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keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑08 Dec 2019, 18:09 IMHO Usyk beats Josh, Wilder and Fury.

That’s a big call - how ? And why ?

With 'the big 3’ being so much bigger - and with such different strengths - surely ONE of them beats Usyk ?

lillywhite14 wrote: ↑08 Dec 2019, 18:45

smiling assassin wrote: ↑08 Dec 2019, 18:12 AJ would need help from the judges if he faces Usyk

Usyk for all his quality ate shots vs Bellew. Tony Bellew. Drink that in...

He also ate plenty of leather against Breidis.

Joshua can find him, no doubt. If Usyk can take the power and has no difficulty with the size difference, he can win. Not only against Joshua but against the other two as well.
I don’t think he can though. He’s not super slick defensively, far from it. Doesn’t hit hard enough either imo. It’s a shame because if he did, he’d beat them all with surprising ease. He’s so much better at boxing than all three put together

Completely agree that Usyk is the better boxer out of all of them.
If the AJ of Saturday night turned up against Usyk I think he would need a big helping hand from the judges. He boxed smart but was very cautious and didn't commit to much. I think that style plays in the hands of Usyk and the only real concern I'd have is how his chin holds up to AJ's power. If it passes the test then AJ would be in trouble

smiling assassin wrote: ↑08 Dec 2019, 19:02

lillywhite14 wrote: ↑08 Dec 2019, 18:45

Usyk for all his quality ate shots vs Bellew. Tony Bellew. Drink that in...

He also ate plenty of leather against Breidis.

Joshua can find him, no doubt. If Usyk can take the power and has no difficulty with the size difference, he can win. Not only against Joshua but against the other two as well.
I don’t think he can though. He’s not super slick defensively, far from it. Doesn’t hit hard enough either imo. It’s a shame because if he did, he’d beat them all with surprising ease. He’s so much better at boxing than all three put together

Completely agree that Usyk is the better boxer out of all of them.
If the AJ of Saturday night turned up against Usyk I think he would need a big helping hand from the judges. He boxed smart but was very cautious and didn't commit to much. I think that style plays in the hands of Usyk and the only real concern I'd have is how his chin holds up to AJ's power. If it passes the test then AJ would be in trouble

None of them should fight Usyk at their sort of range imo, not even Fury. I think Fury might actually have the most difficulty with the Ukrainian because he doesn’t have the power to deter Usyk.

Joshua and Wilder of course, would need to put it on him.

lillywhite14 wrote: ↑08 Dec 2019, 19:05

smiling assassin wrote: ↑08 Dec 2019, 19:02

Completely agree that Usyk is the better boxer out of all of them.
If the AJ of Saturday night turned up against Usyk I think he would need a big helping hand from the judges. He boxed smart but was very cautious and didn't commit to much. I think that style plays in the hands of Usyk and the only real concern I'd have is how his chin holds up to AJ's power. If it passes the test then AJ would be in trouble

None of them should fight Usyk at their sort of range imo, not even Fury. I think Fury might actually have the most difficulty with the Ukrainian because he doesn’t have the power to deter Usyk.

Joshua and Wilder of course, would need to put it on him.

I actually give wilder the best chance of beating Usyk. I don't think he could stay out the way for the full 12 without getting caught

smiling assassin wrote: ↑08 Dec 2019, 19:10

lillywhite14 wrote: ↑08 Dec 2019, 19:05

None of them should fight Usyk at their sort of range imo, not even Fury. I think Fury might actually have the most difficulty with the Ukrainian because he doesn’t have the power to deter Usyk.

Joshua and Wilder of course, would need to put it on him.

I actually give wilder the best chance of beating Usyk. I don't think he could stay out the way for the full 12 without getting caught

I can agree with that.

lillywhite14 wrote: ↑08 Dec 2019, 18:45

smiling assassin wrote: ↑08 Dec 2019, 18:12 AJ would need help from the judges if he faces Usyk

Usyk for all his quality ate shots vs Bellew. Tony Bellew. Drink that in...

He also ate plenty of leather against Breidis.

Joshua can find him, no doubt. If Usyk can take the power and has no difficulty with the size difference, he can win. Not only against Joshua but against the other two as well.
I don’t think he can though. He’s not super slick defensively, far from it. Doesn’t hit hard enough either imo. It’s a shame because if he did, he’d beat them all with surprising ease. He’s so much better at boxing than all three put together

I think Fury would give Usyk nightmares.

Nondescript wrote: ↑08 Dec 2019, 19:34

lillywhite14 wrote: ↑08 Dec 2019, 18:45

Usyk for all his quality ate shots vs Bellew. Tony Bellew. Drink that in...

He also ate plenty of leather against Breidis.

Joshua can find him, no doubt. If Usyk can take the power and has no difficulty with the size difference, he can win. Not only against Joshua but against the other two as well.
I don’t think he can though. He’s not super slick defensively, far from it. Doesn’t hit hard enough either imo. It’s a shame because if he did, he’d beat them all with surprising ease. He’s so much better at boxing than all three put together

I think Fury would give Usyk nightmares.

Why? I think Usyk is plenty good enough to get close to and get shots off against Tyson

lillywhite14 wrote: ↑08 Dec 2019, 19:38

Nondescript wrote: ↑08 Dec 2019, 19:34

I think Fury would give Usyk nightmares.

Why? I think Usyk is plenty good enough to get close to and get shots off against Tyson

I just think fury is Taller and more importantly longer and rangier, and on top of that despite being a good 5 inches taller than Usyk. I think hes actually quicker on his feet and generally moves better, despite Usyk being strong in that area himself.

I couldn't see Bellew having the kind of success he had against Usyk, against Fury for instance.

Usyk won't fight big/strong HWs like he fought Bellew, he was coming forward vs Bellew and Briedis. Vs Witherspoon and in his WSB fights vs Joyce, Nistor, and Majidov he was boxing and moving, same as he did vs an offensive threat in Gas.

I can see how Fury would be difficult given that he can back foot and box himself and that he's so much longer

Nondescript wrote: ↑08 Dec 2019, 19:43

lillywhite14 wrote: ↑08 Dec 2019, 19:38

Why? I think Usyk is plenty good enough to get close to and get shots off against Tyson

I just think fury is Taller and more importantly longer and rangier, and on top of that despite being a good 5 inches taller than Usyk. I think hes actually quicker on his feet and generally moves better, despite Usyk being strong in that area himself.

I couldn't see Bellew having the kind of success he had against Usyk, against Fury for instance.

To be fair, Bellew is a solid counter puncher, and Usyk adopted an evidently very effective strategy of high guard whilst walking him down (putting Bellew under constant psychological pressure) so on the one hand Usyk was there to be hit, on the other hand I doubt he adopts the same strategy for the top heavy weights. But I guess we will learn more when he has his next few fights.

Interesting call on the footwork. I'm a Fury fan, but I think Usyk has incredible footwork.

I'm still leaning toward one of Joshua, Wilder, Fury coming out on top, though. With a slight edge to Fury.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑08 Dec 2019, 22:17 Usyk won't fight big/strong HWs like he fought Bellew, he was coming forward vs Bellew and Briedis. Vs Witherspoon and in his WSB fights vs Joyce, Nistor, and Majidov he was boxing and moving, same as he did vs an offensive threat in Gas.

I can see how Fury would be difficult given that he can back foot and box himself and that he's so much longer

An interesting thing for me for Usyk at heavyweight is that formerly he was happy to absorb shots on his guard. Trying that at Heavyweight I could see him getting into situations where he's getting knocked around by heavier fighters.

Nondescript wrote: ↑08 Dec 2019, 19:43

lillywhite14 wrote: ↑08 Dec 2019, 19:38

Why? I think Usyk is plenty good enough to get close to and get shots off against Tyson

I just think fury is Taller and more importantly longer and rangier, and on top of that despite being a good 5 inches taller than Usyk. I think hes actually quicker on his feet and generally moves better, despite Usyk being strong in that area himself.

I couldn't see Bellew having the kind of success he had against Usyk, against Fury for instance.

Did you really see Bellew having success against Usyk lefty? Never seen that myself. He got measured, allowed to throw some ineffective punches till Usyk had his timing then finished with ease.

Fury moves ‘better’? Ffs man

lillywhite14 wrote: ↑08 Dec 2019, 18:45

smiling assassin wrote: ↑08 Dec 2019, 18:12 AJ would need help from the judges if he faces Usyk

Usyk for all his quality ate shots vs Bellew. Tony Bellew. Drink that in...

He also ate plenty of leather against Breidis.

Joshua can find him, no doubt. If Usyk can take the power and has no difficulty with the size difference, he can win. Not only against Joshua but against the other two as well.
I don’t think he can though. He’s not super slick defensively, far from it. Doesn’t hit hard enough either imo. It’s a shame because if he did, he’d beat them all with surprising ease. He’s so much better at boxing than all three put together

I think you're underrating Bellew a bit there. He did give Steveson probelms, he ain't that bad and he could bang

Nondescript wrote: ↑08 Dec 2019, 19:43

lillywhite14 wrote: ↑08 Dec 2019, 19:38

Why? I think Usyk is plenty good enough to get close to and get shots off against Tyson

I just think fury is Taller and more importantly longer and rangier, and on top of that despite being a good 5 inches taller than Usyk. I think hes actually quicker on his feet and generally moves better, despite Usyk being strong in that area himself.

I couldn't see Bellew having the kind of success he had against Usyk, against Fury for instance.

Sounds like something Johnny 'Bellew is technically better than Usyk' Nelson would say

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑09 Dec 2019, 06:57

Nondescript wrote: ↑08 Dec 2019, 19:43

I just think fury is Taller and more importantly longer and rangier, and on top of that despite being a good 5 inches taller than Usyk. I think hes actually quicker on his feet and generally moves better, despite Usyk being strong in that area himself.

I couldn't see Bellew having the kind of success he had against Usyk, against Fury for instance.

Sounds like something Johnny 'Bellew is technically better than Usyk' Nelson would say

I don't think I ever said anything about Bellew being technically better than Usyk.

Wee Tommy wrote: ↑09 Dec 2019, 05:51

Nondescript wrote: ↑08 Dec 2019, 19:43

I just think fury is Taller and more importantly longer and rangier, and on top of that despite being a good 5 inches taller than Usyk. I think hes actually quicker on his feet and generally moves better, despite Usyk being strong in that area himself.

I couldn't see Bellew having the kind of success he had against Usyk, against Fury for instance.

Did you really see Bellew having success against Usyk lefty? Never seen that myself. He got measured, allowed to throw some ineffective punches till Usyk had his timing then finished with ease.

Fury moves ‘better’? Ffs man

Just an opinion

Nondescript wrote: ↑09 Dec 2019, 12:21

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑09 Dec 2019, 06:57

Sounds like something Johnny 'Bellew is technically better than Usyk' Nelson would say

I don't think I ever said anything about Bellew being technically better than Usyk.

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑09 Dec 2019, 12:24

Nondescript wrote: ↑09 Dec 2019, 12:21
I don't think I ever said anything about Bellew being technically better than Usyk.

I thought jokes were supposed to funny. My bad

Nondescript wrote: ↑09 Dec 2019, 12:22

Wee Tommy wrote: ↑09 Dec 2019, 05:51

Did you really see Bellew having success against Usyk lefty? Never seen that myself. He got measured, allowed to throw some ineffective punches till Usyk had his timing then finished with ease.

Fury moves ‘better’? Ffs man

Just an opinion

Ok mate

Wee Tommy wrote: ↑09 Dec 2019, 13:30

Nondescript wrote: ↑09 Dec 2019, 12:22

Just an opinion

Ok mate

It's just that when you look at the judges scorecards at the time of the knockout- Bellew was up on two of them and was drawing on the other, and two of the judges were non British.

I've seen other scorecards that were by BS that had it similarly.

Nondescript wrote: ↑09 Dec 2019, 13:59

Wee Tommy wrote: ↑09 Dec 2019, 13:30

Ok mate

It's just that when you look at the judges scorecards at the time of the knockout- Bellew was up on two of them and was drawing on the other, and two of the judges were non British.

I've seen other scorecards that were by BS that had it similarly.

Appreciate that mate but I watched the fight myself I was listening to the rabid commentators thinking wtf are they on about Tony got schooled mate.

WBO gets dropped, its the sh*ttest belt, fighting someone who, at the very least will make AJ look amateur at times, even the money is only slightly better than Pulev, and a lot worse than Fury/Wilder.

Its yours Usyk, so long as the vacant is fought vs a Matchroom fighter, Dereck or Dillian (if not reinstated by the WBC).

Nondescript wrote: ↑09 Dec 2019, 12:26

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑09 Dec 2019, 12:24

I thought jokes were supposed to funny. My bad