How much do you value quantity?

[RonnyJ]

some boxers are so talented or have special powers, that their place in the top 10 is unquestionable, some is questionable.

mayweather has the best defence ever, thats his special power.
jones is the most athletic and arguably fastest boxer ever, he got super special power.
lomachenkos footwork is on another level, no boxer has ever had footowork like him, during 2016/2017 he looked like
the GOAT.
manny has a stamina, a combination of footwork, speed and power which has been rarly seen.
leonard like mayweather cant be touched.
robinson had elite chin, elite power, elite speed, no wounder he is considered the GOAT.
clay, i specifficly wrote clay, cause ali didnt train as hard, was not as much dedicated, young clay had it all.

duran, greb, langford, louis, charles, benny, willie is all questionable, these above not only have great records, but the quality level is the highest boxer can achieve.

[Tevfik1907]

Joshua > Wilder thread in disguise.

Well, surely Wilder and Joshua already fought the same opponent and we know how Wilder humiliated Breazeale in the first round.

I would also say that fighting in your home everytime, and losing by KO (Ruiz JR in USA) when you fight outside of your home is not good as well.

[margaret thatcher]

Joshua > Wilder thread in disguise.

Well, surely Wilder and Joshua already fought the same opponent and we know how Wilder humiliated Breazeale in the first round.

I would also say that fighting in your home everytime, and losing by KO (Ruiz JR in USA) when you fight outside of your home is not good as well.

Not at all, though it made me curious about the quantity issue. Wondering about your thoughts, since you were one of the people who went all out on just mentioning number of title defenses without outlining the actual opponents. Most people say it's all about quality so far, so why does quantity mean so much more to you? Why treat a win over Szpizzy or shopworn Arreola the same as a win over Wlad or Povetkin or Parker etc? Although you didn't even include the Wlad and Parker fights initially did you LOL. 10 vs 4! 10 vs 4 !More title defenses!

Btw, in terms of head to head, since you brought it into this thread, they have 3 common opponents and AJ beat 2 faster , why cherry pick 1 fight but to make DW look better? Though tbf, perhaps you could be new to boxing and not be aware of the other fights.

Josh KO 3 Molina, Wilder KO 9 Molina (after getting hurt)
Josh KO 3 Gavern , Wilder KO 4 Gavern

[RonnyJ]

thatcher by tko against tevlik

thatcher wonthe arguemant

[ewenhay]

By the same token though you can't dismiss someone just because they had 100 fights in another era. If 20 of those fights were against top opposition then that's still better than most of the records of modern day champions.

[Tevfik1907]

Joshua > Wilder thread in disguise.

Well, surely Wilder and Joshua already fought the same opponent and we know how Wilder humiliated Breazeale in the first round.

I would also say that fighting in your home everytime, and losing by KO (Ruiz JR in USA) when you fight outside of your home is not good as well.

Not at all, though it made me curious about the quantity issue. Wondering about your thoughts, since you were one of the people who went all out on just mentioning number of title defenses without outlining the actual opponents. Most people say it's all about quality so far, so why does quantity mean so much more to you? Why treat a win over Szpizzy or shopworn Arreola the same as a win over Wlad or Povetkin or Parker etc? Although you didn't even include the Wlad and Parker fights initially did you LOL. 10 vs 4! 10 vs 4 !More title defenses!

Btw, in terms of head to head, since you brought it into this thread, they have 3 common opponents and AJ beat 2 faster , why cherry pick 1 fight but to make DW look better? Though tbf, perhaps you could be new to boxing and not be aware of the other fights.

Josh KO 3 Molina, Wilder KO 9 Molina (after getting hurt)
Josh KO 3 Gavern , Wilder KO 4 Gavern

42 years old Wlad dropped AJ's ass in England once, how was that a good fight for AJ?

Povetkin was already old as well, but when it comes to Wilder, they say Luiz Ortiz is old.

He was in trouble against Parker in the first two rounds, then he forced his physical advantage and with the supporters in England, he managed to pull that off by decision.

What happened when he fought another Parker level opponent somewhere else outside of England? He lost all the belts.

Wilder at least lost to someone who is clearly better than Ruiz Jr, there is a level difference between fighting against Fury and fighting against Ruiz, and you're ridiculously wanking England only Champion Joshua

In the end, Wilder has more title defenses, Joshua can reach that number by ducking Fury or Wilder III winner, he can increase the number of his title defenses by fighting the likes of Pulev.

[margaret thatcher]

thatcher by tko against tevlik

thatcher wonthe arguemant

Pretty easy to win when a guy is counting wins over the likes of Spizzy and Arreola but not Wlad or Parker

Tev started okay I guess but his bomb squader is showing more and more

[margaret thatcher]

Not at all, though it made me curious about the quantity issue. Wondering about your thoughts, since you were one of the people who went all out on just mentioning number of title defenses without outlining the actual opponents. Most people say it's all about quality so far, so why does quantity mean so much more to you? Why treat a win over Szpizzy or shopworn Arreola the same as a win over Wlad or Povetkin or Parker etc? Although you didn't even include the Wlad and Parker fights initially did you LOL. 10 vs 4! 10 vs 4 !More title defenses!

Btw, in terms of head to head, since you brought it into this thread, they have 3 common opponents and AJ beat 2 faster , why cherry pick 1 fight but to make DW look better? Though tbf, perhaps you could be new to boxing and not be aware of the other fights.

Josh KO 3 Molina, Wilder KO 9 Molina (after getting hurt)
Josh KO 3 Gavern , Wilder KO 4 Gavern

42 years old Wlad dropped AJ's ass in England once, how was that a good fight for AJ?

Povetkin was already old as well, but when it comes to Wilder, they say Luiz Ortiz is old.

He was in trouble against Parker in the first two rounds, then he forced his physical advantage and with the supporters in England, he managed to pull that off by decision.

What happened when he fought another Parker level opponent somewhere else outside of England? He lost all the belts.

Wilder at least lost to someone who is clearly better than Ruiz Jr, there is a level difference between fighting against Fury and fighting against Ruiz, and you're ridiculously wanking England only Champion Joshua

In the end, Wilder has more title defenses, Joshua can reach that number by ducking Fury or Wilder III winner, he can increase the number of his title defenses by fighting the likes of Pulev.

So in this whole post you don't even mention why quantity should mean so much and why it should just be a matter of counting defenses ('10 vs 4' lololol), I give you a fail bruh

And for any criticism of Wlad and Parker, guys who you didn't count for Joshua, far more can be made for the scrubs you did count for Wilder like Spzilka and a version of Arreola who couldn't event beat Fred Kassi , tev you are going downhill fast

[Tevfik1907]

42 years old Wlad dropped AJ's ass in England once, how was that a good fight for AJ?

Povetkin was already old as well, but when it comes to Wilder, they say Luiz Ortiz is old.

He was in trouble against Parker in the first two rounds, then he forced his physical advantage and with the supporters in England, he managed to pull that off by decision.

What happened when he fought another Parker level opponent somewhere else outside of England? He lost all the belts.

Wilder at least lost to someone who is clearly better than Ruiz Jr, there is a level difference between fighting against Fury and fighting against Ruiz, and you're ridiculously wanking England only Champion Joshua

In the end, Wilder has more title defenses, Joshua can reach that number by ducking Fury or Wilder III winner, he can increase the number of his title defenses by fighting the likes of Pulev.

So in this whole post you don't even mention why quantity should mean so much and why it should just be a matter of counting defenses ('10 vs 4' lololol), I give you a fail bruh

And for any criticism of Wlad and Parker, guys who you didn't count for Joshua, far more can be made for the scrubs you did count for Wilder like Spzilka and a version of Arreola who couldn't event beat Fred Kassi , tev you are going downhill fast

The reality is that Wilder accepted a harder challenge by fighting Fury.

Joshua fought a level weaker fighter than Fury (Andy Ruiz) and got his ass kicked.

If Fury fought Joshua, Joshua would've 2 loses and no belts, no different than Wilder right now. Plus losing to Ruiz as an extra.

But at least I am not convinced that Andy Ruiz could actually KO Wilder or not, or 42 years old Wlad can KD Wilder or not, but we know that for sure when it comes to Joshua.

I am not even a Wilder fan, but you're wanking Joshua desperately.

[margaret thatcher]

Still can't answer

10-4 tev, 10-4 !!!! LOL

[KiwiRider]

very little, Quality is everything in my eyes. Notice how nearly every boxer gets to 20-0 before taking a real fight. The reality is they could all just go to mexico and knock out 100 people from 18 years old till 20. Glad its not that ridiculous. But yea, wilder and canelos (just examples i dont actuly dislike them) first 25 fights prove less to me than lomas first 2... and he was 1-1 at that point. but losing a close split to a good guy is still better than knocking out a binman.

That's an interesting point.
I would also like to add; notice how fighters who are matched tough after 10 fights, and keep winning, amass real boxing fans in droves.
Look at Loma, Josh Taylor, Monster, and Bivol etc.
I suppose you can say Loma had his big Am career, but he also jumped straight in the deep end, won over pro boxing fans in droves. Taylor's win over Postol in his 13th fight opened a lot of eyes, as did Usyk when he hit the ground running in his 10th pro fight.
Personally, I think it is better to move guys fast, after working up to 10 rounds by the 10th fight.
Sometimes it pays off moving guys slow (Zurdo, Wilder) but a lot of the time they have 20 cans of tomatoes and then fall on their faces when someone actually fights back. Which turns out to be a huge loss to the promotor and team who have spent time and money on one guy when they could have been backing 2 guys for the same money and effort.

[RonnyJ]

very little, Quality is everything in my eyes. Notice how nearly every boxer gets to 20-0 before taking a real fight. The reality is they could all just go to mexico and knock out 100 people from 18 years old till 20. Glad its not that ridiculous. But yea, wilder and canelos (just examples i dont actuly dislike them) first 25 fights prove less to me than lomas first 2... and he was 1-1 at that point. but losing a close split to a good guy is still better than knocking out a binman.

That's an interesting point.
I would also like to add; notice how fighters who are matched tough after 10 fights, and keep winning, amass real boxing fans in droves.
Look at Loma, Josh Taylor, Monster, and Bivol etc.
I suppose you can say Loma had his big Am career, but he also jumped straight in the deep end, won over pro boxing fans in droves. Taylor's win over Postol in his 13th fight opened a lot of eyes, as did Usyk when he hit the ground running in his 10th pro fight.
Personally, I think it is better to move guys fast, after working up to 10 rounds by the 10th fight.
Sometimes it pays off moving guys slow (Zurdo, Wilder) but a lot of the time they have 20 cans of tomatoes and then fall on their faces when someone actually fights back. Which turns out to be a huge loss to the promotor and team who have spent time and money on one guy when they could have been backing 2 guys for the same money and effort.

Promotion companys make so much money, no problem when they lose money on a boxer.