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oogiebe wrote: ↑21 Apr 2020, 19:39

clopixolacuphase wrote: ↑21 Apr 2020, 19:37
Oh. Even though it's better Maybe even Martin might beat non-PED Miller. Seems like a lame choice, still.

Hey, AJ said it, not me!

They're still lame choices for AJ's Hitlist though aren't they? There's much better fighters out there. Worry about the top 3 I guess.

Who are all the much better fighters? Miller is no surprise, big mouth undefeated dude who AJ was already scheduled to fight, he was in every top 10

Fury
Wilder
Usyk
Ortiz
Miller

Look at who the division actually has, i don't see what's so lame about this . Understandable that he wouldn't be actively gunning for guys he already KO'd or widely beat, doesn't mean he wouldn't fight them of course

clopixolacuphase wrote: ↑21 Apr 2020, 19:43

oogiebe wrote: ↑21 Apr 2020, 19:39
Hey, AJ said it, not me!

They're still lame choices for AJ's Hitlist though aren't they? There's much better fighters out there. Worry about the top 3 I guess.

So who should his Big Six be? Who else is there better than this list? And don't say Helenius. Kow will be him in a rematch if it happens.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑21 Apr 2020, 19:44 Who are all the much better fighters? Miller is no surprise, big mouth undefeated dude who AJ was already scheduled to fight, he was in every top 10

Fury
Wilder
Usyk
Ortiz
Miller

Look at who the division actually has, i don't see what's so lame about this . Understandable that he wouldn't be actively gunning for guys he already KO'd or widely beat, doesn't mean he wouldn't fight them of course

Hmm. if he makes his way through Fury, Wilder and Usyk, I see Ortiz as being too old by then and Miller completely defanged, plus also the original list was six fighters and one of them was Kownacki, who was just KO'd by Helenius. I rather see Whyte, Rivas, Dubois, Joyce, Hgrovich, Yoka... Somebody new who will have established themselves a bit more by the time he works his way through the first three.

TBH I like his list a lot more than the likes of Rivas and Joyce. Guys like Yoka are still prospects and who knows what will happen with them. Maybe Miller will be defanged, but we've seen regularly guys come back from Ped-ing and have success, and even still keep using lol. Ort is an oldie and should be fought sooner than later though , I agree.

I'd guess that he made his list before Kow got beat by Helly

oogiebe wrote: ↑21 Apr 2020, 19:54

clopixolacuphase wrote: ↑21 Apr 2020, 19:43
They're still lame choices for AJ's Hitlist though aren't they? There's much better fighters out there. Worry about the top 3 I guess.

So who should his Big Six be? Who else is there better than this list? And don't say Helenius. Kow will be him in a rematch if it happens.

Not sure on Kow, I can see him starting to take a bunch of Ls now. That no defense style often goes downhill hard.

clopixolacuphase wrote: ↑21 Apr 2020, 19:58

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑21 Apr 2020, 19:44 Who are all the much better fighters? Miller is no surprise, big mouth undefeated dude who AJ was already scheduled to fight, he was in every top 10

Fury
Wilder
Usyk
Ortiz
Miller

Look at who the division actually has, i don't see what's so lame about this . Understandable that he wouldn't be actively gunning for guys he already KO'd or widely beat, doesn't mean he wouldn't fight them of course

Hmm. if he makes his way through Fury, Wilder and Usyk, I see Ortiz as being too old by then and Miller completely defanged, plus also the original list was six fighters and one of them was Kownacki, who was just KO'd by Helenius. I rather see Whyte, Rivas, Dubois, Joyce, Hgrovich, Yoka... Somebody new who will have established themselves a bit more by the time he works his way through the first three.

If he makes his way through Fury, Wilder and Usyk, he can fight whomever he wants. He'll be arguably best since Lewis.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑21 Apr 2020, 20:03

oogiebe wrote: ↑21 Apr 2020, 19:54

So who should his Big Six be? Who else is there better than this list? And don't say Helenius. Kow will be him in a rematch if it happens.

Not sure on Kow, I can see him starting to take a bunch of Ls now. That no defense style often goes downhill hard.

Maybe. Maybe even likely. But there's a chance he can still learn something and come back better.
Although I don't think he ever was worth having him in the discussion. It's a shallow talent pool.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑21 Apr 2020, 19:59 TBH I like his list a lot more than the likes of Rivas and Joyce. Guys like Yoka are still prospects and who knows what will happen with them. Maybe Miller will be defanged, but we've seen regularly guys come back from Ped-ing and have success, and even still keep using lol. Ort is an oldie and should be fought sooner than later though , I agree.

I'd guess that he made his list before Kow got beat by Helly

AJ fights twice a year, this year it might not even be at all. By the time Fury-Wilder 3 is over, and AJ's mandatories are out the way, at least one or two of those fighters I've mentioned will have made enough noise for it to be them by then.

I suppose I just dislike him listing those guys when he knows they're crap. Why not just pick mention some hungry young blood?

oogiebe wrote: ↑21 Apr 2020, 20:03

clopixolacuphase wrote: ↑21 Apr 2020, 19:58
Hmm. if he makes his way through Fury, Wilder and Usyk, I see Ortiz as being too old by then and Miller completely defanged, plus also the original list was six fighters and one of them was Kownacki, who was just KO'd by Helenius. I rather see Whyte, Rivas, Dubois, Joyce, Hgrovich, Yoka... Somebody new who will have established themselves a bit more by the time he works his way through the first three.

If he makes his way through Fury, Wilder and Usyk, he can fight whomever he wants. He'll be arguably best since Lewis.

Yeah, I don't think he will, but if he does: I agree.

oogiebe wrote: ↑21 Apr 2020, 20:05

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑21 Apr 2020, 20:03

Not sure on Kow, I can see him starting to take a bunch of Ls now. That no defense style often goes downhill hard.

Maybe. Maybe even likely. But there's a chance he can still learn something and come back better.
Although I don't think he ever was worth having him in the discussion. It's a shallow talent pool.

Tbh he did very well to make it as long as he did before taking that L. That was a good run for such a limited guy

He shouldn’t have Ortiz in there because he’s been smashed twice by Wilder, and he’s 58 years old.

He shouldn’t have Kownacki in there because he’s been beat up by Helenius.

He shouldn’t have Miller in there because he’s a proven dirty cheat. He shouldn’t be handed a fookin payday.

Fury, Wilder & Usyk make sense definitely, even more so if Usyk beats Chisora. If Fury beat Wilder again I think the interest in a AJ/Wilder fight would be lower but still intriguing.

Whyte for obvious reasons is someone I thought he’d have mentioned.
Joe Joyce would’ve been a nice surprise despite how he’s got an extremely tough fight against Dubois.
Hunter would’ve been more interesting than Miller.

Fury is a proven cheat too , Whyte's failed tests for 2 fights too, as has Ort and Pov. It's almost par for the course these days.

Fury lose ko
WIlder. lose ko
Usyk close
miller win ko
Kownacki win ko
Ortiz lose pts

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑22 Apr 2020, 21:47 Fury is a proven cheat too , Whyte's failed tests for 2 fights too, as has Ort and Pov. It's almost par for the course these days.

proven , how is fury a drug cheat? , a failed drug test, what drug is performance enhancing

brilo33 wrote: ↑23 Apr 2020, 12:47

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑22 Apr 2020, 21:47 Fury is a proven cheat too , Whyte's failed tests for 2 fights too, as has Ort and Pov. It's almost par for the course these days.

proven , how is fury a drug cheat? , a failed drug test, what drug is performance enhancing

lol have you been living under a rock? you don't know about Fury popping hot for PEdS?

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑23 Apr 2020, 14:58

brilo33 wrote: ↑23 Apr 2020, 12:47

proven , how is fury a drug cheat? , a failed drug test, what drug is performance enhancing

lol have you been living under a rock? you don't know about Fury popping hot for PEdS?

what peds

nandrolone

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑23 Apr 2020, 15:05 nandrolone

whats it do. so if i take will i win a world title

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑23 Apr 2020, 15:05 nandrolone

do you think boxers should be able to train at altitude

brilo33 wrote: ↑23 Apr 2020, 15:11

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑23 Apr 2020, 15:05 nandrolone

whats it do. so if i take will i win a world title

Muscle growth and strength, more stamina, faster recovery

Yep, you'd be a journeyman without it but a world champ with it, I'm sure brilly

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑23 Apr 2020, 15:14

brilo33 wrote: ↑23 Apr 2020, 15:11

whats it do. so if i take will i win a world title

Muscle growth and strength, more stamina, faster recovery

Yep, you'd be a journeyman without it but a world champ with it, I'm sure brilly

sounds a great drug why aint the whole world taking it?

Lots of athletes try to get away with taking it, Hughie and Ortiz and Browne too

Nandrolone is found in every huhman body ,is it not

brilo33 wrote: ↑23 Apr 2020, 15:17

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑23 Apr 2020, 15:14

Muscle growth and strength, more stamina, faster recovery

Yep, you'd be a journeyman without it but a world champ with it, I'm sure brilly

sounds a great drug why aint the whole world taking it?

Um...because it's a banned substance. Many are still taking it but hiding it.