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Tony1244 wrote: ↑23 Feb 2020, 13:26

stevec@france wrote: ↑23 Feb 2020, 12:54 if he wants another good hiding then yes !

That could happen, but I wouldn't write off Wilder chances yet. Both guys are capable of hurting the other. Wilder never recovered from the ear shot in the 3rd round. Of course Fury is the better boxer and he had a great victory, but Wilder's punch is still dangerous unless he free falls of course.

I agree, 100 %..................

FURY just said he thinks the rematch is on---thinks WILDER will exercise the rematch clause.

Wilder took a fearful hiding, only one judge gave him a round. He was hospitalised after the fight.

I do not think it would be a good idea to agree to a rematch without a lot of thought.

If he's cool with just regaining a belt somehow, and never going to revenge then I'd say he should probably just move on and avoid Fury.

I imagine his pride will overtake his sense with this though, and he'll be demanding the 3rd fight.

I could see Haymon or his people trying to talk him out of it though.

Brute wrote: ↑23 Feb 2020, 13:49 Wilder took a fearful hiding, only one judge gave him a round. He was hospitalised after the fight.

I do not think it would be a good idea to agree to a rematch without a lot of thought.

Had to be the 2nd round. That's the only one I gave him, and it was really the only one that was debatable as he did land some solid rights in that one.

Other than that he got his ass handed to him.

If Al and Finkel advise him to take the rematch they are doing him a disservice

Wilder wasn't just beaten he was broken from round 1 till the stoppage - hope Wilder can start getting some rounds under his belt because his left hand (jab hand) looked very sharp in bursts

The only chance Wilder is not stopped again is if Fury gets psychological issues and comes unprepared.

The Ruiz rematch favored AJ in a way that a third Fury fight could not favor Deontay. AJ got caught by Ruiz by being too incautious too quickly; mixing it up from the get-go, on the other hand, was supposed to be Wilder's own strong suit.

Ya I agree. Remember that it was already the rematch for WILDEr and fury, after most thought the first fight favoured Fury. They already had time to adjust to each other.

The trajectory clearly leans towards Fury in a way it didn't nearly so much for Ruiz. Wilder would also be 35 for the time of a rematch and is more likely of the two to regress further, which is especially bad for a guy lacking skill

Wilder should only take an immediate rematch if he thinks he's totally done and may get KO'd by interim level opponents like Kownacki. In that case, go for the bigger money right away

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑23 Feb 2020, 14:47 The only chance Wilder is not stopped again is if Fury gets psychological issues and comes unprepared.

Yeah I mean people saying "He could outbox him like the first fight or outfight him like the 2nd fight"

Why would he do anything but what he did last night? He absolutely DOMINATED. If he just did that again, it doesn't look like Wilder has any answers, and if anything he'll have less confidence in himself next time so it might be even easier.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑23 Feb 2020, 15:10

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑23 Feb 2020, 14:47 The only chance Wilder is not stopped again is if Fury gets psychological issues and comes unprepared.

Yeah I mean people saying "He could outbox him like the first fight or outfight him like the 2nd fight"

Why would he do anything but what he did last night? He absolutely DOMINATED. If he just did that again, it doesn't look like Wilder has any answers, and if anything he'll have less confidence in himself next time so it might be even easier.

Glad too see you have some respect for Tyson Fury.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑23 Feb 2020, 14:29

Brute wrote: ↑23 Feb 2020, 13:49 Wilder took a fearful hiding, only one judge gave him a round. He was hospitalised after the fight.

I do not think it would be a good idea to agree to a rematch without a lot of thought.

Had to be the 2nd round. That's the only one I gave him, and it was really the only one that was debatable as he did land some solid rights in that one.

Other than that he got his ass handed to him.

Yeah wilder out jab fury in the 2nd..

Plus I agree after wilders 2 beatings wilder should call it a day with fury But it might be wilders last or only chance of a big purse... So I think that might entice wilder back in

ValMar wrote: ↑23 Feb 2020, 15:13

gilgamesh wrote: ↑23 Feb 2020, 15:10

Yeah I mean people saying "He could outbox him like the first fight or outfight him like the 2nd fight"

Why would he do anything but what he did last night? He absolutely DOMINATED. If he just did that again, it doesn't look like Wilder has any answers, and if anything he'll have less confidence in himself next time so it might be even easier.

Glad too see you have some respect for Tyson Fury.

Well you can't really deny a guy's ability when he takes one of the other top guys in the division, and beats the sh*t out of him at his own game.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑23 Feb 2020, 15:20

ValMar wrote: ↑23 Feb 2020, 15:13

Glad too see you have some respect for Tyson Fury.

Well you can't really deny a guy's ability when he takes one of the other top guys in the division, and beats the sh*t out of him at his own game.

Well done ! You dislike Fury, but you have some respect for him.

Wilder spends a lot of money.
Jewlery, fancy cars, hand made clothes, living the high life + child support.
Being who he is as a fighter, no one wants the risk Vs no reward, now that he has no title.
So, from a financial viewpoint, Fury is the only payday on his horizon that will pay out big time.
Right now there are no easy belts.
It's either Tyson Fury, or ring up Eddie and have him laugh in your face

He has to absolutely take the rematch. His corner did him a huge favor as the fight was stopped when he was still on his feet. 2 fights so far...2 knockdowns each. The 3rd bout is bigger money than anything else he can do. If he wins there will be a 4th fight too as it will be 1-1-1. Fighting Fury 3 times is going to bring him more money than all his other fights combined. PRIZE FIGHTING....you fight for the biggest prize. 40% of the next pie will be a big prize. If he wins he will have the belt and get the bigger share for a 4th fight.

Wilder has the power to do it...everyone knows that. He came in probably too heavy. He was likely not expecting Fury to fight such a come at him in beast mode style. Next time he can prepare better for that, be a little lighter, and be much more ready for Fury. If Fury does go back to boxing that is no big deal. He needs to really prepare for the big man coming hard though.

Huge credit to Sugar Hill and Fury. They drastically changed Fury's tactics just like they said they would. Few people believed them and Wilder was likely among the non believers....I also did not believe they would employ that strategy. They made Fury into a super exciting fighter now and with this win he is a mega superstar. Nobody has been HW Champion like Tyson Fury before. This man can break into all of the mainstream stuff and be what the HW Champion should be. It is so good for boxing that Fury has now become undisputedly the very best HW in the world. Joshua was hotter in the UK but he didn't have what it takes to cross over into everything else like Tyson does. Fury is going to take over the world and everybody is going to be excited to watch his fight....and everything else he does.

I must say too....I never thought I would see KRONK gear on the biggest stages of boxing again. That was sweet to see. KRONK now has a very bright future in both the USA and across the pond. Between Andy Lee and Sugar Hill they can keep KRONK going and growing. Thank you to Tyson Fury for permanently saving one of the biggest brands in boxing history.

Give Fury The Keys To Detroit!

It seems that those predicting Wilder will go for the rematch is mainly due to the payday.

And I agree, other than a Joshua fight, there isn't a bigger payday.

But how big is this match now? Fury dominated the 1st one after 3 years on the piss.

2nd fight was a complete mismatch, it was difficult viewing at times. Don't particularly like Wilder but felt sorry for him in there, tough bloke but he was out of his league.

Do we need a 3rd? Anybody give a fornicate about a 3rd? Anyone gonna pay to watch a foregone conclusion? Is there really that much money in another? Especially given the first fight (a 50/50) struggled to sell

kbackup408 wrote: ↑23 Feb 2020, 14:37 If Al and Finkel advise him to take the rematch they are doing him a disservice

Wilder wasn't just beaten he was broken from round 1 till the stoppage - hope Wilder can start getting some rounds under his belt because his left hand (jab hand) looked very sharp in bursts

Finkel is a horrible leach.....He ran up steps last night because the Coach through in the the towel as he wanted it to continue. That says everything about that parasite - if he’s on a cut for fight 3 he’ll be making sure it’s on.

Wilder needs to get some time to lick his wounds. He will comeback more or less. Poor bastard who ever holds a belt I say. Or who ever will get put in front of him in his return fight.

I know of another Alabama native who got smack around and came back stronger. People might talk about Wilders age. But, if he takes care of himself he be around for a while and he was look good until that KD.

Wilder has much to consider. Can he be taught new skills at his age? If not, what else other than a rematch with Fury provides a high payday? I think he has to take the time and consider what he wants and what he is willing to do to achieve it. Not sure if maybe his best path is a couple of months away from things then maybe consider a two or three fight plan to get himself some new tactics against marginal guys who can give him rounds and see if he can do what AJ did. Change his approach.

I say yes. There's nothing else out there. A rematch will generate interest and money again. No excuses but there were punches to the back of the head, his ear drum appeared to burst which creates havoc for all fighters never mind a guys who doesn't have great balance anyway. If there was a rematch clause go for it. I'd like to know what Wilder was referring to after the fight when he said he had things going on into the lead up for the fight - no excuses though.

amwsnw wrote: ↑23 Feb 2020, 21:23 I say yes. There's nothing else out there. A rematch will generate interest and money again. No excuses but there were punches to the back of the head, his ear drum appeared to burst which creates havoc for all fighters never mind a guys who doesn't have great balance anyway. If there was a rematch clause go for it. I'd like to know what Wilder was referring to after the fight when he said he had things going on into the lead up for the fight - no excuses though.

Now I could be wrong, but it sounds like you are making a lot of excuses

He will be back in the summer to starch martin. Then position himself for another title shot

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑23 Feb 2020, 22:03 He will be back in the summer to starch martin. Then position himself for another title shot

Not sure what the insentive would be for Martin, it looks like he is going the IBF route. Unless they can get Wilder a ranking, and make it as a final eliminator, but that would be difficult as Kownacki is in position via the IBF as well.

Wilder wouldn't have many options if he doesn't take the immediate rematch against Fury. He is high risk low reward at this point. I expect Wilder fighting someone inside the PBC. But who is left that he hasn't already fought, and isn't in position in their own right. But maybe he just needs a guaranteed win in which case Cunningham is still active (@43). As a mutual opponent of Fury's it could sell.

amwsnw wrote: ↑23 Feb 2020, 21:23 I say yes. There's nothing else out there. A rematch will generate interest and money again. No excuses but there were punches to the back of the head, his ear drum appeared to burst which creates havoc for all fighters never mind a guys who doesn't have great balance anyway. If there was a rematch clause go for it. I'd like to know what Wilder was referring to after the fight when he said he had things going on into the lead up for the fight - no excuses though.

You also forgot to mention that his ring walk outfit was too heavy