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Wee Tommy wrote: ↑06 May 2020, 17:30

oogiebe wrote: ↑06 May 2020, 17:11
How so? I gotta go back and see. Gimme a couple of fights to see the diff. Hags seemed to change styles depending on who he fought.

I’m sure he said himself at the time he wasn’t leaving things in the judges hands again, I’m going simply on memory.

He actually made reference to that sentiment. I remember that. He was pretty upset and rightly so.

oogiebe wrote: ↑06 May 2020, 17:32

Wee Tommy wrote: ↑06 May 2020, 17:30

I’m sure he said himself at the time he wasn’t leaving things in the judges hands again, I’m going simply on memory.

He actually made reference to that sentiment. I remember that. He was pretty upset and rightly so.

He then became very aggressive in the majority of his fights, Duran and Leonard being exceptions. Due to their high level of course.

Maybe more to do with lifestyle, condition, discipline and the ability to rely on single punch power, but Mike Tyson.

Went from rapid handspeed and head movement, shifting of angles and volume punching.

To a stationary fighter loading up on singles and short bursts,.

I also though Ricky Hatton abandened his head movement, foot work and angles from the Tszyu fight onwards, Probably mainly to do with the standard of competition increase and being slightly passed his peak,

Macho Camacho when he went to Lightweight...

Kit wrote: ↑07 May 2020, 04:49 Maybe more to do with lifestyle, condition, discipline and the ability to rely on single punch power, but Mike Tyson.

Went from rapid handspeed and head movement, shifting of angles and volume punching.

To a stationary fighter loading up on singles and short bursts,.

I also though Ricky Hatton abandened his head movement, foot work and angles from the Tszyu fight onwards, Probably mainly to do with the standard of competition increase and being slightly passed his peak,

I've always thought that about Hatton too, but apart from Mayweather and Pacquiao I don't think many of his post-Tszyu opponents were all that much better than what he'd already faced pre-Tszyu. There was nothing special about Maussa, Collazo, Urango and Lazcano and he made all those fights harder than they should have been, in fact I think he was lucky to get the decision over Collazo.

Eubank post Watson lost some of his 'killer instinct'.

Tommy Hearns in the AM’s was a master boxer who relied on skill to win. In the pros he transformed into the Hitman with brutal KO power. Still had that phenomenal Jab though.

Deserter wrote: ↑06 May 2020, 04:24

banjo wrote: ↑06 May 2020, 04:00

Lloyd Honeyghan went from a smart boxer/puncher to a seek and destroy brawler after he beat Curry.

Yep, great call.

To a lesser extent Naz also abandoned his elusive style as he fell in love with his power - Belcastro couldn't lay a glove on the original version of Naz, while the latter version ended up life and death with the likes of Paul Ingle.

Paul Ingle was true world class.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑07 May 2020, 08:19

Deserter wrote: ↑06 May 2020, 04:24
Yep, great call.

To a lesser extent Naz also abandoned his elusive style as he fell in love with his power - Belcastro couldn't lay a glove on the original version of Naz, while the latter version ended up life and death with the likes of Paul Ingle.

Paul Ingle was true world class.

Naz peaked at 21, Robinson was prob his best performance, even though Robinson took the fight when he was on holiday at a couple of weeks notice.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑07 May 2020, 08:19

Deserter wrote: ↑06 May 2020, 04:24
Yep, great call.

To a lesser extent Naz also abandoned his elusive style as he fell in love with his power - Belcastro couldn't lay a glove on the original version of Naz, while the latter version ended up life and death with the likes of Paul Ingle.

Paul Ingle was true world class.

Doesn't change the fact that he wouldn't have come close against a prime version of Naz.

Herol Graham, start of career as a light middle 22 wins 6 KO's , steps up to middle and 26 wins 22 KO's.

People have said Floyd and Calzaghe but I always thought it was funny how they both changed their style up because of hand injuries and it ended up enhancing their longevity.

Whenever I watch the old fights on YouTube I’m always shocked when the pundits call Floyd and Joe merciless power punchers in the build up to their early fights.

Any fighter who has a very long career has to adapt. Maybe I’m getting cause and effect mixed up, however. Bernard Hopkins and Amir Khan spring to mind.

AntonioMartin wrote: ↑07 May 2020, 05:04 Macho Camacho when he went to Lightweight...

track shoes at the ready.

b-hop - attacking roughouse fighter and later became a backfoot roughouse fighter.

barrera - did fight more cautious from the jr jones rematch (although paul lloyd might disagree ).

Benn against Wharton

hitman_hatton1 wrote: ↑08 May 2020, 07:31

AntonioMartin wrote: ↑07 May 2020, 05:04 Macho Camacho when he went to Lightweight...

track shoes at the ready.
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lol yes sr.!

Hiroshi Kawashima was apparently rebuilt from an aggressive up close guy to an outside boxer due to his two early stoppage losses

The SRL against Hearns fight.

Leonard becomes the stalker looking for a big shot.

Hearns becomes the master boxer. Either jabbing upstairs or downstairs and getting on his bike.

Hearns was fantastic in this fight. I pray that one day I watch it and he hangs on til the end.

Give Hearns a decent set of legs and he could of been Top 5 best ever.

Shhhh wrote: ↑08 May 2020, 15:33 At some point Holyfield changed his style a lot when he started to use his huge bald skull as a third glove

And to outmuscle his opponents!

Rocky Balboa in his rematch with Clubber Lang.

He slimmed down to 191 pounds, so much so, he looked like a middleweight!

banjo wrote: ↑07 May 2020, 05:27

Kit wrote: ↑07 May 2020, 04:49 Maybe more to do with lifestyle, condition, discipline and the ability to rely on single punch power, but Mike Tyson.

Went from rapid handspeed and head movement, shifting of angles and volume punching.

To a stationary fighter loading up on singles and short bursts,.

I also though Ricky Hatton abandened his head movement, foot work and angles from the Tszyu fight onwards, Probably mainly to do with the standard of competition increase and being slightly passed his peak,

I've always thought that about Hatton too, but apart from Mayweather and Pacquiao I don't think many of his post-Tszyu opponents were all that much better than what he'd already faced pre-Tszyu. There was nothing special about Maussa, Collazo, Urango and Lazcano and he made all those fights harder than they should have been, in fact I think he was lucky to get the decision over Collazo.

Totally agree. I think Hatton's burgeoning ego post-Tszyu had a lot to do with his decline in skills. He walked through some absolute flush bombs in the middle rounds to get into Tszyu's chest - don't forget Tszyu was regarded as one of boxing's biggest punchers and strongest physical specimens at the time - I believe after that he just thought "if I can do that to Tszyu I can do that to anyone" and stopped focusing on the finer skills that had got him to that point.

Probably also didn't help that he started to blow up worse than ever between camps to the point where they were spending the first few weeks getting his weight down to a manageable level. So - even less time to work on the tricky stuff.

I think his eagerness to show us how much of a man of the people he was with his binge drinking and eating shite definitely blew up in his face and shortened his career.

banjo wrote: ↑09 May 2020, 10:59 I think his eagerness to show us how much of a man of the people he was with his binge drinking and eating shite definitely blew up in his face and shortened his career.

Absolutely. Very different styles and personalities, but something in Hatton reminds me of Naz - both massive draws who became swallowed by their own persona and to some extent that was their undoing.

I don't think it's beyond possibility that had Hatton kept his feet on the ground, he could have given Pacquiao a far better fight and even have nicked a decision. But by the time they fought he'd worn out his chin by needlessly making fight after fight much too difficult for himself. Pre-Tszyu Hatton would never have been turned to jelly by Lazcano! So in retrospect he was never going to survive 12 rounds against that sort of power.

Ted Cheeseman in his last fight!

Arturo Gatti had brilliant technical boxing skills when he chose to fight that way. He was beautiful to watch. He would probably have been more successful had he always fought that way.

I'm not certain he would ever have been good enough to do much with Floyd or Manny but he'd certainly have been more than a match for the likes of Khan, Kotelnik, Maidana, Bradley, Alexander and Garcia