a point. For the last time none of them were unifying, the wba and wbc wouldn't do business. That's the point you should see, oh well at least you're good for an occasional laugh.
Leonard vs Hearns was great business. Sanchez vs Pedroza was a matchmaker dream.
Re: Eusebio Pedroza: Where Do You Rank Him in the All-Time Featherweight Rankings?
Posted: 05 Nov 2019, 09:09
by Onetimeonly
elmersalsa wrote: ↑05 Nov 2019, 08:53
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑04 Nov 2019, 17:56
You don't have a point. For the last time none of them were unifying, the wba and wbc wouldn't do business. That's the point you should see, oh well at least you're good for an occasional laugh.
Leonard vs Hearns was great business. Sanchez vs Pedroza was a matchmaker dream.
Re: Eusebio Pedroza: Where Do You Rank Him in the All-Time Featherweight Rankings?
Posted: 05 Nov 2019, 15:04
by oogiebe
elmersalsa wrote: ↑05 Nov 2019, 08:51
oogiebe wrote: ↑04 Nov 2019, 17:56
Ok, ok, ok...are you related to Pedroza? I ask that because I can't figure out if you are taking the piss or not.
No, I am not related to him. What his statement got to do with me? That's how he saw it at the time.
Not just that statement. I find it a bit wierd to see all this hoopla about Pedroza who is probably no better than 25th on the all time FW list.
Re: Eusebio Pedroza: Where Do You Rank Him in the All-Time Featherweight Rankings?
Posted: 05 Nov 2019, 15:25
by elmersalsa
oogiebe wrote: ↑05 Nov 2019, 15:04
elmersalsa wrote: ↑05 Nov 2019, 08:51
No, I am not related to him. What his statement got to do with me? That's how he saw it at the time.
Not just that statement. I find it a bit wierd to see all this hoopla about Pedroza who is probably no better than 25th on the all time FW list.
A man that made 20 title defenses cannot come up in your view no better than 25. Unless he fought pure tomato cans.
Re: Eusebio Pedroza: Where Do You Rank Him in the All-Time Featherweight Rankings?
Posted: 05 Nov 2019, 15:27
by oogiebe
elmersalsa wrote: ↑05 Nov 2019, 15:25
oogiebe wrote: ↑05 Nov 2019, 15:04
Not just that statement. I find it a bit wierd to see all this hoopla about Pedroza who is probably no better than 25th on the all time FW list.
A man that made 20 title defenses cannot come up in your view no better than 25. Unless he fought pure tomato cans.
It doesn't take away from his accomplishments. Just that he isn't near the top of the all time rankings. Why does it mean so much to you anyway?
Re: Eusebio Pedroza: Where Do You Rank Him in the All-Time Featherweight Rankings?
Posted: 05 Nov 2019, 15:35
by margaret thatcher
Well we all got our faves we discuss, like Efe Ajagba for instance
Re: Eusebio Pedroza: Where Do You Rank Him in the All-Time Featherweight Rankings?
Posted: 05 Nov 2019, 15:46
by oogiebe
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑05 Nov 2019, 15:35
Well we all got our faves we discuss, like Efe Ajagba for instance
yes...exactly like that.
Re: Eusebio Pedroza: Where Do You Rank Him in the All-Time Featherweight Rankings?
Posted: 05 Nov 2019, 15:48
by margaret thatcher
Re: Eusebio Pedroza: Where Do You Rank Him in the All-Time Featherweight Rankings?
Posted: 05 Nov 2019, 16:22
by Onetimeonly
Pedroza was a favorite of mine, Elmer is still nuts. Inventing bias he didn't face, most complete fighter ever, Sanchez feared him, etc...
Re: Eusebio Pedroza: Where Do You Rank Him in the All-Time Featherweight Rankings?
Posted: 05 Nov 2019, 21:02
by elmersalsa
oogiebe wrote: ↑05 Nov 2019, 15:27
elmersalsa wrote: ↑05 Nov 2019, 15:25
A man that made 20 title defenses cannot come up in your view no better than 25. Unless he fought pure tomato cans.
It doesn't take away from his accomplishments. Just that he isn't near the top of the all time rankings. Why does it mean so much to you anyway?
The man was an incredible and exceptional fighter. The most COMPLETE fighter that I have ever seen in my lifetime. The only reason that I don't rate him higher in the pound per pound all time greats ratings is because he didn't had a fight with the elite champions like Salvador Sanchez, Azumah Nelson, Wilfredo Gomez and Danny Lopez. Plus, after his lengthy Featherweight reign, he didn't come back nor went up to make a mark in other weight classes.
Re: Eusebio Pedroza: Where Do You Rank Him in the All-Time Featherweight Rankings?
Posted: 07 Nov 2019, 04:00
by AntonioMartin
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑04 Nov 2019, 17:56
elmersalsa wrote: ↑04 Nov 2019, 17:49
You don't have a point. For the last time none of them were unifying, the wba and wbc wouldn't do business. That's the point you should see, oh well at least you're good for an occasional laugh.
You are
mostly right...Leonard and Hearns did unify in 1981 and Spinks and Qawi did in 1983...but it was rare to see unification bouts (which made the ones that were made almost larger than life events)
Re: Eusebio Pedroza: Where Do You Rank Him in the All-Time Featherweight Rankings?
Posted: 07 Nov 2019, 09:31
by Onetimeonly
AntonioMartin wrote: ↑07 Nov 2019, 04:00
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑04 Nov 2019, 17:56
You are
mostly right...Leonard and Hearns did unify in 1981 and Spinks and Qawi did in 1983...but it was rare to see unification bouts (which made the ones that were made almost larger than life events)
It was between them, by 83 sal was dead. Leonard/hearns was the biggest money fight in the sport. That tends to mend fences. Palomino/cuevas not so much.
Re: Eusebio Pedroza: Where Do You Rank Him in the All-Time Featherweight Rankings?
Posted: 07 Nov 2019, 12:08
by Ambling Alp II
elmersalsa wrote: ↑04 Nov 2019, 17:49
Well, Don King was Salvador Sanchez' promoter, not Eusebio Pedroza's. Why would Pedroza lie about that? It was obvious that Sanchez wanted to fight the great Alexis Arguello for Arguello's WBC World Lightweight Crown.
Did he see that Arguello was lesser risk and higher reward of dollars? By 1982, Arguello was fading.
Pedroza in the other hand, was much more skillful and in his complete prime. He was higher risk and lesser reward of dollars.
Did you see the point?
Well King could have lied to Pedroza for any number of reasons. Who knows.
Why might Pedroza lie? Well it makes him look better of the other guy didn't want to fight him.
See the point?
Re: Eusebio Pedroza: Where Do You Rank Him in the All-Time Featherweight Rankings?
Posted: 07 Nov 2019, 15:32
by elmersalsa
Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑07 Nov 2019, 12:08
elmersalsa wrote: ↑04 Nov 2019, 17:49
Well, Don King was Salvador Sanchez' promoter, not Eusebio Pedroza's. Why would Pedroza lie about that? It was obvious that Sanchez wanted to fight the great Alexis Arguello for Arguello's WBC World Lightweight Crown.
Did he see that Arguello was lesser risk and higher reward of dollars? By 1982, Arguello was fading.
Pedroza in the other hand, was much more skillful and in his complete prime. He was higher risk and lesser reward of dollars.
Did you see the point?
Well King could have lied to Pedroza for any number of reasons. Who knows.
Why might Pedroza lie? Well it makes him look better of the other guy didn't want to fight him.
See the point?
Pedroza wasn't that kind of individual. Saying those things doesn't exactly makes him look good. That's his version and people should respect that. See the point?
Re: Eusebio Pedroza: Where Do You Rank Him in the All-Time Featherweight Rankings?
Posted: 07 Nov 2019, 16:20
by Onetimeonly
His version? Lmao, Sanchez can't exactly give his, can he? You're pathetic
Re: Eusebio Pedroza: Where Do You Rank Him in the All-Time Featherweight Rankings?
Posted: 07 Nov 2019, 16:21
by oogiebe
Actually, this whole thread is pointless.
Re: Eusebio Pedroza: Where Do You Rank Him in the All-Time Featherweight Rankings?
Posted: 07 Nov 2019, 17:18
by Onetimeonly
oogiebe wrote: ↑07 Nov 2019, 16:21
Actually, this whole thread is pointless.
Considering its regurgitating the same shit from the fighter a month top 100.
Re: Eusebio Pedroza: Where Do You Rank Him in the All-Time Featherweight Rankings?
Posted: 07 Nov 2019, 17:26
by oogiebe
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑07 Nov 2019, 17:18
oogiebe wrote: ↑07 Nov 2019, 16:21
Actually, this whole thread is pointless.
Considering its regurgitating the same poo from the fighter a month top 100.
Cut and paste makes for easier trolling.
Re: Eusebio Pedroza: Where Do You Rank Him in the All-Time Featherweight Rankings?
Posted: 07 Nov 2019, 17:39
by elmersalsa
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑07 Nov 2019, 16:20
His version? Lmao, Sanchez can't exactly give his, can he? You're pathetic
Everybody got the right to tell his version of the story. It doesn't make it seem wrong or right.
And anybody can do what you're doing, typing as an internet warrior.
Re: Eusebio Pedroza: Where Do You Rank Him in the All-Time Featherweight Rankings?
Posted: 07 Nov 2019, 17:45
by oogiebe
elmersalsa wrote: ↑07 Nov 2019, 17:39
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑07 Nov 2019, 16:20
His version? Lmao, Sanchez can't exactly give his, can he? You're pathetic
Everybody got the right to tell his version of the story. It doesn't make it seem wrong or right.
And anybody can do what you're doing, typing as an internet warrior.
Exactly right. Read your own words, son.
