George Foreman did beat the count in ...

[BroughtonRulesRefuge]

Seems the sweetheart crowd here makes a good case for jettisoning Western trial by jury by peers after being unable to arrive at a just verdict in spite of overwhelming evidence accumulated. See the misbegotten OJ trial and current global rioting.

The video shows George upright at the 10 sec mark as round 8 ends, his first professional knockdown. He did not quit, but was rather waved off at the beginning of 1 minute rest period as the place erupts full bonkers. Ali instantaneously surrounded by his team, but in obvious distress collapses 20 sec later and has to be assisted back to his stool where he recovers and is interviewed.

Blubber Bob Sheridan the American announcer utterly ruins the fight with incessant blabber supported by the British crumpet David Frost, both so cheerleading pro Ali such that I had to mute just to get peace of mind and better focus. It's Sheridan delivering the actual count that ends at 8 when Clayton waves it off. We never get to see Clayton's full arm waving count because the video cuts out to another view.

BTW, Ali and Herbert admitted to enhancing Clayton with a combined $35+5K "donation." Sadler asked for $25K from Foreman, but we know he'd been in collusion with the Ali camp from inception and likely pocketed most of that. The patriotic, flag waving George was heavily booed from the start of his pro career that displays the mindset of the American boxing crowd. In Zaire in spite of reports, he was as heavily cheered as Ali, so go figure Americans at your own peril.

Clayton was 47 years old, 2 years inactive, and supposedly a former Negro League baseball player counting Jackie Robinson as a teammate, but I can find no record of his career. He's as Blubbery as Bob, but worked hard by Ali who grabs/holds incessantly every chance he gets to stop George's onslaught like he did to Frazier. That fight was near stoppage after Mercante poked out Joe's only good eye trying to get them untangled, and oh how this crowd here would howl in delight about the career half blind Frazier never having a chance had he succumbed to his injury!

Ring ran a 30 year anniversary facsimile post fight edition with commentary from then where Ali refuses to rematch George whereas George ready to rumble the next day. We can see Ali publicly followed through afterwards when he and Cosell showed up at George's Canada exhibition. Ali could see clear to fight Norton and Frazier 3x as well as they fight he, but Ali and Norton could only see clear to fight George once. At least Frazier fought him twice. That Ali publicly turned down $5 million purse by a "black oilman in Indonesia" to fight Chuckles Wepner in Podunk, Ohio for $1 million in his American return, a fighter George easily knocked out in his first year as a novice, tells you all you need to know about how the Zaire fight actually went.

Ali won the slapdash, near aborted disaster in Zaire by a stroke of heavily orchestrated good luck, but George won the war as he proved in his comeback. Ali was forced into a shadowy retirement from the horrific ravages of his career that any true fans of Ali were helpless to prevent as he became a caricature of a fighter he'd once been...Boxing 101 deja vu all over again...ie the latest Corona Virus Mike Tyson hoopla.

[Duran1970]

Are you implying that George woulda won that fight had it not ended when it did ?

[margaret thatcher]

[AntonioMartin]

Seems the sweetheart crowd here makes a good case for jettisoning Western trial by jury by peers after being unable to arrive at a just verdict in spite of overwhelming evidence accumulated. See the misbegotten OJ trial and current global rioting.

The video shows George upright at the 10 sec mark as round 8 ends, his first professional knockdown. He did not quit, but was rather waved off at the beginning of 1 minute rest period as the place erupts full bonkers. Ali instantaneously surrounded by his team, but in obvious distress collapses 20 sec later and has to be assisted back to his stool where he recovers and is interviewed.

Blubber Bob Sheridan the American announcer utterly ruins the fight with incessant blabber supported by the British crumpet David Frost, both so cheerleading pro Ali such that I had to mute just to get peace of mind and better focus. It's Sheridan delivering the actual count that ends at 8 when Clayton waves it off. We never get to see Clayton's full arm waving count because the video cuts out to another view.

BTW, Ali and Herbert admitted to enhancing Clayton with a combined $35+5K "donation." Sadler asked for $25K from Foreman, but we know he'd been in collusion with the Ali camp from inception and likely pocketed most of that. The patriotic, flag waving George was heavily booed from the start of his pro career that displays the mindset of the American boxing crowd. In Zaire in spite of reports, he was as heavily cheered as Ali, so go figure Americans at your own peril.

Clayton was 47 years old, 2 years inactive, and supposedly a former Negro League baseball player counting Jackie Robinson as a teammate, but I can find no record of his career. He's as Blubbery as Bob, but worked hard by Ali who grabs/holds incessantly every chance he gets to stop George's onslaught like he did to Frazier. That fight was near stoppage after Mercante poked out Joe's only good eye trying to get them untangled, and oh how this crowd here would howl in delight about the career half blind Frazier never having a chance had he succumbed to his injury!

Ring ran a 30 year anniversary facsimile post fight edition with commentary from then where Ali refuses to rematch George whereas George ready to rumble the next day. We can see Ali publicly followed through afterwards when he and Cosell showed up at George's Canada exhibition. Ali could see clear to fight Norton and Frazier 3x as well as they fight he, but Ali and Norton could only see clear to fight George once. At least Frazier fought him twice. That Ali publicly turned down $5 million purse by a "black oilman in Indonesia" to fight Chuckles Wepner in Podunk, Ohio for $1 million in his American return, a fighter George easily knocked out in his first year as a novice, tells you all you need to know about how the Zaire fight actually went.

Ali won the slapdash, near aborted disaster in Zaire by a stroke of heavily orchestrated good luck, but George won the war as he proved in his comeback. Ali was forced into a shadowy retirement from the horrific ravages of his career that any true fans of Ali were helpless to prevent as he became a caricature of a fighter he'd once been...Boxing 101 deja vu all over again...ie the latest Corona Virus Mike Tyson hoopla.

George Diaz Smith..is that you writing??

[oogiebe]

Seems the sweetheart crowd here makes a good case for jettisoning Western trial by jury by peers after being unable to arrive at a just verdict in spite of overwhelming evidence accumulated. See the misbegotten OJ trial and current global rioting.

The video shows George upright at the 10 sec mark as round 8 ends, his first professional knockdown. He did not quit, but was rather waved off at the beginning of 1 minute rest period as the place erupts full bonkers. Ali instantaneously surrounded by his team, but in obvious distress collapses 20 sec later and has to be assisted back to his stool where he recovers and is interviewed.

Blubber Bob Sheridan the American announcer utterly ruins the fight with incessant blabber supported by the British crumpet David Frost, both so cheerleading pro Ali such that I had to mute just to get peace of mind and better focus. It's Sheridan delivering the actual count that ends at 8 when Clayton waves it off. We never get to see Clayton's full arm waving count because the video cuts out to another view.

BTW, Ali and Herbert admitted to enhancing Clayton with a combined $35+5K "donation." Sadler asked for $25K from Foreman, but we know he'd been in collusion with the Ali camp from inception and likely pocketed most of that. The patriotic, flag waving George was heavily booed from the start of his pro career that displays the mindset of the American boxing crowd. In Zaire in spite of reports, he was as heavily cheered as Ali, so go figure Americans at your own peril.

Clayton was 47 years old, 2 years inactive, and supposedly a former Negro League baseball player counting Jackie Robinson as a teammate, but I can find no record of his career. He's as Blubbery as Bob, but worked hard by Ali who grabs/holds incessantly every chance he gets to stop George's onslaught like he did to Frazier. That fight was near stoppage after Mercante poked out Joe's only good eye trying to get them untangled, and oh how this crowd here would howl in delight about the career half blind Frazier never having a chance had he succumbed to his injury!

Ring ran a 30 year anniversary facsimile post fight edition with commentary from then where Ali refuses to rematch George whereas George ready to rumble the next day. We can see Ali publicly followed through afterwards when he and Cosell showed up at George's Canada exhibition. Ali could see clear to fight Norton and Frazier 3x as well as they fight he, but Ali and Norton could only see clear to fight George once. At least Frazier fought him twice. That Ali publicly turned down $5 million purse by a "black oilman in Indonesia" to fight Chuckles Wepner in Podunk, Ohio for $1 million in his American return, a fighter George easily knocked out in his first year as a novice, tells you all you need to know about how the Zaire fight actually went.

Ali won the slapdash, near aborted disaster in Zaire by a stroke of heavily orchestrated good luck, but George won the war as he proved in his comeback. Ali was forced into a shadowy retirement from the horrific ravages of his career that any true fans of Ali were helpless to prevent as he became a caricature of a fighter he'd once been...Boxing 101 deja vu all over again...ie the latest Corona Virus Mike Tyson hoopla.

Just saying, Ali said he went down after the end of the fight for safety reasons as there was all hell breaking loose in the ring. Didn't read the rest.

[SteveO]

Seems the sweetheart crowd here makes a good case for jettisoning Western trial by jury by peers after being unable to arrive at a just verdict in spite of overwhelming evidence accumulated. See the misbegotten OJ trial and current global rioting.

The video shows George upright at the 10 sec mark as round 8 ends, his first professional knockdown. He did not quit, but was rather waved off at the beginning of 1 minute rest period as the place erupts full bonkers. Ali instantaneously surrounded by his team, but in obvious distress collapses 20 sec later and has to be assisted back to his stool where he recovers and is interviewed.

Blubber Bob Sheridan the American announcer utterly ruins the fight with incessant blabber supported by the British crumpet David Frost, both so cheerleading pro Ali such that I had to mute just to get peace of mind and better focus. It's Sheridan delivering the actual count that ends at 8 when Clayton waves it off. We never get to see Clayton's full arm waving count because the video cuts out to another view.

BTW, Ali and Herbert admitted to enhancing Clayton with a combined $35+5K "donation." Sadler asked for $25K from Foreman, but we know he'd been in collusion with the Ali camp from inception and likely pocketed most of that. The patriotic, flag waving George was heavily booed from the start of his pro career that displays the mindset of the American boxing crowd. In Zaire in spite of reports, he was as heavily cheered as Ali, so go figure Americans at your own peril.

Clayton was 47 years old, 2 years inactive, and supposedly a former Negro League baseball player counting Jackie Robinson as a teammate, but I can find no record of his career. He's as Blubbery as Bob, but worked hard by Ali who grabs/holds incessantly every chance he gets to stop George's onslaught like he did to Frazier. That fight was near stoppage after Mercante poked out Joe's only good eye trying to get them untangled, and oh how this crowd here would howl in delight about the career half blind Frazier never having a chance had he succumbed to his injury!

Ring ran a 30 year anniversary facsimile post fight edition with commentary from then where Ali refuses to rematch George whereas George ready to rumble the next day. We can see Ali publicly followed through afterwards when he and Cosell showed up at George's Canada exhibition. Ali could see clear to fight Norton and Frazier 3x as well as they fight he, but Ali and Norton could only see clear to fight George once. At least Frazier fought him twice. That Ali publicly turned down $5 million purse by a "black oilman in Indonesia" to fight Chuckles Wepner in Podunk, Ohio for $1 million in his American return, a fighter George easily knocked out in his first year as a novice, tells you all you need to know about how the Zaire fight actually went.

Ali won the slapdash, near aborted disaster in Zaire by a stroke of heavily orchestrated good luck, but George won the war as he proved in his comeback. Ali was forced into a shadowy retirement from the horrific ravages of his career that any true fans of Ali were helpless to prevent as he became a caricature of a fighter he'd once been...Boxing 101 deja vu all over again...ie the latest Corona Virus Mike Tyson hoopla.

I normally respect your views but this is a total joke!

[Tony1244]

Are you implying that George woulda won that fight had it not ended when it did ?

You gotta give him maybe a 10% puncher's chance. If Ali was fresh he must have been possessed. He took some punishment especially to the body.

[Duran1970]

10 % is being generous

[Tony1244]

10 % is being generous

Probably. But Ali couldn't have been fresh as a daisy.

[oogiebe]

10 % is being generous

Probably. But Ali couldn't have been fresh as a daisy.

Ali was still going strong and gaining momentum as Foreman was withering.

[Tony1244]

Probably. But Ali couldn't have been fresh as a daisy.

Ali was still going strong and gaining momentum as Foreman was withering.

It's questionable as to why Ali collapsed after the fight. You wrote it was to protect himself and you may be right. I remember reading somewhere that it was at least partially from exhaustion. 10% isn't a lot but it is arguably generous. I aint EO. I'm not saying I know its exactly 10% and you're a petulant child for having the gall to question me.

[oogiebe]

Ali was still going strong and gaining momentum as Foreman was withering.

It's questionable as to why Ali collapsed after the fight. You wrote it was to protect himself and you may be right. I remember reading somewhere that it was at least partially from exhaustion. 10% isn't a lot but it is arguably generous. I aint EO. I'm not saying I know its exactly 10% and you're a petulant child for having the gall to question me.

LMFAO! Petulant is a big word for a 12 year old!

[Tony1244]

It's questionable as to why Ali collapsed after the fight. You wrote it was to protect himself and you may be right. I remember reading somewhere that it was at least partially from exhaustion. 10% isn't a lot but it is arguably generous. I aint EO. I'm not saying I know its exactly 10% and you're a petulant child for having the gall to question me.

LMFAO! Petulant is a big word for a 12 year old!

My generous 10% is based on GF threw bombs that missed Ali's chin by centimeters. He wasn't loading up on every punch in the last few rounds because he was too exhausted to. But even in the 8th round he threw a couple hard shots.

Of course no matter as the fight was a KO, as he did not beat the official count.

[oogiebe]

LMFAO! Petulant is a big word for a 12 year old!

My generous 10% is based on GF threw bombs that missed Ali's chin by centimeters. He wasn't loading up on every punch in the last few rounds because he was too exhausted to. But even in the 8th round he threw a couple hard shots.

Of course no matter as the fight was a KO, as he did not beat the official count.

I had never seen a more spent fighter than Foreman in that bout. 10% is fair as he was able to load up a couple of times near the end, but nothing was going to hit its target. He didn't beat the count for sure.

[Tony1244]

My generous 10% is based on GF threw bombs that missed Ali's chin by centimeters. He wasn't loading up on every punch in the last few rounds because he was too exhausted to. But even in the 8th round he threw a couple hard shots.

Of course no matter as the fight was a KO, as he did not beat the official count.

I had never seen a more spent fighter than Foreman in that bout. 10% is fair as he was able to load up a couple of times near the end, but nothing was going to hit its target. He didn't beat the count for sure.

Ali got away with a lot of holding in the 1970s. For the conspiracy theorists, the ropes in Zaire as well as Manila were very loose. In Manila, you see Duane Bobick trying to tighten the ropes in the corner as his brother Rodney lost to Holmes. Weird tidbit normal people don't know.