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Finkel wrote: ↑20 Feb 2020, 02:55 Weird thread

I know man! Asking a question about boxing on a boxing forum! Whatever next? Cars driving on the road? People wearing shoes on their feet? The worlds gone mad

Stuarty wrote: ↑20 Feb 2020, 09:56

Finkel wrote: ↑20 Feb 2020, 02:55 Weird thread

I know man! Asking a question about boxing on a boxing forum! Whatever next? Cars driving on the road? People wearing shoes on their feet? The worlds gone mad

If you believe it was a genuine question...then sure...I guess it has

Finkel wrote: ↑20 Feb 2020, 11:08

Stuarty wrote: ↑20 Feb 2020, 09:56

I know man! Asking a question about boxing on a boxing forum! Whatever next? Cars driving on the road? People wearing shoes on their feet? The worlds gone mad

If you believe it was a genuine question...then sure...I guess it has

Stuarty wrote: ↑20 Feb 2020, 11:12

Finkel wrote: ↑20 Feb 2020, 11:08

If you believe it was a genuine question...then sure...I guess it has

Okay okay I'll play along.
Wilder has some good offensive skills.
He is good at pulling at his opponents guard to allow him to get off his own shots.
Also he uses his lead arm well enough for head control and keeping/judging distance, and masking the straight right. But he seems to be taking away punches from his repertoire not adding to it. So he runs the risk of his punch selection becoming very predictable.

He is good coming forward in his wide stance, but his footwork is all about setting himself for his main weapon. But he is often left off balance when he commits to his shots, this makes him look sloppy and draws attention and criticism to his style.

Defensively, you might occasionally see him try to catch a jab. Sometimes it looks like he is trying to use a stiff arm into his opponent shoulder to keep distance and stop them throwing, but I don't know if this is a conscious action on his part or just instinctive with his long arms. But his main defensive tactic is a high guard, which in itself is pretty rudimentary. It doesn't really give him advantages of being able to create space between him and his opponent as he can't push with it, it just makes him a target to throw at and break down. He might block shots with it, but he can't throw from it so I would say opponents generally want him to have the high guard.

Dropping his hands and using head movement definitely doesn't work for him.

So, yeah, he obviously has some skill, but it's pretty standard fair and not too the level that his fans project onto him.

Think people are pretty fair to him overall, and call it as they see it.

Finkel wrote: ↑20 Feb 2020, 11:54

Stuarty wrote: ↑20 Feb 2020, 11:12

Okay okay I'll play along.
Wilder has some good offensive skills.
He is good at pulling at his opponents guard to allow him to get off his own shots.
Also he uses his lead arm well enough for head control and keeping/judging distance.

He is good coming forward in his wide stance, but his footwork is all about setting himself for his main weapon. But he is often left off balance when he commits to his shots, this makes him look sloppy and draws attention and criticism to his style.

Defensively, you might occasionally see him try to catch a jab. Sometimes it looks like he is trying to use a stiff arm into his opponent shoulder to keep distance and stop them throwing, but I don't know if this is a conscious action on his part or just instinctive with his long arms. But his main defensive tactic is a high guard, which in itself is pretty rudimentary. It doesn't really give him advantages of being able to create space between him and his opponent as he can't push with it, it just makes him a target to throw at and break down. He might block shots with it, but he can't throw from it so I would say opponents generally want him to have the high guard.

Dropping his hands and using head movement definitely doesn't work for him.

So, yeah, he obviously has some skill, but it's pretty standard fair and not too the level that his fans project onto him.

Think people are pretty fair to him overall, and call it as they see it.

Why not just say all that in the first place instead of being so facetious

Stuarty wrote: ↑20 Feb 2020, 11:56

Finkel wrote: ↑20 Feb 2020, 11:54

Okay okay I'll play along.
Wilder has some good offensive skills.
He is good at pulling at his opponents guard to allow him to get off his own shots.
Also he uses his lead arm well enough for head control and keeping/judging distance.

He is good coming forward in his wide stance, but his footwork is all about setting himself for his main weapon. But he is often left off balance when he commits to his shots, this makes him look sloppy and draws attention and criticism to his style.

Defensively, you might occasionally see him try to catch a jab. Sometimes it looks like he is trying to use a stiff arm into his opponent shoulder to keep distance and stop them throwing, but I don't know if this is a conscious action on his part or just instinctive with his long arms. But his main defensive tactic is a high guard, which in itself is pretty rudimentary. It doesn't really give him advantages of being able to create space between him and his opponent as he can't push with it, it just makes him a target to throw at and break down. He might block shots with it, but he can't throw from it so I would say opponents generally want him to have the high guard.

Dropping his hands and using head movement definitely doesn't work for him.

So, yeah, he obviously has some skill, but it's pretty standard fair and not too the level that his fans project onto him.

Think people are pretty fair to him overall, and call it as they see it.

Why not just say all that in the first place instead of being so facetious

Actually some fair points, but he seems to think everyone has a similar concensus on Wilder, but if you spend 5 minutes online you'd think Wilder had the boxing skills of Freddie Flintoff.

Stuarty wrote: ↑20 Feb 2020, 11:56

Finkel wrote: ↑20 Feb 2020, 11:54

Okay okay I'll play along.
Wilder has some good offensive skills.
He is good at pulling at his opponents guard to allow him to get off his own shots.
Also he uses his lead arm well enough for head control and keeping/judging distance.

He is good coming forward in his wide stance, but his footwork is all about setting himself for his main weapon. But he is often left off balance when he commits to his shots, this makes him look sloppy and draws attention and criticism to his style.

Defensively, you might occasionally see him try to catch a jab. Sometimes it looks like he is trying to use a stiff arm into his opponent shoulder to keep distance and stop them throwing, but I don't know if this is a conscious action on his part or just instinctive with his long arms. But his main defensive tactic is a high guard, which in itself is pretty rudimentary. It doesn't really give him advantages of being able to create space between him and his opponent as he can't push with it, it just makes him a target to throw at and break down. He might block shots with it, but he can't throw from it so I would say opponents generally want him to have the high guard.

Dropping his hands and using head movement definitely doesn't work for him.

So, yeah, he obviously has some skill, but it's pretty standard fair and not too the level that his fans project onto him.

Think people are pretty fair to him overall, and call it as they see it.

Why not just say all that in the first place instead of being so facetious

I wasn't in the bathtub before.

Finkel wrote: ↑20 Feb 2020, 12:02

Stuarty wrote: ↑20 Feb 2020, 11:56

Why not just say all that in the first place instead of being so facetious

I wasn't in the bathtub before.

Don't wink at me while you're in the bath mate! I'll get a semi

Oben321 wrote: ↑19 Feb 2020, 22:41 Wilder started boxing in 2005.
Wins both the National Golden Gloves & US Championships in 2007 at 201lbs(91 kg)
He goes on to lose in the semi-finals of the Olympics gaining a Bronze Medal
Yeah....sounds like a shitty boxer to me!

littlepug wrote: ↑20 Feb 2020, 06:04 He’s getting better, to land a big ko shot you need good timing, your feet set right and a good delivery of the shot so he’s got that, If he could improve his general movement and develop his jab more he be even more frightening than he is now !

I would say DW is an average boxer ( not to his face mind ) compared to the traditional or classic style of boxers .
whilst Usyk we all seem to agree is clearly a boxer who dances and moves / makes his opponent miss etc etc .

I reckon wilder knows this and rather than try and be more classic and maybe come unstuck he has worked on a method of winning that suits him / his physique etc and you cant really argue with its effectiveness to date , what you can do is compare who he has fought to other top 6 or so and decide who has the stronger resumes .
In this comparison I would say AJ is miles ahead but until we get them in the ring we just dont know who is the better fighter on the day or even over a couple of fights .

Finally for me having watched a lot of wilders ko `s it seems his lightening speed is the thing that makes the difference , Ortiz just stopped still for a second with his defence down and wilder instinctively went for the kill and that was it goodnite !
I am not sure if Fury can keep himself away from danger for 12 rounds , I am certain AJ cant - he gets hit ! but he has the kind of power to hurt wilder anyway ..

Ricky wrote: ↑20 Feb 2020, 12:10

Oben321 wrote: ↑19 Feb 2020, 22:41 Wilder started boxing in 2005.
Wins both the National Golden Gloves & US Championships in 2007 at 201lbs(91 kg)
He goes on to lose in the semi-finals of the Olympics gaining a Bronze Medal
Yeah....sounds like a shitty boxer to me!

Josh was a far more decorated amateur and you think he's a sh!T boxer though, how does that line of argument work

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑20 Feb 2020, 14:05

Ricky wrote: ↑20 Feb 2020, 12:10

Josh was a far more decorated amateur and you think he's a sh!T boxer though, how does that line of argument work

AJ a shit boxer? Where does it say that? Up to your antics again Thatch?

oogiebe wrote: ↑20 Feb 2020, 14:13

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑20 Feb 2020, 14:05

Josh was a far more decorated amateur and you think he's a sh!T boxer though, how does that line of argument work

AJ a poo boxer? Where does it say that? Up to your antics again Thatch?

Ya, because every one of Ricky's post is in this thread

Just ask him if you don't believe me. He's said it clearly enough that AJ can't box, while at the same time bringing up Wilder's am accomplishments as evidence that Wilder can. Obviously that makes no sense.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑20 Feb 2020, 14:14

oogiebe wrote: ↑20 Feb 2020, 14:13

AJ a poo boxer? Where does it say that? Up to your antics again Thatch?

Ya, because every one of Ricky's post is in this thread

Just ask him if you don't believe me. He's said it clearly enough that AJ can't box, while at the same time bringing up Wilder's am accomplishments as evidence that Wilder can. Obviously that makes no sense.

So where did he say that? What thread? What post? I don't look that closely nor remember everyone's posts like you do Jam.

oogiebe wrote: ↑20 Feb 2020, 14:36

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑20 Feb 2020, 14:14

Ya, because every one of Ricky's post is in this thread

Just ask him if you don't believe me. He's said it clearly enough that AJ can't box, while at the same time bringing up Wilder's am accomplishments as evidence that Wilder can. Obviously that makes no sense.

So where did he say that? What thread? What post? I don't look that closely nor remember everyone's posts like you do Jam.

He's posted it plenty in the Brit section plenty, do some searches or just ask him, he's been open enough about it

Ricky, Thatch says you think that AJ is a shite boxer. Is that true?

Wilder's boxing ability is not underrated. Wilder's boxing skills are poor compared to the best in the division evidenced in the many fights he lost the majority of rounds in. Who doesn't know Wilder wins with reach and power not with skills?

He's a pot shot all out puncher, he'll give up the rounds to get a crack at you ... and when he does look out.

I think Wilder has actually improved over the last two fights, and Fury has went downhill. Fighting tomato cans may improve confidence, but that's it. Having a system that works to deliver a big left hook or straight right is all Wilder has needed so far. Along with that the ability to take a punch, with his speed and athleticism, he will be hard to beat.

Bandog wrote: ↑21 Feb 2020, 07:58 I think Wilder has actually improved over the last two fights, and Fury has went downhill. Fighting tomato cans may improve confidence, but that's it. Having a system that works to deliver a big left hook or straight right is all Wilder has needed so far. Along with that the ability to take a punch, with his speed and athleticism, he will be hard to beat.

It really shows how much you know about boxing

Wilder's boxing ability isn't great indeed. His timing and power are great though. He's more of a sniper, than a boxer.

Wilder's style has changed quite alot over the years. He is much more disciplined than he used to be. His defense has gotten better. Footwork is better but not great. Alot of his knockouts come from setting traps and counterpunching. He tricked a master boxer like Ortiz into walking into a punch he never saw.

Assuming he is unskilled works massively to his advantage. Internationally losing a round or rounds to set something up later shows a certain level of premeditated sophistication.

It's so convenient isn't it. Any round he loses, well he was just intelligently setting up his work for later! It's not like he was just getting outboxed. Too bad he spent a bit too much time utilizing his materful patience and fight reading vs FUry

Most of the time how he scored the KO is no different from what he was doing previously. It's just that if he throws enough times he finally lands a big one, because he has the speed to get it there eventually.

There seems to be this push after his last fight to depict him as some much improved boxer, even though he lost pretty much every round against a guy he already stopped and actually took longer to score a KD. That just baffles me. He is huge hitting, fast, has a great reach, etc....he is a raw talent beast, a freak in that regard, and that's enough for him to beat most or perhaps everyone else. I do not at all see this much improved or vastly underrated skills though. And when I see certain people talk about him as an inside killer too, I know they are just fanboi-ing for him as they usually do.

Ricky wrote: ↑19 Feb 2020, 20:48 Is it simply fashionable to shït on his skillset outwith his punching power? Here's a clue, there's no power without form. He could easily beat Fury on points on Saturday if he doesn't completely flatten him.

he too often looks like a
wild slugger with bad legs.