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clopixolacuphase wrote: ↑06 Mar 2020, 15:30

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑06 Mar 2020, 15:24

https://theathletic.com/1640229/2020/02 ... ed-article

‘I can take [Wilder] back with me to where I was, take him back to the boxer he ought to be. I know I can take him there,’

‘In those weeks, I can show him how to do it, and then it belongs to him.

‘He will be able to keep himself up from that point and no one will ever again be able to take his legs.’

and now Buddy McGirt wants to help train him too.

Watch the vultures circle.

Wilder should go on his hands and knees to beg the advice of one Mike Tyson.

Mike went through all this crap - and encountered vultures of all shapes and sizes.

In the end the female variety were the ones that eventually brought him down.

Go on Deontay, eat some humble pie and do it!

Maybe then you could take a different road to the one that Mike had to follow. It's not too late yet, but it's getting there.

..considering the 34-year old Wilder was basically schooled, I don't believe in magical effect of any advice..

greg wrote: ↑06 Mar 2020, 18:34 ..considering the 34-year old Wilder was basically schooled, I don't believe in magical effect of any advice..

Perhaps. In any case it wouldn't be a bad idea to try to hang to some of his hard earned wealth.

As we have seen plenty of times previously, even vast sums of money have a tendency to disappear alarmingly fast when it comes to boxing. The boxers themselves are usually preoccupied elsewhere. Not everyone can be as cunning as a Tyson Fury, or brought up like a Mayweather.

Money can sometimes have a strange power and even stranger effects.

If the fight happens Wilder will come out desperate and scared and swinging carelessly. Tyson will survive and avoid the rush and the same fight we saw the second time will repeat itself the third time. This time Wilder won't finish on his feet because the corner will leave him out there for the ref to save.

This will likely happen in early October, according to Arum.

I read Arum simply say it was possible for early October, is there any confidence on dates even in October at the moment

Two schools of thoughts:

1) The longer the delay for the Fury-Wilder rematch, the further the American declines physically (he’ll be 35 years of age come October and his pugilistic fighting style is heavily reliant on speed and general athleticism, which are usually the first physical attributes to decline with age).

2) The longer the delay for the Fury-Wilder rematch, the better for the American, since it’ll give him more time to change his team, change his attitude and also implement the necessary changes to his pugilistic fighting style, as well as formulating a better game plan.

To be perfectly honest, in terms of the second point, Wilder won’t be able to achieve much progress, due to the coronavirus situation.

I also feel that Wilder has been surrounded by “yes men”, whereby they’ve allowed him to become deluded (seeking excuses to pass the blame onto everyone or everything else other than himself) rather than identifying his own flaws, therefore providing the opportunity to learn and address them.

So I feel the longer delay, the more it improves Fury’s chances for delivering a more dominant performance in the rematch.

The longer the delay the more I'd worry about Fury getting distracted

ewenhay wrote: ↑25 Mar 2020, 15:40 The longer the delay the more I'd worry about Fury getting distracted

I just was going to post the same thing.
That's a long time for a guy to get distracted.

tiny_acres wrote: ↑26 Mar 2020, 14:23

ewenhay wrote: ↑25 Mar 2020, 15:40 The longer the delay the more I'd worry about Fury getting distracted

I just was going to post the same thing.
That's a long time for a guy to get distracted.

One can hope can't he

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑26 Mar 2020, 14:24

tiny_acres wrote: ↑26 Mar 2020, 14:23

I just was going to post the same thing.
That's a long time for a guy to get distracted.

One can hope can't he

I'd rather see them both in top physical and mental shape.
But that's a long lay off for a guy with so many irons in the fire

He was already off for like 3 years before, how long are we talking here? A year is nothing these days

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑26 Mar 2020, 14:26 He was already off for like 3 years before, how long are we talking here? A year is nothing these days

And he gained 150 pounds in that time and got hooked on cocaine

And still got a draw

A year (or 7 months if Oct) is nothing, that's normal boxing in these days, if it's anything more than that I'd think the guy about to turn 35 might be worse off by the delay...though as fans maybe we want Fury to regress more , so the playing field is leveled and the fight isnt such a bash down?

No.

I want them both to be in peak condition.

Like they were last time.

You can never completely write off Deontay because of his one shot power, but unless Fury is in a much worse place psychologically than he was last time, then I don't see a very different outcome. I'll watch a third fight of course I will, but it's just another unwelcome roadblock to the unification as I see it.

I don't blame Wilder though. What's the alternative for him? He'll be getting only 40% of a much smaller pot but that's way more than he'd get fighting anyone else. The expected next defence vs Kownacki is off the table obviously. A fight against Joshua or Whyte in London would still make money (maybe not compared to Fury 3) but those two are signed to other fights, and Wilder has shown no interest in fighting them or fighting in the UK previously.

If I were Deontay I'd take my chances against Fury again then if I lost, I'd hope for AJ to become undisputed and then hope to become his first challenger for his undisputed crown.

Arum on Fury-Wilder: Investors in Macau Ready To Put Up The Money

Top Rank's CEO Bob Arum indicates that it's a very realistic possibility to see the Tyson Fury vs. Deontay Wilder trilogy end up in an overseas location.

Back in February, Fury dropped and stopped Wilder in seven rounds to capture the WBC's heavyweight title at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas.

The first bout, which took place at Staples Center in Los Angeles, saw the two boxers battle to a controversial twelve round split draw.

After suffering his first career defeat, Wilder exercised his option for an immediate rematch.

The fight was going to take place in July - but then ultimately pushed back due to the coronavirus pandemic.

At first it was eyed for October - and now it's more likely to land in November or December.

One of the big issues in staging that card, is that it needs an audience.

At the moment boxing events can only take place behind closed doors.

There is a possibility of that contest coming off without an audience, if someone puts up the money to cover the financial loss of having no gate.

Arum, who co-promotes Fury, says there are investors who are willing to stake enough money to bring that fight to Macau in China. Top Rank has staged several events in Macau.

Arum also says Australia is a possibility, and Las Vegas' brand new Allegiant Stadium, which holds 65,000 fans, is also under consideration.

"When we postponed the fight in July we punted it to October," Arum told Sky Sports.

"I then called Fury and told him to forget about October. We'll try to do it in November or December. We are moving ahead. Maybe Macau which needs to attract customers and has tremendous protocols. They have had, for months now, no cases of coronavirus. There are six big casino properties in Macau.

"We've talked to them. They're ready to put up money for the Fury fight against Wilder in November or December. We are waiting to see if the authorities in Macau will allow an event with full spectators in November or December.

"Our friends in Australia are talking about doing this fight, probably in Sydney. That's a possibility. Maybe we can do it with a full attendance at the new stadium in Vegas of the Raiders. Maybe we could do it with 20,000 or 30,000 people [later in the year]. I can't tell you where, but I'm pretty sure we'll get this event on in November or December. We're not sleeping. We're working hard to get it done."

Waste of time fight. Are they going to build the rematch clause in again so they can have a 4th one? Mix it up, fight other guys.

squiggy wrote: ↑06 Jun 2020, 20:50 Waste of time fight. Are they going to build the rematch clause in again so they can have a 4th one? Mix it up, fight other guys.

The contract was already written up when the clause was put into the 2nd fight. It said no more rematch clause after this. Unless they both agree new contracts.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑07 Jun 2020, 06:14

squiggy wrote: ↑06 Jun 2020, 20:50 Waste of time fight. Are they going to build the rematch clause in again so they can have a 4th one? Mix it up, fight other guys.

The contract was already written up when the clause was put into the 2nd fight. It said no more rematch clause after this. Unless they both agree new contracts.

Good. What a swindle, for getting your ass beat from pillar to post to net you a big high profile rematch.

Lol, dude once told me if you don't want to see the third fight youre a racist Wilder hater

Reports today it could be Christmas Day in Sydney!

Fury promoter, allegedly, was on talkSPORT radio last Thursday In UK and said

“a non disclosure agreement has been signed with a country in the Middle East who are going to come back with a financial proposal for AJ v Fury in November. We believe the proposal the country will put forward will have taken into account, and budget, for significant step-aside money that neither Wilder or Pulev could refuse.”

Thomastearns wrote: ↑06 Mar 2020, 16:39Wilder should go on his hands and knees to beg the advice of one Mike Tyson.

Mike went through all this crap - and encountered vultures of all shapes and sizes.

In the end the female variety were the ones that eventually brought him down.

Go on Deontay, eat some humble pie and do it!

Maybe then you could take a different road to the one that Mike had to follow. It's not too late yet, but it's getting there.

Immediately before Fury’s February rematch against Deontay Wilder, he accurately claimed that all bullies, when they’re backed up and stood up to, fold when you stand up to them.

And Mike Tyson is renowned for failing to overcome adversity throughout the entirety of his career.

So I’m not really sure how Mike could help Deontay.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑08 Jun 2020, 04:04

Thomastearns wrote: ↑06 Mar 2020, 16:39Wilder should go on his hands and knees to beg the advice of one Mike Tyson.

Mike went through all this crap - and encountered vultures of all shapes and sizes.

In the end the female variety were the ones that eventually brought him down.

Go on Deontay, eat some humble pie and do it!

Maybe then you could take a different road to the one that Mike had to follow. It's not too late yet, but it's getting there.

Immediately before Fury’s February rematch against Deontay Wilder, he accurately claimed that all bullies, when they’re backed up and stood up to, fold when you stand up to them.

And Mike Tyson is renowned for failing to overcome adversity throughout the entirety of his career.

So I’m not really sure how Mike could help Deontay.

Mike can tell him not to f*ck up his focus and learn from his own mistakes so Deontay don't mess up like himself outside the ring or all over the place.
Do love Mike, but he got messed up so much and yeah... so sad to see one of the greatest go down like that... before his own prime.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑08 Jun 2020, 04:04

Thomastearns wrote: ↑06 Mar 2020, 16:39Wilder should go on his hands and knees to beg the advice of one Mike Tyson.

Mike went through all this crap - and encountered vultures of all shapes and sizes.

In the end the female variety were the ones that eventually brought him down.

Go on Deontay, eat some humble pie and do it!

Maybe then you could take a different road to the one that Mike had to follow. It's not too late yet, but it's getting there.

Immediately before Fury’s February rematch against Deontay Wilder, he accurately claimed that all bullies, when they’re backed up and stood up to, fold when you stand up to them.

And Mike Tyson is renowned for failing to overcome adversity throughout the entirety of his career.

So I’m not really sure how Mike could help Deontay.

Of all the idiotic things you have ever written, this may be the worst.

You don't know Mike Tyson, only some third hand impression.

You wouldn't last 10 minutes in his world.
Me neither.