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Re: Has Ruiz lost the fight at the scale?
Posted: 06 Dec 2019, 12:54
by Controversial
That must be second heaviest anyone has ever been for a HW title fight, I can only think of Valuev being heaver.
Re: Has Ruiz lost the fight at the scale?
Posted: 06 Dec 2019, 12:57
by Stuarty
bigjack wrote: ↑06 Dec 2019, 12:30
Stuarty wrote: ↑06 Dec 2019, 12:25
I'm the same as you. Rahman was the same wasn't he? After he beat Lewis he enjoyed the high life a little too much before the rematch and got blown away...
I don't think Rahman was that good to start with,the real Lewis showed up in the rematch.
True enough aye. Certainly not on Lewis's level ability wise anyway... Nowhere near.
Re: Has Ruiz lost the fight at the scale?
Posted: 06 Dec 2019, 13:15
by MightyWarrior
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑06 Dec 2019, 12:46
More likely he just porked out and got fatter
Plus why give AJ more confidence?
Well it seems so unbelievable he’s done this, with so much at stake, I’m wondering if he has weights somewhere, like in his shoes; because as far as they’re concerned, over confidence for Joshua is a good thing: that’s what I did for him last time.
Joshua is going to be quite befuddled now, everyone is gonna be telling him look at this fat slob, he’s got no chance ! and he’ll be thinking maybe I should knock this this guy out... I mean he definitely wants to be cautious, but this works against that...
Re: Has Ruiz lost the fight at the scale?
Posted: 06 Dec 2019, 13:23
by danconnollyeire
Stuarty wrote: ↑06 Dec 2019, 12:57
bigjack wrote: ↑06 Dec 2019, 12:30
I don't think Rahman was that good to start with,the real Lewis showed up in the rematch.
True enough aye. Certainly not on Lewis's level ability wise anyway... Nowhere near.
To be fair only a handful of people ever were at Lewis’ level. Goes to show how appreciate of lennox gets better over time. At the times, people were saying even Grant would beat him when he had about 5% of Lewis’ class. Tyson was expected to beat him too, Rahman in the second fight and a few others and he made them fights look so easy
Re: Has Ruiz lost the fight at the scale?
Posted: 06 Dec 2019, 13:23
by bigjack
Ruiz doesn't look any different though to me,can't see what the problem is really.
Re: Has Ruiz lost the fight at the scale?
Posted: 06 Dec 2019, 13:27
by Tuan_Jim
Controversial wrote: ↑06 Dec 2019, 12:54
That must be second heaviest anyone has ever been for a HW title fight, I can only think of Valuev being heaver.
I was thinking Ruiz had broken Carnera and Danny Williams' record and was the heaviest ever. Had totally forgotten about Valuev. Why did you have to remind me!?
Re: Has Ruiz lost the fight at the scale?
Posted: 06 Dec 2019, 13:29
by Stuarty
danconnollyeire wrote: ↑06 Dec 2019, 13:23
Stuarty wrote: ↑06 Dec 2019, 12:57
True enough aye. Certainly not on Lewis's level ability wise anyway... Nowhere near.
To be fair only a handful of people ever were at Lewis’ level. Goes to show how appreciate of lennox gets better over time. At the times, people were saying even Grant would beat him when he had about 5% of Lewis’ class. Tyson was expected to beat him too, Rahman in the second fight and a few others and he made them fights look so easy
Re: Has Ruiz lost the fight at the scale?
Posted: 06 Dec 2019, 13:37
by Seamus
If Andy Kayos AJ again, it's gonna be cool to be fat. At least for men
Re: Has Ruiz lost the fight at the scale?
Posted: 06 Dec 2019, 13:58
by margaret thatcher
MightyWarrior wrote: ↑06 Dec 2019, 13:15
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑06 Dec 2019, 12:46
More likely he just porked out and got fatter
Plus why give AJ more confidence?
Well it seems so unbelievable he’s done this, with so much at stake, I’m wondering if he has weights somewhere, like in his shoes; because as far as they’re concerned, over confidence for Joshua is a good thing: that’s what I did for him last time.
Joshua is going to be quite befuddled now, everyone is gonna be telling him look at this fat slob, he’s got no chance ! and he’ll be thinking maybe I should knock this this guy out... I mean he definitely wants to be cautious, but this works against that...
I dunno, all the talk about AJ lacking confidence, now suddenly it's a good move to give him some more of what he supposedly lacks? And I mean having been KO'd the first time I don't think AJ is going to go in their like it's a walk in the park. His own weight loss tells me another approach is being taken
Re: Has Ruiz lost the fight at the scale?
Posted: 06 Dec 2019, 14:04
by Datsue
Well, that's me off to the bookies...
I can only echo the Buster Douglas comparisons. FFS, it makes you think he's been sitting in a sauna eating pizzas, not training.
Re: Has Ruiz lost the fight at the scale?
Posted: 06 Dec 2019, 14:28
by polecateddy
In Boxing News this week it mentioned that Ruiz has been dropped by trainers in the past for having a lack of discipline. The weight he’s come in at is so high it seems unlikely he’s really fit to handle a 12 rounder.
Re: Has Ruiz lost the fight at the scale?
Posted: 06 Dec 2019, 14:31
by kbackup408
polecateddy wrote: ↑06 Dec 2019, 14:28
In Boxing News this week it mentioned that Ruiz has been dropped by trainers in the past for having a lack of discipline. The weight he’s come in at is so high it seems unlikely he’s really fit to handle a 12 rounder.
I am really conflicted what to believe when it comes to sparring stories - I think the success might have gone to his head those HW straps isn't for everyone
Re: Has Ruiz lost the fight at the scale?
Posted: 06 Dec 2019, 14:31
by margaret thatcher
kbackup408 wrote: ↑06 Dec 2019, 14:31
polecateddy wrote: ↑06 Dec 2019, 14:28
In Boxing News this week it mentioned that Ruiz has been dropped by trainers in the past for having a lack of discipline. The weight he’s come in at is so high it seems unlikely he’s really fit to handle a 12 rounder.
I am really conflicted what to believe when it comes to sparring stories - I think the success might have gone to his head those HW straps isn't for everyone
I don't think the trainers dropped him in sparring
Re: Has Ruiz lost the fight at the scale?
Posted: 06 Dec 2019, 14:33
by kbackup408
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑06 Dec 2019, 14:31
kbackup408 wrote: ↑06 Dec 2019, 14:31
I am really conflicted what to believe when it comes to sparring stories - I think the success might have gone to his head those HW straps isn't for everyone
I don't think the trainers dropped him in sparring
the only thing that slightly confuses me is I heard Roach say somewhere the heavier Ruiz is the better he performs lol
Re: Has Ruiz lost the fight at the scale?
Posted: 06 Dec 2019, 15:59
by paddy chavez
I think Ruiz has gone with the plan the AJ can't do 12 hard rounds and he'll walk him down after taking his best shots so their not worried about his weight come in heavy to absorb his shots...... or he could just of eaten to much
Re: Has Ruiz lost the fight at the scale?
Posted: 06 Dec 2019, 16:00
by paddy chavez
Double Post
Re: Has Ruiz lost the fight at the scale?
Posted: 06 Dec 2019, 16:05
by oogiebe
We'll know in around 15 hours or so!
Re: Has Ruiz lost the fight at the scale?
Posted: 06 Dec 2019, 16:13
by margaret thatcher
oogiebe wrote: ↑06 Dec 2019, 16:05
We'll know in around 15 hours or so!
Still feeling that Andy's got his number or has the 283 put some doubt?
Re: Has Ruiz lost the fight at the scale?
Posted: 06 Dec 2019, 16:16
by oogiebe
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑06 Dec 2019, 16:13
oogiebe wrote: ↑06 Dec 2019, 16:05
We'll know in around 15 hours or so!
Still feeling that Andy's got his number or has the 283 put some doubt?
Def gave me some doubt. I'll keep my pick. Geez...almost 50 LB diff in fighers. AJ said there should be a superheavy division in an interview after the weigh-in! SMH.
Re: Has Ruiz lost the fight at the scale?
Posted: 06 Dec 2019, 16:18
by gilgamesh
Were there not lots of pictures of Ruiz looking slim just recently? When did he gain all this weight Thanksgiving?
Re: Has Ruiz lost the fight at the scale?
Posted: 06 Dec 2019, 16:20
by margaret thatcher
gilgamesh wrote: ↑06 Dec 2019, 16:18
Were there not lots of pictures of Ruiz looking slim just recently? When did he gain all this weight Thanksgiving?
Coulda just been some photo flattery, none of them were him standing straight on with his shirt up and arms down
Re: Has Ruiz lost the fight at the scale?
Posted: 06 Dec 2019, 16:21
by oogiebe
gilgamesh wrote: ↑06 Dec 2019, 16:18
Were there not lots of pictures of Ruiz looking slim just recently? When did he gain all this weight Thanksgiving?
I posted earlier that it just means he gained more weight after the first fight then we all thought. Prob around 315. It's still a bit more weight than he should be. I'm sure he worked hard in camp, but...
Re: Has Ruiz lost the fight at the scale?
Posted: 06 Dec 2019, 16:22
by oogiebe
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑06 Dec 2019, 16:20
gilgamesh wrote: ↑06 Dec 2019, 16:18
Were there not lots of pictures of Ruiz looking slim just recently? When did he gain all this weight Thanksgiving?
Coulda just been some photo flattery, none of them were him standing straight on with his shirt up and arms down
They were all photoshop jobs. It was pretty obvious. His camp vids showed his size was way bigger than the photos.
Re: Has Ruiz lost the fight at the scale?
Posted: 06 Dec 2019, 16:48
by smiling assassin
Just my 2 cents worth.
Ruiz knows full well he ain't winning if it goes to the judges. He's stopped him once and that's exactly what he's going out there to do this time. Can't see this going past 6,either way
Re: Has Ruiz lost the fight at the scale?
Posted: 06 Dec 2019, 16:55
by gilgamesh
smiling assassin wrote: ↑06 Dec 2019, 16:48
Just my 2 cents worth.
Ruiz knows full well he ain't winning if it goes to the judges. He's stopped him once and that's exactly what he's going out there to do this time. Can't see this going past 6,either way
I can. Might not, but I can see it going past 6, and I have picked Joshua to win by decision. That being said a KO either way wouldn't be too terribly shocking either.