Re: Weakest HOF inductees?
Posted: 27 Apr 2020, 21:01
When you consider who is getting in nowadays there's no question Cuevas belongs
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Re: Weakest HOF inductees?
Posted: 27 Apr 2020, 21:11
Re: Weakest HOF inductees?
Posted: 27 Apr 2020, 21:11
Did Vitaly? Or hamed?oogiebe wrote: ↑27 Apr 2020, 20:38Never won a big fight.Duran1970 wrote: ↑27 Apr 2020, 19:08 Youngest welter champ I believe.
12-1 in title fights
11 straight defenses 10 by KO
A devastating puncher..underated in my opinion shame he's mostly remembered getting destroyed by Hearns and Duran..no shame in that.
I guess 11 title defenses almost all by KO grow on trees
Re: Weakest HOF inductees?
Posted: 27 Apr 2020, 21:13
He belongs more than vitali.
Most of these recent classes are stacked with guys several levels above cuevas. If you're trying to grab the handful less deserving than you're making my point for me
Most of these recent classes are stacked with guys several levels above cuevas. If you're trying to grab the handful less deserving than you're making my point for me
Re: Weakest HOF inductees?
Posted: 27 Apr 2020, 21:29
If Palomino is in so should Cuevas..
Ingo? McGuigan? Perkins? McGirt?
Those are recent...and you proved my point by mentioning Vitaly
Ingo? McGuigan? Perkins? McGirt?
Those are recent...and you proved my point by mentioning Vitaly
Re: Weakest HOF inductees?
Posted: 27 Apr 2020, 21:31
Re: Weakest HOF inductees?
Posted: 27 Apr 2020, 21:41
Yes, all of those guys are more deserving than cuevas. You can make a case against their induction, but not with cuevas up on a pedestal.
Proved what point? That one bad decision validates another? You're obviously a huge cuevas fan that can't look at it objectively. I liked him too.
Re: Weakest HOF inductees?
Posted: 27 Apr 2020, 21:50
The topic is weakest hof inductees..so I was surprised to see Cuevas name even mentioned considering who's in..I'm not trying to come across saying he's a first ballot all time great or anything like that..just surprised at the lack of respect he got..just my opinion
Re: Weakest HOF inductees?
Posted: 27 Apr 2020, 21:55
No lack of respect. I mentioned him, you called me crazy like I mentioned a first ballot hofer and somebody else agreed with me. Like I said, vitali is clearly the least deserving, cuevas would be in the next dozen or so at a minimum. He was the 3rd one that came to my mind.Duran1970 wrote: ↑27 Apr 2020, 21:50 The topic is weakest hof inductees..so I was surprised to see Cuevas name even mentioned considering who's in..I'm not trying to come across saying he's a first ballot all time great or anything like that..just surprised at the lack of respect he got..just my opinion
Re: Weakest HOF inductees?
Posted: 27 Apr 2020, 22:00
Look at it this way. Jose Luis Castillo isn't even on the ballot and he is undoubtedly more accomplished than pipino.
You can make a pretty good case that Judah has a better resume.
You can make a pretty good case that Judah has a better resume.
Re: Weakest HOF inductees?
Posted: 27 Apr 2020, 22:16
I respect your opinion...it's just me..I've always put more stock in fighters of prior generations than I do fin recent times..I'm getting old..and.I don't think Judah accomplished what Cuevas did..
Re: Weakest HOF inductees?
Posted: 27 Apr 2020, 22:20
I put way more stock in the fighters of old. Cuevas was wrecking people when I fell in love with the sport. He has like 6 solid wins and no good losses.
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Sorry bro, you're remembering the mystique when he was breaking jaws, but he didn't do anymore than zab who actually has good losses and at least as many good wins. Neither of them belong. I think cuevas would kick his ass, but that can't be a part of rating fighters.
I respect your opinion too, just seems you're taking this one on without a leg to stand on. No worries.
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Sorry bro, you're remembering the mystique when he was breaking jaws, but he didn't do anymore than zab who actually has good losses and at least as many good wins. Neither of them belong. I think cuevas would kick his ass, but that can't be a part of rating fighters.
I respect your opinion too, just seems you're taking this one on without a leg to stand on. No worries.
Re: Weakest HOF inductees?
Posted: 27 Apr 2020, 22:32
Judah never had 11 straight defenses with devastating Kos.. surprised you dropped that name.. Judah is not a hof.
Re: Weakest HOF inductees?
Posted: 27 Apr 2020, 23:12
Bradock is another that has no business IMO. Norton as borderline is a good shout. Heavyweights get overrated. Seems if you held the title you got in at one point. Did Sharkey or Willard really do enough? Probably not.
Re: Weakest HOF inductees?
Posted: 27 Apr 2020, 23:13
I think you and me might be two of the only people in the world that give Castillo the credit he deserves.Onetimeonly wrote: ↑27 Apr 2020, 22:00 Look at it this way. Jose Luis Castillo isn't even on the ballot and he is undoubtedly more accomplished than pipino.
You can make a pretty good case that Judah has a better resume.
Re: Weakest HOF inductees?
Posted: 27 Apr 2020, 23:19
I feel Castillo should at least be strongly considered. He was an excellent champion and picked up some excellent scalps. Was involved in one of the greatest fights ever and the majority felt he was 1-1 vs. Mayweather in Mayweather’s prime. As a very keen student of Mexican boxing history he’s definitely more accomplished than the fellow Mexicans already enshrined: Zaragoza, Cuevas, Palamino, Pintor (his gift over Zarate helped a lot), Chiquita and just to show what a joke IBHOF is guys like Roman, Medel, Herrera, Castillo, Martinez were just as good (or better) and also won’t get a sniff.gilgamesh wrote: ↑27 Apr 2020, 23:13I think you and me might be two of the only people in the world that give Castillo the credit he deserves.Onetimeonly wrote: ↑27 Apr 2020, 22:00 Look at it this way. Jose Luis Castillo isn't even on the ballot and he is undoubtedly more accomplished than pipino.
You can make a pretty good case that Judah has a better resume.
Is Cuevas any more accomplished than Zamora? Zamora has better wins and was just as devastating a puncher or even more so.
Re: Weakest HOF inductees?
Posted: 28 Apr 2020, 00:08
Tbf, you can still be among the weakest group without being the absolute weakest. You can have a better case than Vit and co but still be pretty weak yourself (not speaking specifically about Cuevas, but I don't think the fact that weaker guys are in means a guy isn't still weak himself)Duran1970 wrote: ↑27 Apr 2020, 21:50 The topic is weakest hof inductees..so I was surprised to see Cuevas name even mentioned considering who's in..I'm not trying to come across saying he's a first ballot all time great or anything like that..just surprised at the lack of respect he got..just my opinion
Re: Weakest HOF inductees?
Posted: 28 Apr 2020, 00:09
I never said he was. Kos , devastating or not, against guys like Clarke and volbrecht aren't worth a thing. Zab would be soundly favored against every fighter cuevas beat.
Re: Weakest HOF inductees?
Posted: 28 Apr 2020, 00:15
By the way, this doesn't have much to do with this conversation, but since we're talking Judah I wanted to bring it up. Since I rarely get the chance, and it's one of those things that kinda went unnoticed.Onetimeonly wrote: ↑28 Apr 2020, 00:09I never said he was. Kos , devastating or not, against guys like Clarke and volbrecht aren't worth a thing. Zab would be soundly favored against every fighter cuevas beat.
I thought he got a gift over Rafael Pineda on the Jones/Tarver 2 undercard.
Re: Weakest HOF inductees?
Posted: 28 Apr 2020, 00:19
I was at a fight party getting tanked waiting to watch Roy whip ass. Pineda was solid, don't recall the fight. Now, I remember Whitaker beating the crap out if pineda. I think that was the compubox record for punches landed. That's a guy that could clown Judah and cuevas in the same night.
Re: Weakest HOF inductees?
Posted: 28 Apr 2020, 00:19
Ya, pretty surprising to me that he's not even on the ballot, he has a case for sure. Officially getting that deserved W in the first Floyd fight would've obviously made him much harder to miss, but even then he had a nice career and was in one of the best fights everchrisjs1985 wrote: ↑27 Apr 2020, 23:19I feel Castillo should at least be strongly considered. He was an excellent champion and picked up some excellent scalps. Was involved in one of the greatest fights ever and the majority felt he was 1-1 vs. Mayweather in Mayweather’s prime. As a very keen student of Mexican boxing history he’s definitely more accomplished than the fellow Mexicans already enshrined: Zaragoza, Cuevas, Palamino, Pintor (his gift over Zarate helped a lot), Chiquita and just to show what a joke IBHOF is guys like Roman, Medel, Herrera, Castillo, Martinez were just as good (or better) and also won’t get a sniff.
Is Cuevas any more accomplished than Zamora? Zamora has better wins and was just as devastating a puncher or even more so.
Re: Weakest HOF inductees?
Posted: 28 Apr 2020, 00:25
Damn, just went over pipinos record to make sure I wasn't missing anything. I can't believe he got a title shot! He was 15-6 and list his previous fight to Andy price, who beat palomino too, and he's the only name guy he fought.
Awesome he racked up 11 defenses after that, but no way should he be in.
Awesome he racked up 11 defenses after that, but no way should he be in.
Re: Weakest HOF inductees?
Posted: 28 Apr 2020, 00:27
Wins over Diego Corrales, Joel Casamayor, Stevie Johnston, and Juan Lazcano are certainly nothing to take lightly either. He has other good wins too, but those 4 are probably his best official wins.margaret thatcher wrote: ↑28 Apr 2020, 00:19Ya, pretty surprising to me that he's not even on the ballot, he has a case for sure. Officially getting that deserved W in the first Floyd fight would've obviously made him much harder to miss, but even then he had a nice career and was in one of the best fights everchrisjs1985 wrote: ↑27 Apr 2020, 23:19
I feel Castillo should at least be strongly considered. He was an excellent champion and picked up some excellent scalps. Was involved in one of the greatest fights ever and the majority felt he was 1-1 vs. Mayweather in Mayweather’s prime. As a very keen student of Mexican boxing history he’s definitely more accomplished than the fellow Mexicans already enshrined: Zaragoza, Cuevas, Palamino, Pintor (his gift over Zarate helped a lot), Chiquita and just to show what a joke IBHOF is guys like Roman, Medel, Herrera, Castillo, Martinez were just as good (or better) and also won’t get a sniff.
Is Cuevas any more accomplished than Zamora? Zamora has better wins and was just as devastating a puncher or even more so.
Floyd is his best win, unofficially of course.
If he gets that win, it changes the whole course of the last 20 years of Boxing history.
Re: Weakest HOF inductees?
Posted: 28 Apr 2020, 00:29
Floyd is a great result for him. Every loss can't be a negative. Never understood that mentality rating athletes.
Re: Weakest HOF inductees?
Posted: 28 Apr 2020, 00:30
He got screwed worse against corrales than he did against Floyd. He knocked that piece of chit out!