Fighter Of The Year

BubiScholz · Post by **BubiScholz** » 20 Dec 2004, 14:24

glittermonkey wrote:You're right Bubi, there is little point arguing with you on this one. If you seriously think that Ottke is the best fighter to grace the super-middle division then you are mad, and there can be no hope for you.

if you regard his style you are right. regarding the naked facts he is of course one of the best.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 20 Dec 2004, 14:34

Some people have Johnson a win over ottke.

He definitely had gifts against Brewer, Reid and Larsen.

BubiScholz · Post by **BubiScholz** » 20 Dec 2004, 14:54

Freiheit wrote:I have seen all of Ottkes tiltle fights and I have only had him as the loser in one fight

experts who are not british or american have another neutral and realistic sight on boxers who are no "bombers or blind punchers". Ottke was boxing for the rules and the scorecards, not for the english or american public.

neil r · Post by **neil r** » 20 Dec 2004, 15:02

BubiScholz wrote:Ottke was boxing for the rules and the scorecards, not for the english or american public.

i think id rather see boxers trying to win through out boxing their opponents using boxing ability and superior pugilistic skills. as opposed to one just boxing to work the scorecards

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 20 Dec 2004, 15:05

BubiScholz wrote:
Freiheit wrote:I have seen all of Ottkes tiltle fights and I have only had him as the loser in one fight
experts who are not british or american have another neutral and realistic sight on boxers who are no "bombers or blind punchers". Ottke was boxing for the rules and the scorecards, not for the english or american public.

And you're opinion is neutral? Hardly.

Bard of Boxrec · Post by **Bard of Boxrec** » 20 Dec 2004, 15:32

BubiScholz wrote:
lirva33 wrote:Bubi, do you think Ottke would''ve beaten Calzaghe and why didn't they ever fight?
what i have heard is that Warren offered Sauerland 1 million euros when the fight takes place in the UK. Ottke got 3 millions each fight so he would be crazy to accept. Sauerland offered 2 millions for Calzaghe but he didn´t want to come over to Germany.

Ottke won vs. Glen Johnson who is the one everybody now is praying for in light heavy. for me Calzaghe was stronger and better than Johnson. but this year Calzaghe wasn´t that convincing. regarding Ottkes performance vs Krajnc (who is known as a hiter like Calzaghe) i would say 55/45 Ottke.

noone offered anyone anything. one said they did, the other responded, and then they just hoped noone would ask any more questions.

i don't know about anyone else, but i would have loved to see gerald mcclellan slaughter ottke. I just wish the careers had overlapped a bit more, not that they would have fought if they had.

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 20 Dec 2004, 16:39

Fighter of the year?

I think Miguel Cotto and Winky Wright must be top contenders for that honour.

Cannibal · Post by **Cannibal** » 20 Dec 2004, 17:31

Why Cotto? Cotto has looked impressive yes but had no big fights during the year while Barrera had Morales and Ayala and Johnson beat Jones and Tarver. Cotto hasn't fought anywhere near that level this year and has had a comfortable year in quality of opponent in proportion to his talent.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 20 Dec 2004, 18:07

Its got to be Johnson, domestically it has to be Thompson.

Goz · Post by **Goz** » 20 Dec 2004, 18:38

stujones wrote:Its got to be Johnson, domestically it has to be Thompson.

Be quite an interesting matchup actually, Johnson v Thompson at Cruiserweight.

glittermonkey · Post by **glittermonkey** » 20 Dec 2004, 19:08

A name that hasn't been mentioned yet. Corrales. He's another one who's had a great year. Although not everyone agrees, I had him winning the Casamayor fight by a couple of rounds. Plus he's beaten someone long considered by many to be a (neil r, look away now) p4p top ten fighter, in Freitas.

Skelton or Thompson for British fighter of the year. There's just been too many nothing fights for our biggest names. If I had to make the choice, it would be Skelton. I think he's achieved slightly more than Thompson over the span of the year, those couple of extra fights Skelton's had swayed me I think. Thompson gets fight of the year though, the Rothmann match was a classic.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 20 Dec 2004, 19:16

Good call with Corrales, would probably be my number 2 - Castillo would be not a bad shout as well, regained the title (over the very good Lazcano and then beats Casamayor).

Witter hasn't had a bad year in securing the European title (for the domestic scene), but Thompson beat a top tenner in Rothman and an hot prospect in Haye.

Can't think of two many fighter who have scored wins in the independent world top ten this year (infact, cannot think of any). So its got to be Thompson.

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 20 Dec 2004, 20:40

Castillo has had a good year, shame that today in Boxing you only need to win well twice in a year and you are a prospective fighter of the year...oh well that's the game today i suppose.

hattonblue · Post by **hattonblue** » 21 Dec 2004, 06:13

British only, what about Ricky Hatton? Still unbeaten and still looking superb - as in December.

Priff · Post by **Priff** » 21 Dec 2004, 06:27

hattonblue wrote:British only, what about Ricky Hatton? Still unbeaten and still looking superb - as in December.

The phrase "I'll get my coat" comes to mind!
You are right, he looked good in his last fight, but he remains at roughly the same level he was a year ago, and no world title shot. That puts him quite far down the order I reckon. Hopefully he'll be in with a shout next year though.

hattonblue · Post by **hattonblue** » 21 Dec 2004, 07:08

No world title shot? He's got a world title already.

As for being at the same level as last year, yep he's still the best out there

And just to show I'm not just Hatton mad, Danny Williams beat Tyson so deserves a mention.

BubiScholz · Post by **BubiScholz** » 21 Dec 2004, 07:14

neil r wrote:
BubiScholz wrote:Ottke was boxing for the rules and the scorecards, not for the english or american public.
i think id rather see boxers trying to win through out boxing their opponents using boxing ability and superior pugilistic skills. as opposed to one just boxing to work the scorecards

i ansolutely agree. this is the reason why i am no ottke-fan. i only have respect what he has done in such a short late begon career.

BubiScholz · Post by **BubiScholz** » 21 Dec 2004, 07:17

hattonblue wrote:No world title shot? He's got a world title already.

As for being at the same level as last year, yep he's still the best out there

And just to show I'm not just Hatton mad, Danny Williams beat Tyson so deserves a mention.

Hatton has only an alphapet-soup-Warren-title, no real world title.

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 21 Dec 2004, 08:00

hattonblue wrote:No world title shot? He's got a world title already.

Please tell me you're joking......can I interest you in buying a bridge?

glittermonkey · Post by **glittermonkey** » 21 Dec 2004, 10:11

hattonblue wrote:As for being at the same level as last year, yep he's still the best out there

I agree, Hatton is clearly the best lightwelter in Manchester.

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 21 Dec 2004, 10:26

hattonblue wrote:No world title shot? He's got a world title already

Exactly, so there is no need for him to be looking for the likes of Tszyu, Cotto, Harris etc because as a World Title holder they should be coming for him

Actually come to think of it i am sure i have a WBU belt lying around somewhere i use to hold up my work trousers

hattonblue · Post by **hattonblue** » 21 Dec 2004, 11:32

But fighter of the year is anyone is Britain better than Hatton????? I dont think so. And he was unbeaten in 2004. The others aren't British.

WBU might not be the best I admit that. But for some reason a lot of Manchester boxers win them. Hatton Gomez Farnell all were WBU champs in 2004. And out of them Hatton is the best.

Chris the fighter · Post by **Chris the fighter** » 21 Dec 2004, 13:02

The Cat for me was for sure british fighter of the year Rothmann was a top ten fighter, Carl was really being hurt badly and came back with the knockout of the year and then he took some big hits against Haye and came back to stop the kid.
I have to agree with the majority view about Johnson being international fighter of the year.

BubiScholz · Post by **BubiScholz** » 21 Dec 2004, 13:08

hattonblue wrote:But fighter of the year is anyone is Britain better than Hatton????? I dont think so. And he was unbeaten in 2004. The others aren't British.

WBU might not be the best I admit that. But for some reason a lot of Manchester boxers win them. Hatton Gomez Farnell all were WBU champs in 2004. And out of them Hatton is the best.

you Brits should more often mention Johnny Nelson. he is a real champion and the best cruiser at the time.

Chris the fighter · Post by **Chris the fighter** » 21 Dec 2004, 13:11

Your right Bubi but Nelson only fights once a year, but he is a road warrior your right to say that. Still I doubt Don will invite him to his Cruiser tournament, Johnny could win it if he was.