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Thomastearns wrote: ↑22 Jan 2020, 17:03

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑22 Jan 2020, 12:13 Canelo 1
Jacobs
Lemieux
Derevo
Canelo 2

Not a bad list is it? Especially bearing in mind he was always the older fighter going into these bouts. Completely the opposite of the fabled Mayweather/Canelo strategy.

Also bear in mind how much precious time GGG lost waiting for Canelo to find a pen, and then to get clean (if he ever did). Not to mention all the Goldenboy timewasting shenanigans. Each time they fought Canelo needed dragging into the ring.

I always believed Golovkin when he said he wanted all the belts, when he wanted all the big names, when he always wanted to bring a big drama show.

Alas, those were the days before he needed the services of any ringside judges!

Oh well, at least now Gennady will be able to walk away from boxing with his pockets full.

apollo creed wrote: ↑22 Jan 2020, 09:24 Canelo I
Jacobs
Derevyanchenko
Murray (very underrated win b/c Murray pretty much beat Martinez&Sturm before)
Lemieux

squiggy wrote: ↑22 Jan 2020, 21:18 In my opinion, people who claim that GGG-Canelo 2 was a clear win either way are basically letting you know that they're biased in favor of one or the other. 'cause to me it looked an awful lot like Canelo building a bit of a points lead and Golovkin then coming back and more or less erasing it.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑22 Jan 2020, 21:47

apollo creed wrote: ↑22 Jan 2020, 09:24 Canelo I
Jacobs
Derevyanchenko
Murray (very underrated win b/c Murray pretty much beat Martinez&Sturm before)
Lemieux

Seems about right.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑23 Jan 2020, 05:00 I really don’t know why people think Kell Brook is one of GGG’s best wins…

The British 147lb-er has never scored a clear-cut decisive victory over any universally-recognised top-ten world class welterweight opponent, let alone a middleweight.

Even the UK TV network pundits from Sky and Box-Nation thought he deserved to lose the Shawn Porter bout.

And yet somehow people feel this was one of Gennadiy’s best five wins?

If this is true, then GGG’s resume must be pretty shoddy.

squiggy wrote: ↑22 Jan 2020, 21:18 In my opinion, people who claim that GGG-Canelo 2 was a clear win either way are basically letting you know that they're biased in favor of one or the other. 'cause to me it looked an awful lot like Canelo building a bit of a points lead and Golovkin then coming back and more or less erasing it.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑23 Jan 2020, 13:05

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑23 Jan 2020, 05:00 I really don’t know why people think Kell Brook is one of GGG’s best wins…

The British 147lb-er has never scored a clear-cut decisive victory over any universally-recognised top-ten world class welterweight opponent, let alone a middleweight.

Even the UK TV network pundits from Sky and Box-Nation thought he deserved to lose the Shawn Porter bout.

And yet somehow people feel this was one of Gennadiy’s best five wins?

If this is true, then GGG’s resume must be pretty shoddy.

Porter is definitely conclusively Top 10.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑23 Jan 2020, 13:05

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑23 Jan 2020, 05:00 I really don’t know why people think Kell Brook is one of GGG’s best wins…

The British 147lb-er has never scored a clear-cut decisive victory over any universally-recognised top-ten world class welterweight opponent, let alone a middleweight.

Even the UK TV network pundits from Sky and Box-Nation thought he deserved to lose the Shawn Porter bout.

And yet somehow people feel this was one of Gennadiy’s best five wins?

If this is true, then GGG’s resume must be pretty shoddy.

Porter is definitely conclusively Top 10.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑23 Jan 2020, 13:22 His win over Porter was clear cut

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑23 Jan 2020, 13:20

gilgamesh wrote: ↑23 Jan 2020, 13:05

Porter is definitely conclusively Top 10.

“Clear-cut decisive”

apollo creed wrote: ↑23 Jan 2020, 13:24

gilgamesh wrote: ↑23 Jan 2020, 13:05

Porter is definitely conclusively Top 10.

True. Brook did a good job vs Porter.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑23 Jan 2020, 13:30 And it was clear cut.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑23 Jan 2020, 13:38

gilgamesh wrote: ↑23 Jan 2020, 13:30 And it was clear cut.

Even if it was close it's still a great win. This retard is wrong in every post he makes and then battles the same semantics he did himself in with for pages on end. Probably the worst poster ever.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑23 Jan 2020, 13:40

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑23 Jan 2020, 13:38

Even if it was close it's still a great win. This retard is wrong in every post he makes and then battles the same semantics he did himself in with for pages on end. Probably the worst poster ever.

Yeah I mean it was definitely a close fight, but I felt like Brook via 115-113 or 116-112 really wasn't in doubt. I certainly don't recall any calls of "robbery" like we so frequently here after even remotely close fights.

Nobody thought Porter had been robbed, because they knew there was no argument to be made in his favor, and that's saying something because there's almost always somebody that reaches for the 'ol "highway robbery" line anytime there's a close decision.

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑22 Jan 2020, 17:15

Thomastearns wrote: ↑22 Jan 2020, 17:03

Not a bad list is it? Especially bearing in mind he was always the older fighter going into these bouts. Completely the opposite of the fabled Mayweather/Canelo strategy.

Also bear in mind how much precious time GGG lost waiting for Canelo to find a pen, and then to get clean (if he ever did). Not to mention all the Goldenboy timewasting shenanigans. Each time they fought Canelo needed dragging into the ring.

I always believed Golovkin when he said he wanted all the belts, when he wanted all the big names, when he always wanted to bring a big drama show.

Alas, those were the days before he needed the services of any ringside judges!

Oh well, at least now Gennady will be able to walk away from boxing with his pockets full.

I wish Golovkin didn't listen to anybody and in spite of pressure from Team Canelo fought BJS for the only belt he was missing. Canelo fight wasn't going anywhere. Canelo needed Golovkin to propel him to super-stardom.

Thomastearns wrote: ↑23 Jan 2020, 14:26

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑22 Jan 2020, 17:15
I wish Golovkin didn't listen to anybody and in spite of pressure from Team Canelo fought BJS for the only belt he was missing. Canelo fight wasn't going anywhere. Canelo needed Golovkin to propel him to super-stardom.

Agreed, a fight with BJS would have secured all the belts - but as you know hindsight's a great thing, especially in the endless 'what if' circus world of boxing.

Everybody at that time was clamouring for the Canelo fight, everyone apart from Canelo that is. Saul was busy delaying things for as long as possible - even going to the extraordinary lengths of failing a drugs test to gain a little more time.

Anyway at that time no fight seemed easy for team GGG to secure, let alone one with that other awkwardly unpredictable drug cheat Billy Joe.

To Saunders credit he had no trouble admitting that it was only once Golovkin had passed his peak that he finally had any chance of defeating him.

But alas, that was before the biggest robbery (and perhaps the most corrupt scorecard ever seen) in modern day boxing was witnessed in front of surprised millions.

The second fight which could have been more plausibly called a draw saw the hard won belts going to the clutches of the Canelo cartel.

Not even one of the three ringside judges were willing to score it for the longtime defending champion. Sheesh, and we thought Leonard/Hearns 2 was bad!

We all know Gennady loves to say "This is boxing, this is business" as if he always understood what that stood for.

I bet he understands those words a whole lot better now.

Anyway, I'm pretty certain that virtually any boxer who has ever laced up would agree that taking the money and running is ultimately a better idea than going for glory where you are always only just a chess piece in someone else's game.