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gilgamesh wrote: ↑30 Apr 2020, 19:31

elmersalsa wrote: ↑30 Apr 2020, 19:27

ANOTHER interesting thing about Gene was that with boxers, he would rush on them and make the fight ugly and use constant pressure. When he was fighting sluggers, he would outbox them. HE was a terrific tactician.

He definitely was the boxer of the two against Carmen Basilio.

LOL! Very few if any weren't.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑30 Apr 2020, 18:35

elmersalsa wrote: ↑30 Apr 2020, 17:21 The great Gene Fullmer. HE made it rough and ugly, but was quite very effective. He was a greater ring tactician than given credit for.

One of my favorite descriptions of Gene Fullmer's style was in Ring Magazine one time.

"Gene Fullmer was a relentless pressure fighter. He'd pressure you constantly. If it wasn't working. He'd pressure you some more. If that didn't work. He'd crank up the pressure a little bit, and if it still wasn't working. He'd try pressure"

Fullmer was the one that immediately came to mind for me. He'd sometimes assume a kind of weird, cross-armed guard in the ring that always looked strange.

And while pre-WWI fighters tend to look awkward, in general, compared to later fighters, Philadelphia Jack O'Brien, in particular, was not pleasant to watch from the little bit of film I've seen. They talk about fighters who are runners but he sometimes seemed to literally sprint back and forth across the ring to avoid an opponent.

How could I forget a favorite of mine,Tyson Fury.
When i first saw him ,was against Klitschko.Man it was horrible.I thought to myself he's awful why doesn't Klitschko smash him.

A very ugly style I thought.
Then i began watching him and looked more closely and better understood the Klitschko fight.
All the herking jerking twitching had him looking for a counter.
Against Wilder I really thought he looked good.But his other fights often uggh.

zuru wrote: ↑01 May 2020, 18:38 How could I forget a favorite of mine,Tyson Fury.
When i first saw him ,was against Klitschko.Man it was horrible.I thought to myself he's awful why doesn't Klitschko smash him.

A very ugly style I thought.
Then i began watching him and looked more closely and better understood the Klitschko fight.
All the herking jerking twitching had him looking for a counter.
Against Wilder I really thought he looked good.But his other fights often uggh.

Fury didn't do sh*t against Klitschko except throw a few punches at a guy who was basically throwing none.

One of the worst fights ever.

The result of a win over Wladimir is only impressive if you don't actually see the fight.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑01 May 2020, 18:42

zuru wrote: ↑01 May 2020, 18:38 How could I forget a favorite of mine,Tyson Fury.
When i first saw him ,was against Klitschko.Man it was horrible.I thought to myself he's awful why doesn't Klitschko smash him.

A very ugly style I thought.
Then i began watching him and looked more closely and better understood the Klitschko fight.
All the herking jerking twitching had him looking for a counter.
Against Wilder I really thought he looked good.But his other fights often uggh.

Fury didn't do sh*t against Klitschko except throw a few punches at a guy who was basically throwing none.

One of the worst fights ever.

The result of a win over Wladimir is only impressive if you don't actually see the fight.

Amen Brother!

He had Wilder as mostly a staring contest participant too, his opponents usually drop their output vs him, i think he has them hypnotized with his swaying gypsy love handles

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑01 May 2020, 18:49 He had Wilder as mostly a staring contest participant too, funny how his opponents just all drop their output vs him, maybe he has them hypnotized with his swaying gypsy love handles

Kilt threw nothing. Wilder threw plenty and missed. Are you saying all his opponents threw less or just missed more aside from Wlad.

Pff, Wilder was a staring contest man himself, it was like 20 punches a round stuff and especially in the rematch he was just totally frozen at times. It's a common thing with Fury opponents, their output drops compared to their usual workrate. It's happened enough for it to obviously be something about Fury

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑01 May 2020, 18:49 He had Wilder as mostly a staring contest participant too, funny how his opponents just all drop their output vs him, maybe he has them hypnotized with his swaying love handles

That's right. Fury is an elusive target. That's why he won Klitschko. People criticize him for doing nothing against Klitschko. Ok, praise then those, who was trying something and got KOed. People criticize Klitschko for doing even less than Fury. Ok, go and watch how successful were those, who tried more. Klitschko has never been outboxed, except that fight. That's was a helluva achievement for Fury.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑01 May 2020, 18:57 Pff, Wilder was a staring contest man himself, it was like 20 punches a round stuff and especially in the rematch he was just totally frozen at times. It's a common thing with Fury opponents, their output drops compared to their usual workrate. It's happened enough for it to obviously be something about Fury

At one point against Wlad he was in a corner with both his arms outstretched on top of the rope. Nothing about Fury. All about Wlad being a gutless p*ssy in that fight who wouldn't throw a punch at a wide open target.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again.

I'd get knocked out in 1 round by Fury, but in that 1 round I'd give a better effort than Wladimir gave.

If it's not something about Fury's boxing, what the hell is it then. Does he hypnotize them ? Drug them? Pay them off? Why does it keep happening more when guys fight Fury?

gilgamesh wrote: ↑01 May 2020, 18:59

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑01 May 2020, 18:57 Pff, Wilder was a staring contest man himself, it was like 20 punches a round stuff and especially in the rematch he was just totally frozen at times. It's a common thing with Fury opponents, their output drops compared to their usual workrate. It's happened enough for it to obviously be something about Fury

At one point against Wlad he was in a corner with both his arms outstretched on top of the rope. Nothing about Fury. All about Wlad being a gutless p*ssy in that fight who wouldn't throw a punch at a wide open target.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again.

I'd get knocked out in 1 round by Fury, but in that 1 round I'd give a better effort than Wladimir gave.

Wow, almost as if he realized Wlad was befuddled and too hesistant to throw at him

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑01 May 2020, 18:59 If it's not something about Fury's boxing, what the hell is it then. Does he hypnotize them ? Drug them? Pay them off? Why does it keep happening more when guys fight Fury?

Fury is a wizard. He can change his height and hypnotize opponents. People just don't get it.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑01 May 2020, 18:59 If it's not something about Fury's boxing, what the hell is it then. Does he hypnotize them ? Drug them? Pay them off? Why does it keep happening more when guys fight Fury?

It was only Wlad who gave no effort whatsoever.

Wilder flailed, and missed wildly a lot. Knocked him down twice too.

Wilder was throwing quite a few shots in the first few rounds of the rematch. He started throwing less after getting dropped in the 3rd round, and seemed so off balance the rest of the night I'm convinced he either had a busted ear drum or a concussion so that would explain his lower output from that point onward in the fight.

I mean, if it's not Fury's boxing, then this is some huge deal.

What is this magic secret that can make opponents significantly drop their workrate and fight less confidently? How do we get a hold of this and use it to our advantage?

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑01 May 2020, 18:57 Pff, Wilder was a staring contest man himself, it was like 20 punches a round stuff and especially in the rematch he was just totally frozen at times. It's a common thing with Fury opponents, their output drops compared to their usual workrate. It's happened enough for it to obviously be something about Fury

So you're saying all of Fury's opponents have drastically less punch output from their other fights.

DrDuke wrote: ↑01 May 2020, 19:01

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑01 May 2020, 18:59 If it's not something about Fury's boxing, what the hell is it then. Does he hypnotize them ? Drug them? Pay them off? Why does it keep happening more when guys fight Fury?

Fury is a wizard. He can change his height and hypnotize opponents. People just don't get it.

I get a guy putting up no fight when I see it.

I ain't saying people should attack with abandon obviously, but the idea of winning a Boxing match is throwing punches.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑01 May 2020, 19:03

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑01 May 2020, 18:59 If it's not something about Fury's boxing, what the hell is it then. Does he hypnotize them ? Drug them? Pay them off? Why does it keep happening more when guys fight Fury?

It was only Wlad who gave no effort whatsoever.

Wilder flailed, and missed wildly a lot. Knocked him down twice too.

Wilder was throwing quite a few shots in the first few rounds of the rematch. He started throwing less after getting dropped in the 3rd round, and seemed so off balance the rest of the night I'm convinced he either had a busted ear drum or a concussion so that would explain his lower output from that point onward in the fight.

2 kds only takes 2 punches, Wlad threw that many too. Wilder's output was poo, rewatch the fights.Power doesn't equal output. He was throwing like 10 punches a round at points. Wilder, like Wlad and other Fury opponents, was made into a more hesistant, less confident and less active fighter than normal. It happens over and over.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑01 May 2020, 19:03 I mean, if it's not Fury's boxing, then this is some huge deal.

What is this magic secret that can make opponents significantly drop their workrate and fight less confidently? How do we get a hold of this and use it to our advantage?

Wladimir showed up and stared for 12 rounds, putting up no effort whatsoever. I don't know what it was about, but he didn't fight.

I'm not gonna give Fury credit for a guy not showing up and giving a serious effort as if he did something.

oogiebe wrote: ↑01 May 2020, 19:03

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑01 May 2020, 18:57 Pff, Wilder was a staring contest man himself, it was like 20 punches a round stuff and especially in the rematch he was just totally frozen at times. It's a common thing with Fury opponents, their output drops compared to their usual workrate. It's happened enough for it to obviously be something about Fury

So you're saying all of Fury's opponents have drastically less punch output from their other fights.

I'm not sure that literally every opponent, I haven't seen that, but ya it's a common thing that his opponents output depletes. Just like Del goes from plodding around aimlessly hardly punching other than a moment here and there, to a total tear up with Whyte. Since Fury begin his herky jerky style, it makes his opponents far more negative themselves and it plays to his advantage.

Otherwise, like I say, if it's not Furys boxing he must have some sort of hexx over his opponents

gilgamesh wrote: ↑01 May 2020, 19:06

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑01 May 2020, 19:03 I mean, if it's not Fury's boxing, then this is some huge deal.

What is this magic secret that can make opponents significantly drop their workrate and fight less confidently? How do we get a hold of this and use it to our advantage?

Wladimir showed up and stared for 12 rounds, putting up no effort whatsoever. I don't know what it was about, but he didn't fight.

I'm not gonna give Fury credit for a guy not showing up and giving a serious effort as if he did something.

As I see it it's all pretty much the same thing, and obviously relates to Fury in some way, it makes sense that the most tentative guy to start with would still be the most tentative vs Fury

There's a difference between giving less of an effort, and giving f*cking none.

Wlad just woke up that day and decided "Ya know what I don't feel like being Heavyweight Champion anymore" is all I can guess, because that's how he performed in that fight.

To me Fury has nothing to be proud of either because he was fighting a guy doing f*ck all for 12 rounds, not even fighting back, and he couldn't manage to stop him or take him out.

Fury barely gave an effort either. It's just that barely giving an effort is better than giving no effort whatsoever, so he won.

Ya, then I guess Fury really is drugging these guys with some sort of de-motivater

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑01 May 2020, 19:10

gilgamesh wrote: ↑01 May 2020, 19:06

Wladimir showed up and stared for 12 rounds, putting up no effort whatsoever. I don't know what it was about, but he didn't fight.

I'm not gonna give Fury credit for a guy not showing up and giving a serious effort as if he did something.

As I see it it's all pretty much the same thing, and obviously relates to Fury in some way, it makes sense that the most tentative guy to start with would still be the most tentative vs Fury

My opinion on the Wlad vs Fury fight won't ever change for the rest of my life. I know what I saw.

A staring contest, and a joke of a fight.

Fury has finally redeemed himself in my eyes slightly with his last 2 fights. He'll never fully live down the stench of that fight.

Funny enough Wilder averaged about the same punches per round in the rematch that Wlad did vs Fury, just woke up and didn't want to be champ I guess