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Posted: 20 Sep 2005, 21:27
by tiredoldngrey
It would have been interesting indeed to see how far Sanchez would have gone; would he still be rated so highly or would he have been another Raul Perez, pegged for the stars but falling well short? It is a lot to compare a fighter to Chavez- he accomplished so much.
As to a fight between the two, at 130 I assume, I'm not so sure that one can so reliably say that his boxing skills were superior to those of Chavez. That is particularly true at 130 where Chavez fought much differently than he is typically remembered for. Castillo, I belive, fought both men and he picked Chavez. I would too. But I really loved Little Red Lopez...

Posted: 20 Sep 2005, 22:14
by theone
its always popular to say that the dead guy was better when pitted against someone still living. i watched both these fighters at that weight and believe Chavez would have edge him out in a close decision. If Sanchez was a better boxer it was only sightly. chavez had a tad more power, a better chin and even stamina. chavez body attack and aggression would have accomplished what an inexperianced Azumah Nelson almost did. But like I said it would have been very close.

Posted: 21 Sep 2005, 05:48
by silkov
Sanchez was very weight weakend for the Nelson fight. He told his corner after the 5th that he felt very weak. He was planning to move straight up to Lightweight to fight Arguello.
I think Stylewise Chavez was made for Sanchez... Salvadore would have outboxed him and gone toe to toe when he needed to.
Sometimes peoples gifts can be accentuated when they die early but people were raving about Sanchezs abilities long before his death... he was already recognised as a great champion which is one of the reasons why his death hit the boxing world so hard....

Posted: 21 Sep 2005, 13:58
by vagabundo55
Very true. He was already being recognized as the greatest fighter to ever come out of Mexico when he was still alive. And there were many great Mexican boxers at the moment. If Sanchez hadn't passed away, Chavez would definetely not be as famous as he is. Of course Chavez is a great warrior, but Sanchez... he made boxing look beautiful and effortless. It was just all so perfect, he was the complete fighter. He could brawl, counterpunch, box, and he did it all so well. We have to remember he was only 23 at the time of his tragic death. Already at such a young age he had proven to be great. I don't think he had even reached his prime yet. Unfortunately, we never got to see the best of Sanchez, however what we did see, was a glimpse of what he could have done. And saying that, I feel he would have won against Chavez.

Posted: 21 Sep 2005, 15:09
by Nile4000
I would hate to see Salvador run into Edwin Rosario.Edwiin would hurt him.

Posted: 21 Sep 2005, 16:09
by silkov
vagabundo55 wrote:Very true. He was already being recognized as the greatest fighter to ever come out of Mexico when he was still alive. And there were many great Mexican boxers at the moment. If Sanchez hadn't passed away, Chavez would definetely not be as famous as he is. Of course Chavez is a great warrior, but Sanchez... he made boxing look beautiful and effortless. It was just all so perfect, he was the complete fighter. He could brawl, counterpunch, box, and he did it all so well. We have to remember he was only 23 at the time of his tragic death. Already at such a young age he had proven to be great. I don't think he had even reached his prime yet. Unfortunately, we never got to see the best of Sanchez, however what we did see, was a glimpse of what he could have done. And saying that, I feel he would have won against Chavez.
Yes that was the thing about Salvadore he was a great all round fighter a complete fighter. I always got the impression watching him that he had something in reserve if he needed it. He had so many different facets to his ability that he could pick and choose what to use and when.
His performance against Gomez must be one of the most awesome performances I've seen from a boxer against such a dangerous opponent.
I think he'd definately beat Chavez, he was a far batter all round boxer than Julio but he also would have been able to hold his own slugging with Chavez as well.

Posted: 21 Sep 2005, 17:37
by vagabundo55
Nile4000 wrote:I would hate to see Salvador run into Edwin Rosario.Edwiin would hurt him.
I highly doubt it. Although Rosario fought at a higher weight than Sanchez, I'd say Sanchez beats him fairly easily. Sanchez could brawl with the best of them, but I don't expect he'd brawl with Chavez. I feel he would have counterpunched and outboxed Chavez. One thing Sanchez could do was adapt to different fighting styles. He could change his gameplan from one round to another. And when the fight became more competitive, he'd step up and defeat his opponents.

Posted: 21 Sep 2005, 22:57
by theone
I think you guys are overratting Sanchez just a tad. Chavez was not taylor made for no one in his prime, he was bigger, stronger, a better body puncher and had a better chin than Sanchez. It would be a good fight but i think Chavez takes it. To say it would be easy for either fighter is silly.

Posted: 21 Sep 2005, 23:01
by Rory McCloskey
I agree with theone ... chavez was an absolute beast and sanchez was a great fighter in his own right, but just wouldnt be able to last with chavez

Posted: 21 Sep 2005, 23:34
by Collins2000
Bullshit, Rory.

Have you even seen Sanchez in action?

There is nothing to suggest that Chavez would be able to stop him that I have seen.

Posted: 21 Sep 2005, 23:54
by Rory McCloskey
look collins im not saying that sanchez was a bad fighter? im not saying he was a bum... sanchez died when he was wat 24? 23? sure he had alot of success but its hard to match him up to someone who absoltley dominated like chavez... chavez has hurt his record because he still continous to fight. he held titles in 5...count that 5 different divisions, and he had still not lost!.. chavez started out with a 81-0 record? or a 80-0 record.. somewher in the early 80's... that is unheard of... IMO the 2 losses to de la hoya are differnt then the frankie randall loss.. first of all the frankie randall was immediately avenged, and randall proved that it was just a major upset... the 2 de la hoya fights were differnent... chavez had become older and he was 15/16 years into his boxing career?.. and he was fighte a young fresh HOF fighter in de la hoya... IMO i would take chavez, who is clearly one of the greatest boxers of all time over a guy who only fought until he was 23... sure he looked good at the time but theres so much that salvadore missed.

Posted: 22 Sep 2005, 00:23
by Collins2000
Have you actually seen any Sanchez fights?

Posted: 22 Sep 2005, 00:25
by Rory McCloskey
ive seen enough chavez fights to know the quality of fighter he was.. i havent seen and salvador fights but imo he doesnt have the track record to be compaired to jcc

Posted: 22 Sep 2005, 02:42
by jyuza
I just saw Sanchez/Gomez fight.
Gomez was undefeated and got something like 32 bout for 32 wins (all by KOs...). I'm amazed to see Sanchez taking punches without showing any sign of pain and still responding by 2 or 3 hits.
So Sanchez against Chavez ? i think it would have been a decision since neither of them would have leave any space to the other.
But at only 23, Sanchez made something incredible.
Definitely my favortie fighter.

Posted: 22 Sep 2005, 02:44
by vagabundo55
theone wrote:I think you guys are overratting Sanchez just a tad. Chavez was not taylor made for no one in his prime, he was bigger, stronger, a better body puncher and had a better chin than Sanchez. It would be a good fight but i think Chavez takes it. To say it would be easy for either fighter is silly.
Funny thing, I think you're underrating Sanchez a bit. :TU: As for Rory, as much as I enjoy you're sense of humor, you admitted you don't know much about Sanchez so you're argument is well, ultimately unfounded. This is one of those things we'll wonder forever. How great Sanchez could have been? Those who were lucky enough to see him in action realize he had potential to be one of the greats. And in his 23 years he did enough to cement his greatness. But how great was he? We don't know. We just know that he was great. By many he is realized as a top 5 all time featherweight. In 23 years of life, he did that. That in itself is a great accomplishment, in my opinion, he might have made top 10 lightweights of all time as well. We will never know, but as a Mexican, I feel that Sanchez was greater than even the well-known Chavez. As I've said, Chavez is great in his own right, but Sanchez, he would have been one of the greatest. A champion among champions. We can argue this back and forth together... or we could agree to disagree. :wink:

Posted: 22 Sep 2005, 06:31
by theone
Funny thing, I think you're underrating Sanchez a bit.
Because im picking chavez to win a close decision? How is that underrating him? Ive seen Sanchez fight and I can tell you despite how good was there there was nothing to suggest that chavez wouldnt even be competetive with him. With Chavez there is no woulda coulda shoulda, we know how great he was, one of the 20 greatest fighters of all time. Although I disagree with someone saying sanchez would have won, Sanchez was good enough for the opinion to be respected. But no contest on either side is not.

Posted: 22 Sep 2005, 06:37
by silkov
Rory McCloskey wrote:ive seen enough chavez fights to know the quality of fighter he was.. i havent seen and salvador fights but imo he doesnt have the track record to be compaired to jcc
I'm not having a go at you Rory but how can you seriously pick Chavez against Sanchez when you havent seen any of Sanchezs fights?.
For one thing Sanchez was very fast, skillful, he also had good power in both hands and an absolute rock for a chin. Chavez would never have stopped Sanchez. I think Sanchez would actually have a easier fight with Chavez than he had with Nelson.
And remember the often weight drained Salvadore would be stronger at 130 to fight Chavez... I can actually see him cutting up Chavez and stopping him.


I reccomend you get some Sanchez fights Rory, you don't know what you're missing!.

Posted: 22 Sep 2005, 06:51
by dalek
i've seen sanchez against nelson and cowdell,both who gave him good arguments.i'd love to see the gomez fight.i think in the fights i saw he was having legendary battles to make 126.
how anyone can predict an easy win for either is beyond me.at 130 i'm gonna slightly favour chavez by possibly split decision.if you want to turn that round the other way again no complaints from me. :wink:

Posted: 22 Sep 2005, 12:19
by Nile4000
vagabundo55 wrote:
Nile4000 wrote:I would hate to see Salvador run into Edwin Rosario.Edwiin would hurt him.
I highly doubt it. Although Rosario fought at a higher weight than Sanchez, I'd say Sanchez beats him fairly easily. Sanchez could brawl with the best of them, but I don't expect he'd brawl with Chavez. I feel he would have counterpunched and outboxed Chavez. One thing Sanchez could do was adapt to different fighting styles. He could change his gameplan from one round to another. And when the fight became more competitive, he'd step up and defeat his opponents.
Rosario could couterpunch and brawl somewhat.Sanchez would know he was in a battle and Edwin would probably drop him along the way.Too much talent for him to lose to Sanchez unless he's not in the right frame of mind.