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Deleted_Scenes wrote: ↑07 Dec 2019, 21:47

Shhhh wrote: ↑07 Dec 2019, 19:55 If Ruiz trains he beats this Joshua

He had 6 months to train properly, for a fight that could have proved the first was no fluke, and make himself a superstar.

If he really didn't train properly, he's an idiot.

He's an idiot then.

Is this fight worth watching oogie?

oogiebe wrote: ↑07 Dec 2019, 21:48

Deleted_Scenes wrote: ↑07 Dec 2019, 21:47

He had 6 months to train properly, for a fight that could have proved the first was no fluke, and make himself a superstar.

If he really didn't train properly, he's an idiot.

He's an idiot then.

Agree. He didn't train for that fight with any desire...

oogiebe wrote: ↑07 Dec 2019, 21:39

gilgamesh wrote: ↑07 Dec 2019, 21:34

I wanna see Ruiz fight the other contenders because that right there will eliminate the need for a 3rd fight. He won't beat the Ortiz's and the Povetkin's and the Usyk's of the division.

He beats Kownacki. A fight between him and Miller is 50/50 to me, and I'd lean toward Miller.

He's a one hit wonder.

Discipline. His lack of it ruined any chance of his skills being maximised. Nothing to hint at his being able to turn that around. Squandered promise. Other posters were right in saying that before the first AJ fight, he never met his potential. Just heard his 'excuse' that he didn't train hard enough. Duh! I can't forgive that with a fighter.

A good buddy of mine works with people who know Ruiz personally & they grew up with him. They told him last week that the fame & money from winning the first fight went to Ruiz's head & that was OBVIOUS once Andy stepped in the ring this afternoon. He is fat & undisciplined and has tried to get by on his power & hand speed but has never had the self-discipline to get into decent condition.

One hit wonder for sure!!

Duran1970 wrote: ↑07 Dec 2019, 21:50 Is this fight worth watching oogie?

My advice. Watch Round 1, then Round 7...and realize that all the rounds in between were pretty much like that. Round 8 was the most dramatic moment of the fight as Ruiz noticeably hurt AJ for the only time in the fight really. Then AJ just kinda gathers himself, and gets back to business from Round 9 onward.

It's a bit more interesting down the stretch than it is in the beginning. Not the most exciting fight you'll ever see. You could probably just stick with the highlights honestly.

Ruiz had maybe 1 or 2 standout moments, and the rest of the fight was AJ's. That's it.

Duran1970 wrote: ↑07 Dec 2019, 21:50 Is this fight worth watching oogie?

If you're interested in tactics and don't need to be entertained, yes. Ruiz's shape was just as much to blame for his loss as was AJ's execution of the fight plan. The last four rounds were ok.

Best Coast wrote: ↑07 Dec 2019, 21:54

oogiebe wrote: ↑07 Dec 2019, 21:39
Discipline. His lack of it ruined any chance of his skills being maximised. Nothing to hint at his being able to turn that around. Squandered promise. Other posters were right in saying that before the first AJ fight, he never met his potential. Just heard his 'excuse' that he didn't train hard enough. Duh! I can't forgive that with a fighter.

A good buddy of mine works with people who know Ruiz personally & they grew up with him. They told him last week that the fame & money from winning the first fight went to Ruiz's head & that was OBVIOUS once Andy stepped in the ring this afternoon. He is fat & undisciplined and has tried to get by on his power & hand speed but has never had the self-discipline to get into decent condition.

One hit wonder for sure!!

The money went to his head implies that he wasn't a fat, undisciplined fighter before now. He was always the guy he was today.

There should be a third fight decider.

And by all accounts, this will definitely happen at some point.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑07 Dec 2019, 21:56 There should be a third fight decider.

And by all accounts, this will definitely happen at some point.

What accounts?

oogiebe wrote: ↑07 Dec 2019, 21:56

Duran1970 wrote: ↑07 Dec 2019, 21:50 Is this fight worth watching oogie?

If you're interested in tactics and don't need to be entertained, yes. Ruiz's shape was just as much to blame for his loss as was AJ's execution of the fight plan. The last four rounds were ok.

You give Ruiz entirely too much credit as a fighter.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑07 Dec 2019, 21:56 There should be a third fight decider.

And by all accounts, this will definitely happen at some point.

If they wait at least a year or a year and a half, and let these guys fight other more interesting fights first I agree.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑07 Dec 2019, 21:57

oogiebe wrote: ↑07 Dec 2019, 21:56

If you're interested in tactics and don't need to be entertained, yes. Ruiz's shape was just as much to blame for his loss as was AJ's execution of the fight plan. The last four rounds were ok.

You give Ruiz entirely too much credit as a fighter.

LOL! Where do I give Ruiz credit? Saying the last four rounds were ok? It was the only part of the fight that was remotely interesting. REMOTELY.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑07 Dec 2019, 20:59 Having pulled the biggest upset since Douglas/Tyson will keep him a relevant name on other fighters records for at least 2 or 3 more years I figure.

The entire PBC roster is still available to him. I'd love a matchup between him and Ortiz or him and Kownacki. Jarrell Miller might be interesting too.

No shortage of interesting fights for him still.

Yeah, and he is the second biggest name in the mix after Wilder.

A Ortiz-fight would be nice prospect for the future.

oogiebe wrote: ↑07 Dec 2019, 22:00

gilgamesh wrote: ↑07 Dec 2019, 21:57

You give Ruiz entirely too much credit as a fighter.

LOL! Where do I give Ruiz credit? Saying the last four rounds were ok? It was the only part of the fight that was remotely interesting. REMOTELY.

Just acting as if he would be a way better fighter if he were 20 pounds lighter. He wouldn't be. He might be slightly better, but AJ fighting a smarter fight would've still won a UD.

AJ lost the first time because he thought Ruiz wasn't sh*t, and went after him with that attitude in mind. He'll never take him that lightly again, and I don't think Ruiz could ever beat him again.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑07 Dec 2019, 21:56

Best Coast wrote: ↑07 Dec 2019, 21:54
A good buddy of mine works with people who know Ruiz personally & they grew up with him. They told him last week that the fame & money from winning the first fight went to Ruiz's head & that was OBVIOUS once Andy stepped in the ring this afternoon. He is fat & undisciplined and has tried to get by on his power & hand speed but has never had the self-discipline to get into decent condition.

One hit wonder for sure!!

The money went to his head implies that he wasn't a fat, undisciplined fighter before now. He was always the guy he was today.

The money & fame reinforced Ruiz's false belief that he could duplicate his win over AJ without self-discipline & dedication to conditioning. He came in as a late substitute in the first fight, without much of a training camp.

Best Coast wrote: ↑07 Dec 2019, 22:18

gilgamesh wrote: ↑07 Dec 2019, 21:56

The money went to his head implies that he wasn't a fat, undisciplined fighter before now. He was always the guy he was today.

The money & fame reinforced Ruiz's false belief that he could duplicate his win over AJ without self-discipline & dedication to conditioning. He came in as a late substitute in the first fight, without much of a training camp.

In other words. The money and the fame didn't change him at all. Which is just a different way of saying what I said.

Morally, there should be a third fight, but in reality, I don't think it will happen.

Ruiz was clearly only there for the payday and having a third fight will mean more of the same.

He's better off raiding his fridge until his money runs out, then he might regain his hunger for the fight game, as opposed to his hunger for sausages, beer and chocolate bars.

Well they are one and one now.

AJ got hes chance to change hes game and improve. Why should Ruiz not get hes?

Both made the very similar mistake of underestimating the opponent and paid for it with a loss.

Yesterdays match had me on the edge of my seat for the whole fight.

I say give Ruiz hes chance to adjust and train properly and do the fight one more time

I'm sure if Andy gets his act together and trains properly he will move back up the rankings and into a title shot

But Ruiz only convincingly won one round. That doesn't justify a rematch at this point for me.

Ruiz ate his own way out his titles, admitted in the post fight and then talks about a 3rd fight. Ain’t happening.

Ruiz is Mexican so their word holds weight here.

Would the hardcore Mexican's be gagging for 3 in London for the next fight.

The Mexican's will want Joshua v Ruiz 3 down the road I guarantee it.

Ruiz should retire and spend time with his family. He’s set.

There's more of a need for Ruiz to fight someone who isn't Joshua. Like... do we really need Joshua to have a trilogy with some guy who's never been tested against anyone else except Joseph Parker (who Joshua has also fought)? Ruiz gives us no context as to how good Joshua is, because there's nothing unique on his resume. Are they both good? Are they both bad?
Are they both medium? Let's have Ruiz fight someone like Joyce, Rivas, Whyte, Kownacki, or whoever. If Ruiz gets a win at that level, then maybe get him another win against a champ. And, honestly, if Ruiz earns another shot at a champ, I think it'd be more informative if he fought Wilder or Fury, rather than Joshua a third time.

Lackeos wrote: ↑08 Dec 2019, 04:06Ruiz gives us no context as to how good Joshua is, because there's nothing unique on his resume.

Do you really need Ruiz to know how good AJ is? AJ is the most proven guy at heavyweight.