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Controversial wrote: ↑24 Feb 2020, 15:00 But we are talking about an extreme difference between Fury and Marciano, almost a foot in height, 6 stone in weight and 17” in reach. Big HWs struggle to get near Fury.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑24 Feb 2020, 16:49 Should light heavyweights and super middleweights be having a go at heavy then, without adding any size? Maybe it's really them with the size advantage over the big bois. Perhaps John Ryder or Bivol is the one to beat Fury.

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑24 Feb 2020, 16:46

Controversial wrote: ↑24 Feb 2020, 15:00 But we are talking about an extreme difference between Fury and Marciano, almost a foot in height, 6 stone in weight and 17” in reach. Big HWs struggle to get near Fury.

My point is that smaller guys who is much faster and busier would be able to get in easier.
If you casually come in throwing one shot a t a time, you are going to have a hard time. If you come quickly throwing a lot of punches, it is a different story.
Instead of a stationary, big target, that is easy to hit, Fury would have a smaller, moving, target that is more difficult to hit.

You also now talking height, which you weren't in the original post.

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑25 Feb 2020, 14:46 I think height is usually a bigger advantage than weight.
With weight, it seems people just look at the scales, and assume that the heavier guy has an advantage of whatever the difference on the scales is. It is more complicated than that. There is an a rough ideal weight. A guying weighing 210 against a guy weighing 180 is not the same as a guy weighing 240 against a guy weighing 210. At a certain point weight becomes stops becoming an advantage and at a later point it starts becoming a disadvantage.

And the stats show us that; of course you have to look at the stats to notice it.

If you go through heavyweight history, you see that head to head, the heavier guy barely wins about half the time.
Height and reach seems to be a bigger advantage. However you have to be careful with that. You can't just assume that a taller guy knows how to use his height and reach advantages. They often don't.

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑26 Feb 2020, 11:40 As for the weight, sure Fury can lean on a guy and wear him down. However, there is a remedy to prevent someone from leaning on you; throw punches. He can't lean on a guy while he is being hit.

As for Fury keeping Marciano at bay, I think Marciano would be able to get inside often enough. He had incredible endurance; he would just keep coming and coming. Fury is not going to be hold him off forever.

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑26 Feb 2020, 11:40 However, there is a remedy to prevent someone from leaning on you; throw punches. He can't lean on a guy while he is being hit.

Seamus wrote: ↑26 Feb 2020, 12:10 Ever since I came on here, I've been hearing how a fit 200 lb boxer could clean out the lard asses and uncoordinated giants of the heavyweight division. But now it's 2020 and we're still waiting for Godot.

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑26 Feb 2020, 16:58 I agree.
You can be great, good, mediocre, terrible, regardless of what the scale or the tape measure says.

It is what you can do, and how well you do it that counts.

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑26 Feb 2020, 16:58 I agree.
You can be great, good, mediocre, terrible, regardless of what the scale or the tape measure says.

It is what you can do, and how well you do it that counts.

Controversial wrote: ↑26 Feb 2020, 19:36

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑26 Feb 2020, 16:58 I agree.
You can be great, good, mediocre, terrible, regardless of what the scale or the tape measure says.

It is what you can do, and how well you do it that counts.

Of course and no one is saying just being tall, heavy or both makes you a better fighter, of course it doesn't. However it matters when the much bigger guy knows how to fight too and knows how to use those physical advantages, like Fury does. The difference in size and weight between Fury and Marciano is about as big as you can get.

This thread is old and tired. I remember when folks thought Mike Tyson ushered in the era of the throw back smaller HW. I'ts just a matter of Fury being the best today and happens to be a giant weighing 270 LBS. Like MIke was in the late 80's.

Bodyshot3 wrote: ↑27 Feb 2020, 15:53

This thread is old and tired. I remember when folks thought Mike Tyson ushered in the era of the throw back smaller HW. I'ts just a matter of Fury being the best today and happens to be a giant weighing 270 LBS. Like MIke was in the late 80's.

Feels just a tad harsh there Oogiebe……..especially when many of our history threads don't always get people posting and discussing. Let's not be too fierce please and let the conversation flow a bit, even if it seems done and dusted.

Personally I think that Fury in particular does box better and is more effective with some extra and seemingly excessive poundage...….when he has been super-trim he's often not looked so great and yet bulked-up he can still be mobile, skilful and busy but can boss and bully opponents with his bulk as well.

There are some interesting examples out there...…a seemingly finished and undeserving Bruno came in very heavy against McCall and yet boxed better than at any time in his career and seemed to exhaust McCall in the clinches.

oogiebe wrote: ↑27 Feb 2020, 17:16

Bodyshot3 wrote: ↑27 Feb 2020, 15:53

Feels just a tad harsh there Oogiebe……..especially when many of our history threads don't always get people posting and discussing. Let's not be too fierce please and let the conversation flow a bit, even if it seems done and dusted.

Personally I think that Fury in particular does box better and is more effective with some extra and seemingly excessive poundage...….when he has been super-trim he's often not looked so great and yet bulked-up he can still be mobile, skilful and busy but can boss and bully opponents with his bulk as well.

There are some interesting examples out there...…a seemingly finished and undeserving Bruno came in very heavy against McCall and yet boxed better than at any time in his career and seemed to exhaust McCall in the clinches.

Good post BD! Fury fighting better at the higher weight is a discussion that would be interesting. Bigger is Better is old and tired. Foreman also was a better boxer at the higher weight.

Controversial wrote: ↑27 Feb 2020, 18:35

oogiebe wrote: ↑27 Feb 2020, 17:16
Good post BD! Fury fighting better at the higher weight is a discussion that would be interesting. Bigger is Better is old and tired. Foreman also was a better boxer at the higher weight.

The thread was about whether carrying extra weight at HW helps, it wasn’t meant to be a bigger is better argument to be fair

oogiebe wrote: ↑27 Feb 2020, 17:16
Foreman also was a better boxer at the higher weight.