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lazboy wrote: ↑15 Jan 2020, 02:49 Everyone (meaning a couple of posts I have seen lately ) gives Fury strife for being boring. Have you seen a Deontay Wilder paw fest? Fury's been in some stinkers no question, Fury Klit would be the pinnacle however he's also brought the action. Fury Cunningham comes to mind, his most recent fights have been half decent in terms of spectacle.

Much like Roy Jones, Wilder is forgiven for round after round of safety first fencing because he ultimately KO's the fighter. Wilder is a devastating puncher but is also a cautious fighter most of the time. That makes him more cerebral and dangerous but also he stinks out rounds.

True. Wilder waits as much as it takes to set his right hand and find a window to deliver it. He's not a slugger or a swarmer.

Bigdogsnose wrote: ↑15 Jan 2020, 03:54 I think wilder ko’s him this time. 24 rounds is a long time for anyone to be in a ring with wilder. No doubt fury will clown him, make him miss and look bad for a lot of rounds but wilder doesn’t care... he just wants the KO. Probably more hunch than anything else but wilders a bit of a freak and he’ll stop him at some point.

Probably but it all depends on Fury's shape. If Fury comes in a tremendous shape and stick to his game plan then Wilder is gonna hit the air for all 12 rounds.

This time Fury should stick on him like superglue and rough him up inside. He is stronger bigger and a lot better inside.

stevec@france wrote: ↑15 Jan 2020, 04:25 Well he predicted a two round slugfest !!

not his thing really but lets see ..

Wilder only has power in the right hand if presented with a static target ie Ortiz / Brezeale / Stiverne for example who were unable to move quickly enough and did not fire back to coincide with Wilders attacks , how he copes with real power shots coming his way as well as good defensive movements is less clear.

Yup. Wilder needs a kind of a stiff opponent to get his right hand on target.

lazboy wrote: ↑15 Jan 2020, 04:28

stevec@france wrote: ↑15 Jan 2020, 04:25 Well he predicted a two round slugfest !!

not his thing really but lets see ..

Wilder only has power in the right hand if presented with a static target ie Ortiz / Brezeale / Stiverne for example who were unable to move quickly enough and did not fire back to coincide with Wilders attacks , how he copes with real power shots coming his way as well as good defensive movements is less clear.

This is why we’ve been begging for AJ Wilder. Ffs that fight needs to happen, shameful.

Wilder would knockout AJ atm. I think this fight will eventually happen but let Wilder to age and fade a little. After AJ's weaknesses were exposed by Ruiz Jr in their first match and also being 30 y/o I guess AJ is not gonna rush in big-risky fights for a while.

apollo creed wrote: ↑15 Jan 2020, 05:13

Bigdogsnose wrote: ↑15 Jan 2020, 03:54 I think wilder ko’s him this time. 24 rounds is a long time for anyone to be in a ring with wilder. No doubt fury will clown him, make him miss and look bad for a lot of rounds but wilder doesn’t care... he just wants the KO. Probably more hunch than anything else but wilders a bit of a freak and he’ll stop him at some point.

Probably but it all depends on Fury's shape. If Fury comes in a tremendous shape and stick to his game plan then Wilder is gonna hit the air for all 12 rounds.

I dunno, I thought despite his absence Fury was in pretty much as good as shape as we have seen him in the first fight and he still got clobbered a couple of times. There's a good chance he's slipped a bit since as he's been pissing about too much for my liking, hunger might have went a bit with the top rank deal.

Its the intangibles for me with wilder. He stays hungry, wants to hurt people and is has a self belief(more so than Fury which I think is lightly a façade). I think he'll catch Fury off a break or early in a round with a one two at some point - its where my moneys going anyway.

After watching the first Wilder—Fury bout, it was clear that Deontay Wilder is seriously lacking in boxing fundamentals, because he was comprehensively out-boxed.

However, ‘The Bronze Bomber’ only needed to be on point for a few seconds during that 36-minute fight to knockdown Tyson Fury twice to almost win the bout and to make the judges’ scorecards close.

Deontay also looked pretty poor in the two warm-up fights for the Fury rematch, when he KO’d Dominic Breazeale and Luis Ortiz. And once again, all he needed was a few seconds’ worth of perfection in order beat both foes.

In terms of Tyson Fury’s preparation for the Wilder rematch, he doesn’t really need to do anything different. He’s already got a fantastic engine and there’s no denying that the Brit’s pugilistic skills are vastly superior than those possessed by the WBC champion.

What Fury needs to focus on is refining his game-plan and avoid getting hit. It might be an idea to become more aggressive and to give Wilder a reason to be cautious, to prevent the American from throwing his right-hand bombs with reckless abandon.

In stark contrast, Wilder just needs those few seconds of “perfection” in order to land that right hand.

It’s a tough fight to call, because it could very easily end up being a one-sided victory for either man, because ‘The Bronze Bomber’ is capable of ending the fight at any point in time (from the opening bell of the first round, through until the dying seconds of the 12th) by landing a single shot, but the Brit is also capable of dominating the bout en route to gaining a 120-108 type shutdown win on the judges' scorecards.

I've said it before, but think a viscous body attack to Fury's midsection is the key for Wilder that ultimately sets up the KO. Wilder can miss a lot to Fury's head, but I can't see how he can miss Fury's body. In addition to that, a stiff jab more often will help too, rather than just following Fury around the ring swinging wild.

If Fury's last fight is any indication how he will perform, he is in trouble. Whatever the result, I hope it leaves no questions this time.

apollo creed wrote: ↑15 Jan 2020, 05:01

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑14 Jan 2020, 19:22 How in the world could anyone want to see another performance like that?

That performance was boxing&clowning at the elite level.

It was awful, if he fights like that he'll get smashed.

Bigdogsnose wrote: ↑15 Jan 2020, 05:46

apollo creed wrote: ↑15 Jan 2020, 05:13

Probably but it all depends on Fury's shape. If Fury comes in a tremendous shape and stick to his game plan then Wilder is gonna hit the air for all 12 rounds.

I dunno, I thought despite his absence Fury was in pretty much as good as shape as we have seen him in the first fight and he still got clobbered a couple of times. There's a good chance he's slipped a bit since as he's been pissing about too much for my liking, hunger might have went a bit with the top rank deal.

Its the intangibles for me with wilder. He stays hungry, wants to hurt people and is has a self belief(more so than Fury which I think is lightly a façade). I think he'll catch Fury off a break or early in a round with a one two at some point - its where my moneys going anyway.

Indeed, Wilder strongly believes in his punching power and that if he connects clean with his right hand then even Godzilla would go down. I saw that Wilder is really patient and economical until he is throwing his right hand. But Fury is a SHW that moves like Pernell Whitaker.

The Gypsy King will pull out his own performance, which was when he bewildered Wilder for the first time. Now everything will be exactly the same except a one thing: Fury won't be down.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑15 Jan 2020, 06:21 After watching the first Wilder—Fury bout, it was clear that Deontay Wilder is seriously lacking in boxing fundamentals, because he was comprehensively out-boxed.

However, ‘The Bronze Bomber’ only needed to be on point for a few seconds during that 36-minute fight to knockdown Tyson Fury twice to almost win the bout and to make the judges’ scorecards close.

Deontay also looked pretty poor in the two warm-up fights for the Fury rematch, when he KO’d Dominic Breazeale and Luis Ortiz. And once again, all he needed was a few seconds’ worth of perfection in order beat both foes.

In terms of Tyson Fury’s preparation for the Wilder rematch, he doesn’t really need to do anything different. He’s already got a fantastic engine and there’s no denying that the Brit’s pugilistic skills are vastly superior than those possessed by the WBC champion.

What Fury needs to focus on is refining his game-plan and avoid getting hit. It might be an idea to become more aggressive and to give Wilder a reason to be cautious, to prevent the American from throwing his right-hand bombs with reckless abandon.

In stark contrast, Wilder just needs those few seconds of “perfection” in order to land that right hand.

It’s a tough fight to call, because it could very easily end up being a one-sided victory for either man, because ‘The Bronze Bomber’ is capable of ending the fight at any point in time (from the opening bell of the first round, through until the dying seconds of the 12th) by landing a single shot, but the Brit is also capable of dominating the bout en route to gaining a 120-108 type shutdown win on the judges' scorecards.

Yup. Fury has all the skills in boxing to outbox Wilder and Wilder has all the KO power in boxing to T/K.O Fury. Normally the more skilled fighter should win comfortably.

DrDuke wrote: ↑15 Jan 2020, 12:34 The Gypsy King will pull out his own performance, which was when he bewildered Wilder for the first time. Now everything will be exactly the same except a one thing: Fury won't be down.

I hope so.

Bandog wrote: ↑15 Jan 2020, 06:57 I've said it before, but think a viscous body attack to Fury's midsection is the key for Wilder that ultimately sets up the KO. Wilder can miss a lot to Fury's head, but I can't see how he can miss Fury's body. In addition to that, a stiff jab more often will help too, rather than just following Fury around the ring swinging wild.

If Fury's last fight is any indication how he will perform, he is in trouble. Whatever the result, I hope it leaves no questions this time.

That was something that surprised me about the first fight. Wilder had some early success going to the body, but then just started head hunting.

You would think that would be the game plan, go to the body, slow fury down for the later rounds to land the right hand down the line.

apollo creed wrote: ↑15 Jan 2020, 05:13

Bigdogsnose wrote: ↑15 Jan 2020, 03:54 I think wilder ko’s him this time. 24 rounds is a long time for anyone to be in a ring with wilder. No doubt fury will clown him, make him miss and look bad for a lot of rounds but wilder doesn’t care... he just wants the KO. Probably more hunch than anything else but wilders a bit of a freak and he’ll stop him at some point.

Probably but it all depends on Fury's shape. If Fury comes in a tremendous shape and stick to his game plan then Wilder is gonna hit the air for all 12 rounds.

And why somebody will pay 100$ to watch Fury doing Wlad for 12 rounds? Even additional clowning not worth it...
I’ll pay only ~3$ to watch it during morning coffee (I’m from Israel), to look for Wilder’s right bomb-)))

I feel it will be re-run of the 2nd Ortiz fight minus the KO.
If Wilder fights like that again, by giving all the rounds away then he will become pretty deseprate to KO Fury but won't

Winter king wrote: ↑15 Jan 2020, 05:16 This time Fury should stick on him like superglue and rough him up inside. He is stronger bigger and a lot better inside.

Yep. Wilder can only land his super KO punch long and straight

Bandog wrote: ↑15 Jan 2020, 06:57 I've said it before, but think a viscous body attack to Fury's midsection is the key for Wilder that ultimately sets up the KO. Wilder can miss a lot to Fury's head, but I can't see how he can miss Fury's body. In addition to that, a stiff jab more often will help too, rather than just following Fury around the ring swinging wild.

If Fury's last fight is any indication how he will perform, he is in trouble. Whatever the result, I hope it leaves no questions this time.

Never gonna happen. Wilder isn't Ricky Hatton, he can't sustain a viscous body attack. 1) he can't box from close range... 2) watch him throw a body shot, leans forward with his chin up in the air

It's a great matchup, no one knows which way it will go.
And the Ortiz bout, Ortiz was winning, and seemed to be turning the screws on Wilder, when all of a sudden, bam, ko.

No one can really say what should be done. It's all such high stakes moves, over aggression, or obvious body hunting can be spotted by the opponent, and punished severely.

Fury will hope to be in better match fitness and be able to keep up a higher pace, punishing Wilder more, and may come in a little heavier.
Wilder will hope that his bouts with top contenders have kept him razor sharp, and will believe that he can hurt fury again & finish him off.

Incidentally the skills shown against Wilder last time were more impressive, in particular the slipping of punches, and combination attacks.
The Klitschko performance was effective no doubt, but wlad was too mechanical, ponderous, and hesitant. Not many exchanges, or good punches thrown.

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑16 Jan 2020, 11:33

Bandog wrote: ↑15 Jan 2020, 06:57 I've said it before, but think a viscous body attack to Fury's midsection is the key for Wilder that ultimately sets up the KO. Wilder can miss a lot to Fury's head, but I can't see how he can miss Fury's body. In addition to that, a stiff jab more often will help too, rather than just following Fury around the ring swinging wild.

If Fury's last fight is any indication how he will perform, he is in trouble. Whatever the result, I hope it leaves no questions this time.

Never gonna happen. Wilder isn't Ricky Hatton, he can't sustain a viscous body attack. 1) he can't box from close range... 2) watch him throw a body shot, leans forward with his chin up in the air

I agree. He can't sustain a body attack because it leaves him vulnerable. If Wilder lands he needs it to be over. He could burn himself out trying to finish Fury.

I also feel though that his right hand didn't land flush in the first fight. I still slightly favour him but this is such a fascinating match up...

Ezzard wrote: ↑17 Jan 2020, 04:38

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑16 Jan 2020, 11:33

Never gonna happen. Wilder isn't Ricky Hatton, he can't sustain a viscous body attack. 1) he can't box from close range... 2) watch him throw a body shot, leans forward with his chin up in the air

I agree. He can't sustain a body attack because it leaves him vulnerable. If Wilder lands he needs it to be over. He could burn himself out trying to finish Fury.

I also feel though that his right hand didn't land flush in the first fight. I still slightly favour him but this is such a fascinating match up...

I just can't see him being successful without more of a body attack vs Fury. Imagine what even one huge liver shot or one heavy shot to Fury's solar plexus would do to him. I think it would be worth the risk. He wouldn't even have to sustain a constant attack. I could be wrong, yes, but would like to see him try.

i think tyson will knock wilder out , and i aint joking check my post from the past , i called tyson points v klitscho, tyson stop chisora fight 2, had tyson points wilder 1, but this one i think the big man will stop wilder,

I certainly hope he tries. Will make for a more exciting fight.

kbackup408 wrote: ↑14 Jan 2020, 18:31

apollo creed wrote: ↑14 Jan 2020, 16:04 This time a have the feeling Wilder's right hand gets the job done via T/K.O. Anyway I hope Fury will prove me wrong.

Fury is too smart, the lad was sent to a different universe and still found a way of waking up

Although give him credit for getting up and coming back in the 12th, he wasn’t caught cleanly (chin) or temple with either shot. He was not out. Watch the replays.

Bandog wrote: ↑18 Jan 2020, 07:59

Ezzard wrote: ↑17 Jan 2020, 04:38

I agree. He can't sustain a body attack because it leaves him vulnerable. If Wilder lands he needs it to be over. He could burn himself out trying to finish Fury.

I also feel though that his right hand didn't land flush in the first fight. I still slightly favour him but this is such a fascinating match up...

I just can't see him being successful without more of a body attack vs Fury. Imagine what even one huge liver shot or one heavy shot to Fury's solar plexus would do to him. I think it would be worth the risk. He wouldn't even have to sustain a constant attack. I could be wrong, yes, but would like to see him try.

Some people just don't fight like that