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squiggy wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 01:37

tiny_acres wrote: ↑24 Nov 2019, 15:12

I agree. I can see a draw. Too many rounds with nothing really landing from either fighter.
People act like Fury out landed him 10-1.
But really neither were connecting much

People let the excitement of Wilder's KO potential blind them to how little he accomplishes when he can't land that bomb. I think if you could watch him for the first time without knowing his reputation, you'd be real hard pressed to score rounds for him.
Now granted, when he lands the bomb it's awesome, and granted, Fury's style is often unexciting. He isn't going to outland him 10 to 1. He doesnt throw enough to do that. But nobody said he was beating the daylights out of him. Rounds don't have to be dominant to be clear.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 03:25

squiggy wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 01:37

People let the excitement of Wilder's KO potential blind them to how little he accomplishes when he can't land that bomb. I think if you could watch him for the first time without knowing his reputation, you'd be real hard pressed to score rounds for him.
Now granted, when he lands the bomb it's awesome, and granted, Fury's style is often unexciting. He isn't going to outland him 10 to 1. He doesnt throw enough to do that. But nobody said he was beating the daylights out of him. Rounds don't have to be dominant to be clear.

Even more people over emphasize a masterclass by fury when he lands 4 jabs in a round. That doesn't mean he can't win a round but it's absurd to call him robbed if a judge thinks one significant punch may have landed to outweigh it.

tiny_acres wrote: ↑24 Nov 2019, 15:12

gilgamesh wrote: ↑24 Nov 2019, 15:10

Yeah I remembered thinking the draw was perfectly reasonable when it was announced.

I agree. I can see a draw. Too many rounds with nothing really landing from either fighter.
People act like Fury out landed him 10-1.
But really neither were connecting much

Finkel wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 04:14

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 03:25

Even more people over emphasize a masterclass by fury when he lands 4 jabs in a round. That doesn't mean he can't win a round but it's absurd to call him robbed if a judge thinks one significant punch may have landed to outweigh it.

4 jabs in a round, behave yourself. Strawmanning again I see. Don't forget the hooks, straights and uppercuts. Defence and Ring Generalship.

https://boxstat.co/bout/2906139/deontay ... tyson-fury

Fury threw more combinations than Wilder.
Landed more than wilder across Jabs, Hooks, Straights and Uppercuts. And outlanded him round after round. Wilder landed more power shots in two rounds (9 and 12)

Not to mention Fury being the one with better control of pace and distance. And having the far superior defence (check out how many wilder threw and missed)

And quite frankly if a judge is ignoring all other factors that could cause a fighter to win a round then that judge is a clown

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 08:49

Finkel wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 04:14

4 jabs in a round, behave yourself. Strawmanning again I see. Don't forget the hooks, straights and uppercuts. Defence and Ring Generalship.

https://boxstat.co/bout/2906139/deontay ... tyson-fury

Fury threw more combinations than Wilder.
Landed more than wilder across Jabs, Hooks, Straights and Uppercuts. And outlanded him round after round. Wilder landed more power shots in two rounds (9 and 12)

Not to mention Fury being the one with better control of pace and distance. And having the far superior defence (check out how many wilder threw and missed)

And quite frankly if a judge is ignoring all other factors that could cause a fighter to win a round then that judge is a clown

Aside from the 10th Rd and the knockdowns fury did a bit better at doing nothing. It was a shitty fight.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑24 Nov 2019, 03:35 Here's the thing, I know Fury may have been coming back and stuff, but was he really the one who didn't box to his best? I mean Wilder seemed totally sh!t and still got a draw, I just feel that he could manage a little bit better more so than Fury. Fury despite the layoff seemed on , and Wilder has that power with him still

Bandog wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 08:36 Wilder is certainly beatable, and would have lost to Ortiz if it did go 12. If he doesn't catch Fury with a big shot, Fury will most likely win in an ugly, little action fight filled with Fury's feints and slaps.

Why Wilder doesn't attack Fury's body with some big shots is beyond me. He has shown he has a good chin, so it wouldn't be like he is putting himself in a lot of danger from counters. There is no way he could miss Fury's body. It would help set up the big shot or shots later after bruising up his body. If Wilder doesn't attack his body much more than he did the first fight, he deserves to lose.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑24 Nov 2019, 14:27 First fight was as fair a draw as you'll ever see.

tiny_acres wrote: ↑24 Nov 2019, 15:12

gilgamesh wrote: ↑24 Nov 2019, 15:10

Yeah I remembered thinking the draw was perfectly reasonable when it was announced.

I agree. I can see a draw. Too many rounds with nothing really landing from either fighter.
People act like Fury out landed him 10-1.
But really neither were connecting much

gilgamesh wrote: ↑24 Nov 2019, 15:17
Yeah to me the first 4 rounds were all of the "Could go either way" variety pretty much. Fury won every round he didn't get dropped in after from Round 5 onward, but the early rounds being what they were, and then him getting dropped twice. Yeah, you got a draw.

Bandog wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 08:42
True. I think Fury averaged landing slightly over one punch per round more than Wilder. People will tune in though, in hopes of seeing a devastating KO by Wilder, or Fury winning ugly, and shutting Wilder up. I'm not convinced Fury wants the rematch though. I'll believe it when he gets in the ring. He could make lots of money in a safer way in fake pro wrestling.

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 09:35

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑24 Nov 2019, 14:27 First fight was as fair a draw as you'll ever see.

If you're blind, concussed, never watch boxing before and disagree with literally every boxing expert

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 11:02

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 09:35

If you're blind, concussed, never watch boxing before and disagree with literally every boxing expert

Well, you're certainly a beacon of objectivity.

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 11:58

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 11:02

Well, you're certainly a beacon of objectivity.

Yep. Absolutely. Fury's not particularly my cuppa tea and he's not my favourite person in the world and is a bit of a prick sometimes but he won that fight so conclusively it can only really be questioned by morons

oogiebe wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 15:12 You, on the other hand , must score points for silly antics like sticking out one's tongue and waving one's arms up in the air.

oogiebe wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 15:12

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 11:58

Yep. Absolutely. Fury's not particularly my cuppa tea and he's not my favourite person in the world and is a bit of a prick sometimes but he won that fight so conclusively it can only really be questioned by morons

Guess I'm a moron! You, on the other hand , must score points for silly antics like sticking out one's tongue and waving one's arms up in the air.

Finkel wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 17:43

oogiebe wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 15:12
Guess I'm a moron! You, on the other hand , must score points for silly antics like sticking out one's tongue and waving one's arms up in the air.

Didn't you say you thought Fury won the fight previously. Only that you didn't like his antics..

I'm paraphrasing but pretty sure of it, as you addressed me directly when I was arguing the toss with ironbeard about Rochin's card being crooked

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 18:15 You watched that sh!t again ? Dudes putting themselves through torture