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goose 5 wrote: ↑15 May 2020, 21:08 Arcel said he had about 8 bouts.

Noxy wrote: ↑15 May 2020, 13:24

goose 5 wrote: ↑15 May 2020, 13:19 But can a man who has never boxed teach someone how to box ?

I wouldn’t have thought so but the evidence appears to suggest otherwise. I‘m sure, for example, Enzo didn’t box. Dundee, a top trainer, had a few amateur fights. He must have gained his skills outside the ropes.

mjaco wrote: ↑16 May 2020, 18:12

Noxy wrote: ↑15 May 2020, 13:24

I wouldn’t have thought so but the evidence appears to suggest otherwise. I‘m sure, for example, Enzo didn’t box. Dundee, a top trainer, had a few amateur fights. He must have gained his skills outside the ropes.

Dundee, as far as I know, never had any amateur fights. He got started helping to corner boxers while he was in the army and I believe he always maintained he never boxed. But I think Teddy Atlas did have some amateur fights. So while the list of elite trainers who never boxed is a short one, they do exist.

It's probably extremely difficult to coach someone in a sport you never did yourself, but not completely impossible. An example from another sport would be Edward Clark Gallagher, one of the greatest wrestling coaches in history, who supposedly never wrestled himself.

ezcharles wrote: ↑18 May 2020, 02:13 One of the greatest trainers who ever lived never boxed, Ray Arcel, Arcel trained the two greatest lightweights in boxing history, and he did it over a time spanning many decades. Benny Leonard and Roberto Duran. Arcel also trained the greatest light heavyweight who ever lived, Ezzard Charles. Arcel trained other greats like Tony Zale and Barney Ross and Kid Gavilan. He trained many other world champions and top boxers like heavyweight world champion James Braddock and over 40 years later he trained world heavyweight champion, Larry Holmes. You do not have to be a boxer to be a great boxing trainer.

The best trainer (IMO) in the history of boxing was a boxer, Jack Blackburn. So was the best trainer in the last 50 years of boxing (IMO), Eddie Futch. However, Arcel proves that you do not need to have boxed in order to be a great boxing trainer.

goose 5 wrote: ↑04 Jun 2020, 12:05 Abel boxed pro.

saad1000 wrote: ↑04 Jun 2020, 13:00

goose 5 wrote: ↑04 Jun 2020, 12:05 Abel boxed pro.

Really? I had thought he worked construction and maybe had some amateur boxing background. This article says he had some amateur kick boxing experience. He got started training under Ben Lira, not a bad place to learn.
https://hannibalboxing.com/a-career-bui ... hez-story/

goose 5 wrote: ↑06 Jun 2020, 01:33 I found an interview with Panama Lewis in which he said he boxed in the late 60's and was knocked out by Diego Alcala as a pro. Lewis claimed to have won 16 straight before the loss. He also said he served in Vietnam for a year with the U.S. Army.