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John will do him big time,

I can see his next video already
‘ No gorger born from his mothers cynt could beat me’.
In all seriousness if this fight did ever happen I’d worry for the other boy

When I saw the title I hoped it was going to be Dana White who had called him out.

mercman wrote: ↑10 Apr 2020, 16:48

bigjack wrote: ↑10 Apr 2020, 12:19 Has anyone seen big John fight ? i saw him on the Paul Hodkinson v Villasana 1 show in Manchester,although i don't remember much about it.

Yeah, I saw him fight (and lose on points to) an ageing Neil Malpass. Central Area Heavyweight Title, circa 1989-90.

Makes you feel old doesn't it

John called out Lewis because he knew Lewis couldn't reply without being a bully for picking on an outmatched opponent. Tyson; Holyfield... There are loads of guys in their 50s who'd beat him, but they'd all be rightly criticised for doing so.

But this dude? You'd imagine John hammers him. Pointless. A Fury-Akinwande rematch if John really hates being in Tyson's shadow and Henry's down for it, sure. Any legit 50:50 bout.

tbf to the body builder, he looks like he's actually done some boxing , you'd think John being a former pro would be enough, but when guys get up to their mid 50s things can change big....ppl age very differently

Has anyone ever seen any footage of John? The few people who've seen him live don't remember much!

It's like that time I went to see Haye but can only remember the bar.

Noxy wrote: ↑10 Apr 2020, 06:04 Ha ha, blokes eh! We‘re never too old to put those mitts up.

I am. I hit 39 this year and would rather smooth something out than spend the night in the cell.

I remember when a couple of known people met up near me in levenshulme over a disagreement, big john turned and apparently everyone got on there toes, you don't mess with john fury

I remember watching - a few years ago - a video and it might still be on You Tube but it was of some dinner and it involved Joe Egan and Eddie Neilson - Joe Egan was a former Irish amateur champion and a pro and had a book called 'The Toughest White Man Alive' as this is what Mike Tyson called him and he wrote the foreword to it - it was a great title for his book - and if you ever watch the video and I don't think I am wrong here but Eddie Neilson is being a bit of a dick about it - he was! Eddie Neilson had a really proud boxing career and fought some world class men but you could see it really bugged him that Egan had this title around him - now, to the eternal credit of Joe Egan - he just laughed off Neilson's antics because he knew he was dealing with a fragile ego - I would have thought if I had 50 odd pro heavyweight fights and had an excellent record that I wouldn't care what someone else is tagged as - maybe not - maybe I would act like Eddie Neilson! I am getting to the age myself and realising nothing is ever enough if you don't squash it from your mind.

Maybe it hurts John Fury that his son has eclipsed him by a long way, maybe people remind him of it and it bugs him, maybe John Theo wished he could turn back the clock and became a pro heavyweight himself - he might have a been a good fighter - he might have fought John Fury over 8 rounds back in the early nineties and it bugs him he never did it because he doesn't know how it could have gone and he might think if he does this - it will give him answers - will it? I doubt it! Because he hasn't accepted and nor has John Fury that there comes a time when you have to make peace with what you are and what you're not. We all have that short window in our lives where we have the opportunity to be what we want in the physical arena and sometimes our best efforts aren't good enough - however hard we try and sooner than we think - we're too damn old to be in the arena - it's gone - and it will never ever come back.

And it's the hardest thing to do in the world! To say to yourself and accept it I was never going to be this and I was never going to be that we all have to do it in the end if we want to make peace with ourselves and be happy at the age of 50 because that's when you need to be at peace with what you've done (and what you've not done...) and what you are instead of doing stupid shit at that age because it changes nothing really - mid-life crisises never do - I wanted to be a heavyweight hope as well but I wasn't ever going to be that person because I wasn't any bloody good even though I trained hard and did my road work every night - I just didn't have what it took, John Fury will never be the best fighter in his own house, Eddie Neilson will never be the toughest white guy alive.

Some men - in fact, maybe lots of men don't or they can't accept it - some men hang on to excuses about why they weren't a Royal Marine or why they didn't become the next Elvis or the next Sylvester Stallone or why they didn't get to play for Forest Green Rovers or why they didn't ask out that girl who works behind the counter at Boots or whatever it is - let it go - yeah and I mean you as well because that's the only way you'll get happiness and peace of mind when you get to that age - and you deserve that - we all do - none moreso than John Fury, Mick Theo and of course - Eddie Neilson

Good post. Some guys are just stubborn. It's a character trait that probably made them the fighter they were so it's a positive trait but at the same time it makes them a bit of a pr*ck to be around and makes them look petty and sad. Henry Cooper comes to mind when him and Bugner did an interview together later in life. Cooper looked to be in his 70s and came across like a right plank still holding grudges and it really was cringeworthy to watch. It made him seem like an intolerable person generally who has no mates. Carl Froch is another that must have very few mates. John Fury will be making videos claiming he is the toughest man over 70 years of age when he's in his 70s. Same when he's in his 80s. The bodybuilder also came across like a prat in his video.

It's a difficult one because this kind of mentality is what got them success throughout their lives you'd think. Many fighters do mature out of it. Mike Tyson is a good example of someone who completely overhauled his personality but I think that was down to the humbling of taking good beatings in some fights.

TheLeprechaun wrote: ↑11 Apr 2020, 06:21 Good post. Some guys are just stubborn. It's a character trait that probably made them the fighter they were so it's a positive trait but at the same time it makes them a bit of a pr*ck to be around and makes them look petty and sad. Henry Cooper comes to mind when him and Bugner did an interview together later in life. Cooper looked to be in his 70s and came across like a right plank still holding grudges and it really was cringeworthy to watch. It made him seem like an intolerable person generally who has no mates. Carl Froch is another that must have very few mates. John Fury will be making videos claiming he is the toughest man over 70 years of age when he's in his 70s. Same when he's in his 80s. The bodybuilder also came across like a prat in his video.

It's a difficult one because this kind of mentality is what got them success throughout their lives you'd think. Many fighters do mature out of it. Mike Tyson is a good example of someone who completely overhauled his personality but I think that was down to the humbling of taking good beatings in some fights.

I was lucky enough to meet Harry Gibbs whan i was in Vegas and we spoke about that fight in detail and why he gave Bugner the verdict,disgraceful from Cooper to hate Bugner for something that was out of his hands

TheLeprechaun wrote: ↑11 Apr 2020, 06:21 Good post. Some guys are just stubborn. It's a character trait that probably made them the fighter they were so it's a positive trait but at the same time it makes them a bit of a pr*ck to be around and makes them look petty and sad. Henry Cooper comes to mind when him and Bugner did an interview together later in life. Cooper looked to be in his 70s and came across like a right plank still holding grudges and it really was cringeworthy to watch. It made him seem like an intolerable person generally who has no mates. Carl Froch is another that must have very few mates. John Fury will be making videos claiming he is the toughest man over 70 years of age when he's in his 70s. Same when he's in his 80s. The bodybuilder also came across like a prat in his video.

It's a difficult one because this kind of mentality is what got them success throughout their lives you'd think. Many fighters do mature out of it. Mike Tyson is a good example of someone who completely overhauled his personality but I think that was down to the humbling of taking good beatings in some fights.

Henry Cooper was a wonderful example of this actually because that was a man who got quite bitter towards the end of his life about Muhammad Ali and in a SKY interview in the nineties - he actually said - if it wasn't for Ali's 'negro features' (they were the words he used ad verbatim) he would have been world champion which is really ridiculous - but this is what happens when you can't let go of a dream and you go out of this life holding onto untruths.

He actually believed - or he wanted to believe - that it was Ali's thick skin that was the difference between them - it doesn't matter if he got CLEARLY knocked out cold the fight after he fought Ali against Floyd Patterson (OF Snelling wrote a fantastic article on this very subject citing the Patterson defeat as why Cooper wasn't unlucky not to be world heavyweight champion in his book 'The Bedside Book of Boxing) - and your example of him losing his fight to Bugner and holding a grudge against Bugner and Harry Gibbs (who in his autobiography stated that Coopers grudge caused him and his family no end of grief) is a great example of this.

Three Lonsdale belts, fame, money, a good marriage and a happy family and a shot at the world title half an hour away from where he lived - it wasn't enough in the end and he felt he was cheated when he certainly was not - he is probably the best example of this.

TheLeprechaun wrote: ↑11 Apr 2020, 06:21 Good post. Some guys are just stubborn. It's a character trait that probably made them the fighter they were so it's a positive trait but at the same time it makes them a bit of a pr*ck to be around and makes them look petty and sad. Henry Cooper comes to mind when him and Bugner did an interview together later in life. Cooper looked to be in his 70s and came across like a right plank still holding grudges and it really was cringeworthy to watch. It made him seem like an intolerable person generally who has no mates. Carl Froch is another that must have very few mates. John Fury will be making videos claiming he is the toughest man over 70 years of age when he's in his 70s. Same when he's in his 80s. The bodybuilder also came across like a prat in his video.

It's a difficult one because this kind of mentality is what got them success throughout their lives you'd think. Many fighters do mature out of it. Mike Tyson is a good example of someone who completely overhauled his personality but I think that was down to the humbling of taking good beatings in some fights.

I think Tyson is just stoned all the time. Definitely a lot more chilled out though

Grilling Machine wrote: ↑10 Apr 2020, 21:33 Has anyone ever seen any footage of John? The few people who've seen him live don't remember much!

It's like that time I went to see Haye but can only remember the bar.

I saw him fight live about 30 years ago now,don't remember much about it to be honest,it was in Manchester.

bigjack wrote: ↑11 Apr 2020, 06:40

TheLeprechaun wrote: ↑11 Apr 2020, 06:21 Good post. Some guys are just stubborn. It's a character trait that probably made them the fighter they were so it's a positive trait but at the same time it makes them a bit of a pr*ck to be around and makes them look petty and sad. Henry Cooper comes to mind when him and Bugner did an interview together later in life. Cooper looked to be in his 70s and came across like a right plank still holding grudges and it really was cringeworthy to watch. It made him seem like an intolerable person generally who has no mates. Carl Froch is another that must have very few mates. John Fury will be making videos claiming he is the toughest man over 70 years of age when he's in his 70s. Same when he's in his 80s. The bodybuilder also came across like a prat in his video.

It's a difficult one because this kind of mentality is what got them success throughout their lives you'd think. Many fighters do mature out of it. Mike Tyson is a good example of someone who completely overhauled his personality but I think that was down to the humbling of taking good beatings in some fights.

I was lucky enough to meet Harry Gibbs whan i was in Vegas and we spoke about that fight in detail and why he gave Bugner the verdict,disgraceful from Cooper to hate Bugner for something that was out of his hands

I've only watched the first couple of rounds. It was pretty even. I'm planning on watching the full fight tonight. I heard it was a total robbery but once I read about it a bit more I saw a good few people giving it to Bugner so I'm looking forward to finally watching it in full.

I’m guessing there’s no feather dusters in any of Johns properties.

Dust everywhere.

Can’t imagine it ever has time to settle with all that hot air around.

Its crazy to think that when most people think of gypsies they think brawlers but most pros of travelling stock are slicksters

mercman wrote: ↑11 Apr 2020, 08:44

Grilling Machine wrote: ↑10 Apr 2020, 21:33 Has anyone ever seen any footage of John? The few people who've seen him live don't remember much!

It's like that time I went to see Haye but can only remember the bar.

I remember his fight with Malpass very well.

Everybody was meant to be scared of Fury and a couple of his hangers on came up to our gym trying to put the freighteners on, saying he was too big for Malpass and that he was going to kill him, etc.

Malpass, who had been something of a prospect in his youth, was old and spent by then after years of partying it up, but he still had too much for Fury who was big and burly but basically just a swinger.

I suppose Fury fought like what he was - a bare-knuckle fighter - but Malpass still had enough left to old man him.

I also remember watching a teenage Adam Fogarty beat John Fury on Fight Night (a 1980s ITV show). Fogarty won on points, I think over 4 rounds, and would probably have stopped him had it been a six rounder. Fury was blowing out of his arse at the end.

Didn't Malpass do Paul Sykes too?

Beat him by DQ after Sykes nutted him, I believe they had a draw too. A little before my time, but others on here will probably know the details.

mercman wrote: ↑11 Apr 2020, 08:44

Grilling Machine wrote: ↑10 Apr 2020, 21:33 Has anyone ever seen any footage of John? The few people who've seen him live don't remember much!

It's like that time I went to see Haye but can only remember the bar.

I remember his fight with Malpass very well.

Everybody was meant to be scared of Fury and a couple of his hangers on came up to our gym trying to put the freighteners on, saying he was too big for Malpass and that he was going to kill him, etc.

Malpass, who had been something of a prospect in his youth, was old and spent by then after years of partying it up, but he still had too much for Fury who was big and burly but basically just a swinger.

I suppose Fury fought like what he was - a bare-knuckle fighter - but Malpass still had enough left to old man him.

I also remember watching a teenage Adam Fogarty beat John Fury on Fight Night (a 1980s ITV show). Fogarty won on points, I think over 4 rounds, and would probably have stopped him had it been a six rounder. Fury was blowing out of his arse at the end.

Let's be honest here , I don't know how old John Fury is but I don't imagine he'd be actually that fit at this stage of life and have that much stamina against a bloke of similar size , mind you how old is the other fella ?
I'd be worried for their health tbh .

My guess is, after throwing a couple of Haymakers, big John would probably gas completely. He does not appear to be in the best of health, though who knows?.

I wont be surprised if these to have it out. Expect them to start pumping out new weekly videos, proper gypo style stuff.

I watched the Sykes documentary last week again. What an absolute fvcking nutter. Can’t help wondering what he might have achieved if he’d stayed out of trouble and sober though.

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑11 Apr 2020, 12:55 I watched the Sykes documentary last week again. What an absolute fvcking nutter. Can’t help wondering what he might have achieved if he’d stayed out of trouble and sober though.

Alkie, right?