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Winter king wrote: ↑27 Dec 2019, 14:01 John Fury hinted they planning on working Wilder inside with some body shots. I think Fury is a lot better inside and if he mixes up his previous tactic with some infighting he will definetely wear Wilder down. People also tend to forget that Fury has some body shot KOs so he is no joke close range.

This is exactly how to beat wilder---INSIDE.

if fury stays outside and clowns around hes gonna eat that right again

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I think this fight we will see Wilder start fast, hitting Fury's mid-section with big shots, before setting up the KO shot. Fury will have his moments for sure, but I still think he is spooked from the last fight near KO. Why else has he put the fight off. Besides that, he looked horrible in his last fight.

Wilder will have to be ahead early, hopefully they tell him, because if that cut opens up and the fight gets stopped he could lose. Fury can out-box Wilder, but I just don't see him avoiding big shots for 12 rounds. I predict Wilder by KO by round 6 or 7.

Bandog wrote: ↑28 Dec 2019, 07:34 I think this fight we will see Wilder start fast, hitting Fury's mid-section with big shots, before setting up the KO shot. Fury will have his moments for sure, but I still think he is spooked from the last fight near KO. Why else has he put the fight off. Besides that, he looked horrible in his last fight.

Wilder refused to travel to the UK. So the sensible thing was always for Fury to walk away from the immediate rematch and try to establish himself as a name in America in his own right. He had to know he would get no favours in the US after the fiasco on the score cards the last time.

Finkel wrote: ↑28 Dec 2019, 12:11

Bandog wrote: ↑28 Dec 2019, 07:34 I think this fight we will see Wilder start fast, hitting Fury's mid-section with big shots, before setting up the KO shot. Fury will have his moments for sure, but I still think he is spooked from the last fight near KO. Why else has he put the fight off. Besides that, he looked horrible in his last fight.

Wilder refused to travel to the UK. So the sensible thing was always for Fury to walk away from the immediate rematch and try to establish himself as a name in America in his own right. He had to know he would get no favours in the US after the fiasco on the score cards the last time.

Yeh, well he’s fought twice in Vegas and ESPN+.. made numerous appearances on WWE. He ain’t done bad at all.

Finkel wrote: ↑28 Dec 2019, 12:11

Bandog wrote: ↑28 Dec 2019, 07:34 I think this fight we will see Wilder start fast, hitting Fury's mid-section with big shots, before setting up the KO shot. Fury will have his moments for sure, but I still think he is spooked from the last fight near KO. Why else has he put the fight off. Besides that, he looked horrible in his last fight.

Wilder refused to travel to the UK. So the sensible thing was always for Fury to walk away from the immediate rematch and try to establish himself as a name in America in his own right. He had to know he would get no favours in the US after the fiasco on the score cards the last time.

It had nothing to do with Wilder not traveling to the UK as far as I know. Fury pulled out of the immediate rematch after he signed with Top Rank, who didn't want him to fight it right away, but ultimately Fury made that decision.

Bandog wrote: ↑28 Dec 2019, 13:50

Finkel wrote: ↑28 Dec 2019, 12:11

Wilder refused to travel to the UK. So the sensible thing was always for Fury to walk away from the immediate rematch and try to establish himself as a name in America in his own right. He had to know he would get no favours in the US after the fiasco on the score cards the last time.

It had nothing to do with Wilder not traveling to the UK as far as I know. Fury pulled out of the immediate rematch after he signed with Top Rank, who didn't want him to fight it right away, but ultimately Fury made that decision.

Yeh it was Arum who first wanted to build Fury’s US ‘profile’

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑28 Dec 2019, 18:19

Bandog wrote: ↑28 Dec 2019, 13:50

It had nothing to do with Wilder not traveling to the UK as far as I know. Fury pulled out of the immediate rematch after he signed with Top Rank, who didn't want him to fight it right away, but ultimately Fury made that decision.

Yeh it was Arum who first wanted to build Fury’s US ‘profile’

December 2nd
Warren went to the media the day after the first fight, saying he wanted it in the UK and they wouldn't fight in LA again.

Later they started touting the idea of a stadium fight at Old Trafford, Manchester, UK.
But understand there is more money in Vegas.

January 28th
Boxing Scene reports a deal has been pushed through for the Barclay's Center and is there to be signed. A venue that Wilder fights at regularly, with connections to the PBC.

The writing is on the wall if that goes through. You just need to look at the cards for the Spilzka fight to see that. Fury's team isn't stupid.

February 18th
It is reported that Fury has signed with ESPN, and the plug is pulled on the immediate rematch.

Fury believes the deal makes a rematch with Deontay Wilder "more makeable".

Asked about negotiations for bouts with the division's biggest names, Warren said: "They will now have to come to us."

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑28 Dec 2019, 18:19

Bandog wrote: ↑28 Dec 2019, 13:50

It had nothing to do with Wilder not traveling to the UK as far as I know. Fury pulled out of the immediate rematch after he signed with Top Rank, who didn't want him to fight it right away, but ultimately Fury made that decision.

Yeh it was Arum who first wanted to build Fury’s US ‘profile’

I don't think it was a bad idea really. With a memorable performance for Fury against Schwarz, and a dramatic fight with Wallin, plus the WWE appearance coupled with Wilder getting two spectacular knockout title defenses. The fight is probably bigger going into 2020 than it would've been had they just fought the rematch straight away so this is one case where the marinating worked out alright.

It's always a risky proposition though.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑28 Dec 2019, 22:10

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑28 Dec 2019, 18:19

Yeh it was Arum who first wanted to build Fury’s US ‘profile’

I don't think it was a bad idea really. With a memorable performance for Fury against Schwarz, and a dramatic fight with Wallin, plus the WWE appearance coupled with Wilder getting two spectacular knockout title defenses. The fight is probably bigger going into 2020 than it would've been had they just fought the rematch straight away so this is one case where the marinating worked out alright.

It's always a risky proposition though.

You think? I haven't heard anyone talk about it, a few did after the first one.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑29 Dec 2019, 03:33

gilgamesh wrote: ↑28 Dec 2019, 22:10

I don't think it was a bad idea really. With a memorable performance for Fury against Schwarz, and a dramatic fight with Wallin, plus the WWE appearance coupled with Wilder getting two spectacular knockout title defenses. The fight is probably bigger going into 2020 than it would've been had they just fought the rematch straight away so this is one case where the marinating worked out alright.

It's always a risky proposition though.

You think? I haven't heard anyone talk about it, a few did after the first one.

I would just think the additional appearances exposed them to more people. I don't talk to a lot of people about this sorta thing in the normal world so I don't know what the hell people think about it or indeed IF they think about it

gilgamesh wrote: ↑29 Dec 2019, 03:39

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑29 Dec 2019, 03:33

You think? I haven't heard anyone talk about it, a few did after the first one.

I would just think the additional appearances exposed them to more people. I don't talk to a lot of people about this sorta thing in the normal world so I don't know what the hell people think about it or indeed IF they think about it

I hear that, I'd guess only about 1 in 300 in this country have seen a fight in the last year.

There will be no automatic third fight between Deontay Wilder and Tyson Fury, although the loser of their clash on February 22 will be able to demand a straight return for a smaller cut of the purse.

It had been reported that a third fight would happen this summer, but Bob Arum, Fury’s US promoter, said it has to be triggered by the loser.

Both parties have agreed a 50-50 split for the February 22 fight, which will be on pay-per-view TV in both the US and UK, but the loser will get the short end of the purse in any third fight.

“The deal is that the loser of the fight can ask for a third fight, and he gets 40 percent to the winner’s 60 percent,” Arum said. “So if Wilder loses the fight, he doesn’t necessarily have to ask for a rematch.”

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑27 Dec 2019, 19:07 Depends where he is punching from, Wilder needs length on that right hand and has hardly ever done much up close, perhaps Fury could smother him inside. Though I just expect the same game plan from Fury, movement with occasional flicking

Fury has longer reach and can make it work on every distance. And he has heavy hands, other than so much weight and width to utilize.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑29 Dec 2019, 08:57 There will be no automatic third fight between Deontay Wilder and Tyson Fury, although the loser of their clash on February 22 will be able to demand a straight return for a smaller cut of the purse.

It had been reported that a third fight would happen this summer, but Bob Arum, Fury’s US promoter, said it has to be triggered by the loser.

Both parties have agreed a 50-50 split for the February 22 fight, which will be on pay-per-view TV in both the US and UK, but the loser will get the short end of the purse in any third fight.

“The deal is that the loser of the fight can ask for a third fight, and he gets 40 percent to the winner’s 60 percent,” Arum said. “So if Wilder loses the fight, he doesn’t necessarily have to ask for a rematch.”

A third bout will be determined by the success or failure of the ppv.
If the ppv produces a good buyrate the loser will want the third fight.

Finkel wrote: ↑28 Dec 2019, 21:31

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑28 Dec 2019, 18:19

Yeh it was Arum who first wanted to build Fury’s US ‘profile’

December 2nd
Warren went to the media the day after the first fight, saying he wanted it in the UK and they wouldn't fight in LA again.

Later they started touting the idea of a stadium fight at Old Trafford, Manchester, UK.
But understand there is more money in Vegas.

January 28th
Boxing Scene reports a deal has been pushed through for the Barclay's Center and is there to be signed. A venue that Wilder fights at regularly, with connections to the PBC.

The writing is on the wall if that goes through. You just need to look at the cards for the Spilzka fight to see that. Fury's team isn't stupid.

February 18th
It is reported that Fury has signed with ESPN, and the plug is pulled on the immediate rematch.

Fury believes the deal makes a rematch with Deontay Wilder "more makeable".

Asked about negotiations for bouts with the division's biggest names, Warren said: "They will now have to come to us."

Hmm, I thought you would have shown some evidence of Wilder saying he refused to fight in the UK, and was the reason the rematch was delayed?

Bandog wrote: ↑29 Dec 2019, 16:51

Finkel wrote: ↑28 Dec 2019, 21:31

December 2nd
Warren went to the media the day after the first fight, saying he wanted it in the UK and they wouldn't fight in LA again.

Later they started touting the idea of a stadium fight at Old Trafford, Manchester, UK.
But understand there is more money in Vegas.

January 28th
Boxing Scene reports a deal has been pushed through for the Barclay's Center and is there to be signed. A venue that Wilder fights at regularly, with connections to the PBC.

The writing is on the wall if that goes through. You just need to look at the cards for the Spilzka fight to see that. Fury's team isn't stupid.

February 18th
It is reported that Fury has signed with ESPN, and the plug is pulled on the immediate rematch.

Hmm, I thought you would have shown some evidence of Wilder saying he refused to fight in the UK, and was the reason the rematch was delayed?

Anyone who has followed the saga knows it was Fury's team who delayed the rematch.
Wilder wanted an immediate rematch and has fought the tougher opposition since.
Fury has wasted his time with scrubs and wrestling.

I picked Fury by decision, though I did it with no real conviction. I suppose it’s any man’s fight. We’ll see..

tiny_acres wrote: ↑29 Dec 2019, 17:31

Bandog wrote: ↑29 Dec 2019, 16:51

Hmm, I thought you would have shown some evidence of Wilder saying he refused to fight in the UK, and was the reason the rematch was delayed?

Anyone who has followed the saga knows it was Fury's team who delayed the rematch.
Wilder wanted an immediate rematch and has fought the tougher opposition since.
Fury has wasted his time with scrubs and wrestling.

Sorry this is a long reply:

I followed it extremely closely at the time. I would say the actions of Wilder's side speak just as loudly as those of Fury's side.

I agree that of course Wilder's team wanted an immediate rematch. It was no advantage for them to give Fury another year to potentially improve his fitness and get back to his best. But you can't ignore that to get that immediate rematch they had to soften on the venue.

After all, why would/should Fury's team agree to an immediate rematch on Wilder's home turf, after the state of the score cards in the first fight?

So I would say it was pretty obvious that the only way an immediate rematch would happen would be in the UK or neutral ground.

Wilder's team made it clear they had no intention to travel outside their comfort zone when they pushed ahead on the Barclays center. Nothing difficult to understand about that.

Warren suggested signing the ESPN contract allowed Fury's team to negotiate from a stronger position, and have the fight on relatively equal terms.

But yeah, I cannoy deny that Arum loves to marinade a fight. I can't say that won't have played a part in the decision. But it was also obvious and necessary for Fury to try to establish himself as a Vegas resident as to reduce the potential of getting screwed on the cards should it go the distance.

But then again, that's if it even goes to the cards. Because I do agree with you that Wilder has been fighting the tougher opposition and is possibly better prepared going into the rematch than Fury with his recent change of trainers and WWE shenanigans.

Lewis discovered that taking your eye off the ball and getting involved in all that extra stuff was not the best preparation for a world title fight

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑30 Dec 2019, 06:18

Finky my man are you Candy?

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑30 Dec 2019, 13:43 Finky my man are you Candy?

LOL! Whatever happened to Ole Mr. Slim?

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑30 Dec 2019, 13:43 Finky my man are you Candy?

Just did a wild card search on Candy*

Nah, I'm not CandySlim, though it does seem we have extremely similar views on the boxing politics of Wilder and the PBC/WBC.

As for what happened to him, it would appear he got fed up with getting into arguments across multiple threads on the same day with a certain partisan Wilder supporter ...

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Finkel wrote: ↑30 Dec 2019, 17:16

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑30 Dec 2019, 13:43 Finky my man are you Candy?

Just did a wild card search on Candy*

Nah, I'm not CandySlim, though it does seem we have extremely similar views on the boxing politics of Wilder and the PBC/WBC.

As for what happened to him, it would appear he got fed up with getting into arguments across multiple threads on the same day with a certain partisan Wilder supporter ...

search.php?keywords=&terms=all&author=C ... mit=Search

Too bad if that's why he hasn't been around.