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It of course exists for evey weight class. Usually you only hear about hw because its easier to track since its the heaviest division

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑31 Jan 2020, 12:48 It of course exists for evey weight class. Usually you only hear about hw because its easier to track since its the heaviest division

True, also fury is the only fighter that cares he has it. Most probably don't even know.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑31 Jan 2020, 12:09

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑31 Jan 2020, 11:11Correct, but then in order to start a new lineage, you need to unify all major titles. We will never know who was better, Wlad or Vitaly, because they refused to fight each other.

Even though Vitali was rated 2nd at the time, the brothers were never going to fight.

And that exactly was a problem preventing Wlad from starting a new lineage.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑31 Jan 2020, 12:09 Even if you disagree with Wladimir earning his lineal championship in this manner, he definitely earned it when he beat Kubrat Pulev, since it was the top-two heavyweights facing each other, after Vitali had retired.

In which delusional world was Pulev the second best HW? Also, what does it have to do with lineage anyway.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑31 Jan 2020, 12:09 The titles don’t have to be unified for the vacant lineal championship to be fought for, since all it requires is the two highest-rated fighters to compete against each other.

Where is "all it requires" condition coming from? There are no official rules for starting a lineage. Becoming an undisputed champion certainly achieves that. Otherwise, it is somebody's personal opinion.

The biggest argument against imo is that didn't he say he retired? That should end any status

Lineal is pretty lol too, at least when ppl just cling to it . I mean, it's the only 'title' with 0 oblgations

And even more pertinent, 0 earning potential.

Yes, fury was lineal champ when he beat wlad.
Aj then beat Klitschko to become no.1 , but wasn't undisputed because Wilder was around.
Fury then comes back fat, and is unlucky to only get a draw v Wilder.
Aj takes a loss, and now fury & Wilder are 1 & 2 & fighting for the ring title.
So yes, fury is lineal champ.

I wish I know Lennox opinion..

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑31 Jan 2020, 13:06

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑31 Jan 2020, 12:09 Even if you disagree with Wladimir earning his lineal championship in this manner, he definitely earned it when he beat Kubrat Pulev, since it was the top-two heavyweights facing each other, after Vitali had retired.

In which delusional world was Pulev the second best HW? Also, what does it have to do with lineage anyway.

I don’t what to say. Pulev was rated 2nd at heavyweight by The RING and other media outlets when he faced Wladimir, who was ranked 1st.

Also, please research the justification for Wladimir gaining the lineal championship when he beat Chagaev.

I haven’t expressed a personal opinion, because all I did was convey real world facts.

Instead of telling me I’m WRONG and accusing me of being a liar, do some research.

Nope, as he was suspendend and out for two years and a half. However, he is still the most tricky guy to beat in the heavy division.

Fury has the best case to be considered lineal.

People latching into the 'retirement' are just clutching at straws.

But in reality the lineal championship hasn't meant much for about 50 years.

Although I'd rather scrap all the belts and get back to a lineal system

Ha, that's another thing with lineal, take all the drugs you want and even get caught for it

It won't matter if you announce your retirement, or if you cheat with PEDs and get caught, or if you spend like 3 years out after popping hot and saying your retired, STILL CHAMP, at least if you're big Tys

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑01 Feb 2020, 10:34 Ha, that's another thing with lineal, take all the drugs you want and even get caught for it

It won't matter if you announce your retirement, or if you cheat with PEDs and get caught, or if you spend like 3 years out after popping hot and saying your retired, STILL CHAMP, at least if you're big Tys

I see they still let you live under the boxrec bridge

Let's see

-Tests positive for PEDs
-Publically announces his retirement
-Spends like 3 years inactive
-Hasn't beat a legit contender or champ in 5 years


LINEAL CHAMP FOR LIFE

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑31 Jan 2020, 13:06

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑31 Jan 2020, 12:09Even if you disagree with Wladimir earning his lineal championship in this manner [against Chagaev], he definitely earned it when he beat Kubrat Pulev, since it was the top-two heavyweights facing each other, after Vitali had retired.

In which delusional world was Pulev the second best HW?

Here’s a hyperlink to The RING ratings for the heavyweight division for the 9th November 2014, which was six days prior to their bout:

Champion - Wladimir Klitschko
1 - Kubrat Pulev
2 - Alexander Povetkin
3 - Bermane Stiverne
4 - Tyson Fury
5 - Bryant Jennings
6 - Deontay Wilder
7 - Vyacheslav Glazkov
8 - Mike Perez
9 - Chris Arreola
10 - Tomasz Adamek

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑01 Feb 2020, 10:39 Let's see

-Tests positive for PEDs
-Publically announces his retirement
-Spends like 3 years inactive
-Hasn't beat a legit contender or champ in 5 years


LINEAL CHAMP FOR LIFE

Worst ever poster on boxrec.

Quite an achievement

Well, soon Fury will get the green belt from Wilder this coming month. In 2 rounds.

Thanks mate, though who is the one posting about boxing and who is the other calling names. If I'm that bad a poster it's sure funny you spend that much time on me

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑01 Feb 2020, 10:43 Thanks mate, though who is the one posting about boxing and who is the other calling names. If I'm that bad a poster it's sure funny you spend that much time on me

How many times have you been banned and changed username now?

ewenhay wrote: ↑01 Feb 2020, 10:45

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑01 Feb 2020, 10:43 Thanks mate, though who is the one posting about boxing and who is the other calling names. If I'm that bad a poster it's sure funny you spend that much time on me

How many times have you been banned and changed username now?

Once, I was zealous in the Off Topic challenging mods about other posters being banned

Jamamb for life

And yet again Ewey more interested in me than boxing. I'm flattered mate, want an interview?

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑01 Feb 2020, 10:47

ewenhay wrote: ↑01 Feb 2020, 10:45


How many times have you been banned and changed username now?

Once, I was zealous in the Off Topic challenging mods about other posters being banned

Jamamb for life

And yet again Ewey more interested in me than boxing. I'm flattered mate, want an interview?

Your jamamb 'online character' was slightly more tolerable

Thanks for the feedback mate, if it's just 'slightly' then I guess I'll have to work hard to be a bigger pain in the arse

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑01 Feb 2020, 10:47

ewenhay wrote: ↑01 Feb 2020, 10:45


How many times have you been banned and changed username now?

Once, I was zealous in the Off Topic challenging mods about other posters being banned

Jamamb for life

And yet again Ewey more interested in me than boxing. I'm flattered mate, want an interview?

Nope, I haven't posted for weeks and you reply within seconds of my first post back with your usual nonsense

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑01 Feb 2020, 10:51 Thanks for the feedback mate, if it's just 'slightly' then I guess I'll have to work hard to be a bigger pain in the arse

Good luck with that

Paci wrote: ↑01 Feb 2020, 10:42 Well, soon Fury will get the green belt from Wilder this coming month. In 2 rounds.

More likely he will get a concussion and a loss on his record.

Thanks mate, glad I could answer some of your questions about me