lazboy wrote: ↑27 Mar 2020, 20:10
Personally I had Canelo winning in a very close fight. I can't reward Lara rounds for burning up the clock.
However, it remains controversial. Based on the article quoted (above), from the 89 media scorecards listed, only 38.2% of them thought that Canelo deserved the win.
It was a very close fight. Had lara not taken so much 'time off' who knows. Two of the judges weren't far off.
lazboy wrote: ↑27 Mar 2020, 20:10
Personally I had Canelo winning in a very close fight. I can't reward Lara rounds for burning up the clock.
However, it remains controversial. Based on the article quoted (above), from the 89 media scorecards listed, only 38.2% of them thought that Canelo deserved the win.
It was a very close fight. Had lara not taken so much 'time off' who knows. Two of the judges weren't far off.
Thank-you for supporting my previous claims on an almost word-for-word basis.
Canelo deserved to win a close competitive fight.
Re: Lets see if boxrec changed for the good
Posted: 27 Mar 2020, 20:48
by oogiebe
In fact, Wiki posted these scores:
Press Scoring
AP 114-114
Yahoo 114-114
Sports Illustrated 114-114
CBS 115-113 Lara
Showtime 115-113 Lara
ESPN (Brian Campbell) 115-113 Lara
Bad Left Hook 115-113 Lara
USA Today 115-113 Lara
LA Times 115-113 Alvarez
HBO 115-113 Alvarez
The Ring TV 115-113 Alvarez
RING Magazine 116-114 Alvarez
ESPN (Dan Rafael) 116-112 Alvarez
lazboy wrote: ↑27 Mar 2020, 20:10
Personally I had Canelo winning in a very close fight. I can't reward Lara rounds for burning up the clock.
However, it remains controversial. Based on the article quoted (above), from the 89 media scorecards listed, only 38.2% of them thought that Canelo deserved the win.
It was a very close fight. Had lara not taken so much 'time off' who knows. Two of the judges weren't far off.
Yea. Who knows how I'd score it today - it's not a fight I care to watch again. It's also not important to who Canelo is today, he's an improved fighter; though, I'm suspicious of how much of his blood is blood and not chemicals.
It was a very close fight. Had lara not taken so much 'time off' who knows. Two of the judges weren't far off.
Thank-you for supporting my previous claims on an almost word-for-word basis.
Canelo deserved to win a close competitive fight.
I think it's pretty clear the result remains controversial. From your point of view, Canelo deserved the victory. From my point of view, Canelo deserved the victory or rather, Lara did not deserve rounds for back-peddling. The fact remains, based on the article quoted (above), from the 89 media scorecards listed, only 38.2% of them thought that Canelo deserved the win.
It was a very close fight. Had lara not taken so much 'time off' who knows. Two of the judges weren't far off.
Yea. Who knows how I'd score it today - it's not a fight I care to watch again. It's also not important to who Canelo is today, he's an improved fighter; though, I'm suspicious of how much of his blood is blood and not chemicals.
Yeah, that'll always be brought up when discussing Pednelo. I'm curious to watch it again from this conversation and rescore it, but I don't remember being entertained much. Also you're right, Canelo was only 23 for that fight.
Didn't read your post. I'm responding to another poster.
You agree with me. That’s all that matters.
You always desperately want me to be wrong, even when you know I’m right,
You flatter yourself with the idea I give a shite about you. You are nothing but entertainment when things are slow. Hey! There it is. "Entertaining One." That's you from now on!
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑27 Mar 2020, 20:47
Thank-you for supporting my previous claims on an almost word-for-word basis.
Canelo deserved to win a close competitive fight.
I think it's pretty clear the result remains controversial. From your point of view, Canelo deserved the victory. From my point of view, Canelo deserved the victory or rather, Lara did not deserve rounds for back-peddling. The fact remains, based on the article quoted (above), from the 89 media scorecards listed, only 38.2% of them thought that Canelo deserved the win.
Only 33% thought he deserved to lose.
And what about this môrônîc comment?
RonnyJ wrote: ↑27 Mar 2020, 04:42
If u think canelo won against lara ... then u delusional.
Yea. Who knows how I'd score it today - it's not a fight I care to watch again. It's also not important to who Canelo is today, he's an improved fighter; though, I'm suspicious of how much of his blood is blood and not chemicals.
Yeah, that'll always be brought up when discussing Pednelo. I'm curious to watch it again from this conversation and rescore it, but I don't remember being entertained much. Also you're right, Canelo was only 23 for that fight.
Eh, I've had a change of heart now. If you can link me to a website or youtube version of it, I'll watch it and score it again, in the next few days. We can post a rbr here. Might be interesting if others get involved.
oogiebe wrote: ↑27 Mar 2020, 20:54
Yeah, that'll always be brought up when discussing Pednelo. I'm curious to watch it again from this conversation and rescore it, but I don't remember being entertained much. Also you're right, Canelo was only 23 for that fight.
Eh, I've had a change of heart now. If you can link me to a website or youtube version of it, I'll watch it and score it again, in the next few days. We can post a rbr here. Might be interesting if others get involved.
You're on. PM me if you do it. (if the fight is a bad watch, it's your fault!) jk.
I think it's pretty clear the result remains controversial. From your point of view, Canelo deserved the victory. From my point of view, Canelo deserved the victory or rather, Lara did not deserve rounds for back-peddling. The fact remains, based on the article quoted (above), from the 89 media scorecards listed, only 38.2% of them thought that Canelo deserved the win.
Only 33% thought he deserved to lose.
And what about this môrônîc comment?
RonnyJ wrote: ↑27 Mar 2020, 04:42
If u think canelo won against lara ... then u delusional.
The poster was/is Jip. Enough said. You are smart enough to know better...
I think it's pretty clear the result remains controversial. From your point of view, Canelo deserved the victory. From my point of view, Canelo deserved the victory or rather, Lara did not deserve rounds for back-peddling. The fact remains, based on the article quoted (above), from the 89 media scorecards listed, only 38.2% of them thought that Canelo deserved the win.
Only 33% thought he deserved to lose.
And what about this môrônîc comment?
RonnyJ wrote: ↑27 Mar 2020, 04:42If u think canelo won against lara ... then u delusional.
To be fair, EO, I wouldn't have responded to Ronny J. He's a bit outrageous.
Eh, I've had a change of heart now. If you can link me to a website or youtube version of it, I'll watch it and score it again, in the next few days. We can post a rbr here. Might be interesting if others get involved.
You're on. PM me if you do it. (if the fight is a bad watch, it's your fault!) jk.
Alright cool. I have a couple things on, but I should be able to watch in a few days although I need to find a good version. If anyone reading this can help me? Have a good day/night wherever you are in isolation mate.
Dont do it. The fight is way too boring to rewatch it. Basicly lara did what fmj did, stay outside, jab, move the whole fight, cross than duck off when canelo counters. Low punchoutput, hit dont get hit. Canelo not landed 1 single big shot in the while fight.
Lara won like 9 rds, the rest were 10:10 rds, i think as i remember canelo didnt even won 1 clear rd.
Re: Lets see if boxrec changed for the good
Posted: 27 Mar 2020, 22:50
by Jeff_lacy_ko
Canelo v lara gets brought up a lot on different boards. It was an awful fight, a close fight, and the superstar got the nod
Let it die
Re: Lets see if boxrec changed for the good
Posted: 28 Mar 2020, 01:37
by lazboy
I was pleasantly surprised; the fight was more entertaining than I remembered but it's no Thrilla in Manila . It was a tough task to score and by no means do I think I’m the authority. I’ll be interested to see how others have it.
Rd 1
Canelo the aggressor.
Seemed to land a couple powerful body shots and maybe a jab.
Lara was moving well, and landed a couple of combos that seemed to pierce the guard.
Not much between them.
Rd 1 to Lara not based on much.
Lara 1-0
Rd 2
I more confidently give this rd to Canelo. However, Lara did land one very nice clean straight left.
Canelo stalks Lara, Canelo lands a notable punch to the head that seems to unbalance Lara and several strong body shots throughout. He’s also effectively blocking.
Lara- 1-1
R 3
Lara is seriously on his bike for 2 minutes plus. In that time Canelo is stalking and lands a number of scoring shots but not too effective. Canelo basically outworks him for that two minutes with glancing blows. Lara comes on and lands one or two cleaner punches but it’s not enough for me to award him the round. He was made or chose to retreat and, in that way, either lost or gave away the round.
Canelo 2-1
R4
A vicious body attack onslaught by Canelo in the opening minute. Lara midway through is able to land one of his clean straight left but then succumbs to back-peddling and another body assault. Some of those body shots by Canelo look seriously hard, he’s put a tremendous amount of energy/power behind them and it looked like Canelo was able move Lara’s entire frame with those that landed.
Canelo 3-1
R5
A more lively round.
Lara has his moments of countering and pot-shotting, but Canelo is again outworking him and in particular, is landing body shot combinations. There are two or three times Lara is caught with body combos. You can’t discount that type of work. Clear Canelo round
4-1
Rd 6
This one is tough to score. Canelo looks to have slowed and his punches lack snap. He’s still, what I’d call, outworking Lara but Lara landed the cleaner punches, pulled off some nice defensive moves, making Canelo swing and miss.
I have to give it to Lara but it’s very close.
Canelo 4-2
Rd 7
This is a ridiculously difficult round to score.
Lara seems to be having his best moments of the fight so far, in the first half. He’s moving well, landing the straight left. Canelo seems tired. Canelo, however, continues pressing forward and outworks Lara, landing multiple body punches, in the next half. Canelo punches lack the snap of the earlier period however he’s landing and getting the job done.
I’m giving my first even round.
Canelo 4-2-1 (even)
Rd 8
Pretty uneventful round. Alvarez pressing Lara, Lara landing some cute right hook counters and sliding off laterally. Canelo was able to let go of a couple body shot combos but it felt like Lara was controlling the round and was able to score from time to time; however, not much in it.
Lara
Canelo 4-3-1
R9
Entertaining round. Several exchanges.
Lara doing well with his counters. Canelo, fresher than before, and landing well to the body and some to the head. Very tough to score.
I felt Canelo landed the harder punches, plus was the aggressor.
Canelo
Canelo 5-3-1
R10
Lara looked like the superior boxing in this round. Whilst Canelo had his moments, they were not enough. I felt like Canelo’s concentration dipped, most likely due to fatigue. At times Canelo was wildly missing. Lara on the other hand was more consistent in terms of shots landed.
Lara’s round
Canelo 5-4-1
Rd 11
Another ridiculously hard round to score.
My overall impression was that Lara was outboxing Alvarez. Alvarz put in maximum effort during the later stages, really ramping the pressure and landing some body shots however Lara was picking him off at times.
I’m going to go with an even round
Canelo 5-4-2
Rd 12
Could be considered close but I have Canelo winning the last round. He lands two notable body shot combinations. Combinations were three or four punches land. Lara is back-peddling and throwing infrequently although tagged Canelo with two notable head combinations. One earlier on and one midway. The difference was that Canelo was stalking and throwing more in between. I thought he did enough to win the round and to win the fight.
Canelo 6 rounds to 4.
If I had removed my even rounds, the least Canelo get’s is a draw.
Re: Lets see if boxrec changed for the good
Posted: 28 Mar 2020, 02:46
by RonnyJ
Canelo is very good for boxing. I respect his mentality to always fight the best, the avoided.
You never cease to amaze me EO. Just how do you go about collating that info. I woulldn't know where to start. You gotta admire the spirit of our young friend. He reminds me of the green knight from Monty python and the Holy Grail
You spoilt it Maggie. No magic involved then. Now I feel silly.
Re: Lets see if boxrec changed for the good
Posted: 28 Mar 2020, 14:46
by boxing_rocks
Just rewatched it. That was the best fight Lara ever fought. He at least deserved a draw. Personally, I had him winning 8 rounds. Canelo was mainly hitting air, arms, elbows. He also landed quite a few punches on Lara's back. I don't see how he could be given more than 6 rounds.
