Re: Pac vs GGG @ 155-160 lbs would be a good fight between two legends
Posted: 15 Jun 2020, 07:30
by apollo creed
jujigatame wrote: ↑14 Jun 2020, 15:39
Pac is a very small WW, he's not gonna move up 2 more weight classes to get wrecked by a world-class fighter.
Indeed Pac is a small ww but tbh there is nothing big for him at ww atm in terms of numbers.Also Pac beat 'the man' at ww in Thurman. I think Pac would have good chances to beat GGG if the fight somehow happens at 155 lbs cw with no more than 10 pounds rehydration clause for GGG.
Re: Pac vs GGG @ 155-160 lbs would be a good fight between two legends
I can't imagine he could convince Golovkin to come too far below Middleweight.
Golovkin has always boasted (for several years now) that he was physically capable of making 154lbs.
And for Pacquiao to collect another belt, I’m guessing he’d try to make GGG drain himself down to 155lbs.
If he was offered a huge payday, he might surprise us all by proving that he’s able to fulfil his boasts.
People are sometimes capable of achieving remarkable feats if they’re chasing a big pot of money.
Yup.
The thing is GGG is 38 y/o and he probably has a tough time to make even the 160lbs limit but if the money are good why not.
Re: Pac vs GGG @ 155-160 lbs would be a good fight between two legends
Posted: 15 Jun 2020, 07:39
by gregregegg
for me, Pac should be focusing on spence and crawford They are the concesus 1 and 2 welters, then looking for a catchweight vs loma, or tank, or garcia, or haney or lopez. Pac would be giving away 20+lbs vs GGG, the gaps too big for me to think he can win (unless it was 155 with strict hydration clauses, witch i fornicating hate, and id rather not see a 38 year old GGG risk going into a fight dehydrated), and GGG will get no credit if he wins.
But to be fair id be lying if id say i wouldent watch it.
Re: Pac vs GGG @ 155-160 lbs would be a good fight between two legends
squiggy wrote: ↑14 Jun 2020, 18:26
Such a bad idea.
I'd only want to see if it were a full fledged Middleweight bout.
But honestly I'd rather it not happen. Even when GGG knocked him out nobody would give him any credit for it. I'd be happy for him to get another big payday though.
This fight would sell big time. 155lbs cw with 10 lbs rehydration clause for G.
Re: Pac vs GGG @ 155-160 lbs would be a good fight between two legends
lazboy wrote: ↑14 Jun 2020, 20:10
When was the last time Golovkin “boasted” he could make the weight? EO seems to imply it was recently.
I don't recall him ever boasting about it exactly. I do remember him saying he'd consider it back when a fight with Mayweather at 154 was being talked about as a possibility.
He hasn't mentioned it in several years though.
I'd think if Pac were going to attempt to fight Golovkin or any Middleweight the whole point would be to attempt to win yet another Championship in yet another weight class. If that's not the goal, I don't see why they'd even bother with the bout.
Yup.
Re: Pac vs GGG @ 155-160 lbs would be a good fight between two legends
Posted: 15 Jun 2020, 07:55
by apollo creed
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑14 Jun 2020, 23:02
I could see it being like Oscar v Hop, wins some rounds with speed and boxing but gets taken out eventually. Manny fights tend to have great atmospheres due to his rabid fans so would prob be a good time , I doubt GGG would just steamroll him, Manny has the right tools to at least be pesky for a while and we all saw G looked a bit faded last time
Against a 38 y older, slower and drained G, I think Pac could win this fight in a good fashion.
Re: Pac vs GGG @ 155-160 lbs would be a good fight between two legends
lazboy wrote: ↑14 Jun 2020, 20:10When was the last time Golovkin “boasted” he could make the weight? EO seems to imply it was recently.
No disrespect, but you know for certain that I have a proven track record of backing up all my claims with proof. So your scepticism is unwarranted.
This video appears to show an older version of GGG (posted last year, during the Steve Rolls press conference) apparently claiming he's still capable of competing from 154lbs to 175lbs:
It frustrates me when people keep claiming I’m talking utter nonsense whenever I reiterate Golovkin’s boasts about being able to compete from 154lbs to 175lbs, despite me continuously providing videos and interview transcripts of him clearly saying this!
Over the last few years, people have always ridiculed me whenever I’ve mentioned the possibility of GGG competing from 154lbs to 175lbs, but if I’m really talking garbage, then surely the same set of individuals should attack Golovkin’s own words with equally venomous hatred, since he’s the one actually making those claims… not me.
And for the record, I can post more videos of GGG making the very same boasts.
Yup Pac looks small but he's a natural born fighter with very good skills.
Re: Pac vs GGG @ 155-160 lbs would be a good fight between two legends
Posted: 15 Jun 2020, 08:05
by apollo creed
gregregegg wrote: ↑15 Jun 2020, 07:39
for me, Pac should be focusing on spence and crawford They are the concesus 1 and 2 welters, then looking for a catchweight vs loma, or tank, or garcia, or haney or lopez. Pac would be giving away 20+lbs vs GGG, the gaps too big for me to think he can win (unless it was 155 with strict hydration clauses, witch i fornicating hate, and id rather not see a 38 year old GGG risk going into a fight dehydrated), and GGG will get no credit if he wins.
But to be fair id be lying if id say i wouldent watch it.
It would get huge hype and views.
Re: Pac vs GGG @ 155-160 lbs would be a good fight between two legends
jujigatame wrote: ↑14 Jun 2020, 15:39
Pac is a very small WW, he's not gonna move up 2 more weight classes to get wrecked by a world-class fighter.
Indeed Pac is a small ww but tbh there is nothing big for him at ww atm in terms of numbers.Also Pac beat 'the man' at ww in Thurman. I think Pac would have good chances to beat GGG if the fight somehow happens at 155 lbs cw with no more than 10 pounds rehydration clause for GGG.
As long as GGG can make the weight he would dominate Pac. We are talking about a 5 inch height and 20 pound weight advantage. And GGG is the younger man as well. This is not a reasonable matchup in the slightest.
Re: Pac vs GGG @ 155-160 lbs would be a good fight between two legends
Posted: 15 Jun 2020, 09:48
by Jeff_lacy_ko
EO is on the level here. GGG has for years said he can make 154. It was one of the reasons hes never moved up in weight because hes "smaller"
This matchup seems far fetched given Pacquiaos age
Re: Pac vs GGG @ 155-160 lbs would be a good fight between two legends
Posted: 15 Jun 2020, 10:01
by gilgamesh
gregregegg wrote: ↑15 Jun 2020, 07:39
for me, Pac should be focusing on spence and crawford They are the concesus 1 and 2 welters, then looking for a catchweight vs loma, or tank, or garcia, or haney or lopez. Pac would be giving away 20+lbs vs GGG, the gaps too big for me to think he can win (unless it was 155 with strict hydration clauses, witch i fornicating hate, and id rather not see a 38 year old GGG risk going into a fight dehydrated), and GGG will get no credit if he wins.
But to be fair id be lying if id say i wouldent watch it.
I think he'd be crazy to take Spence of Crawford also to be honest.
His best bet is that not quite Elite tier. He just got by Keith Thurman by the skin of his teeth.
To be honest I'm not sure he'd beat a Danny Garcia, but it'd be a safer opponent than Spence or Crawford.
Crawford would absolutely own him.
Re: Pac vs GGG @ 155-160 lbs would be a good fight between two legends
Posted: 15 Jun 2020, 10:01
by gilgamesh
Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑15 Jun 2020, 09:48
EO is on the level here. GGG has for years said he can make 154. It was one of the reasons hes never moved up in weight because hes "smaller"
This matchup seems far fetched given Pacquiaos age
I do recall GGG saying it plenty. Has he said it anytime recently though?
Re: Pac vs GGG @ 155-160 lbs would be a good fight between two legends
Posted: 15 Jun 2020, 10:39
by Jeff_lacy_ko
2017 is the last article i could find. So that is 3 years ago... not recent
Re: Pac vs GGG @ 155-160 lbs would be a good fight between two legends
Posted: 15 Jun 2020, 10:42
by gilgamesh
Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑15 Jun 2020, 10:39
2017 is the last article i could find. So that is 3 years ago... not recent
Doubtful he's said it anymore since making that Canelo money. This was basically something he was saying just looking for that mega payday superfight with Mayweather ideally. Now he's gotten that mega payday fight. Twice.
So yeah he'd probably be a lot more reluctant to do that now. I know I would.
Re: Pac vs GGG @ 155-160 lbs would be a good fight between two legends
Posted: 15 Jun 2020, 10:45
by Jeff_lacy_ko
A mega pacman fight though.... it would be tempting.
Re: Pac vs GGG @ 155-160 lbs would be a good fight between two legends
Posted: 15 Jun 2020, 10:55
by gilgamesh
Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑15 Jun 2020, 10:45
A mega pacman fight though.... it would be tempting.
Would a Pac fight in 2020 be as lucrative as the Canelo fights were? Genuinely curious about that. I know Pac is still a big draw, but I'd think his drawing power may have diminished slightly huh?
Re: Pac vs GGG @ 155-160 lbs would be a good fight between two legends
Posted: 15 Jun 2020, 12:37
by Onetimeonly
GGG has a huge contract to fight guys we've never heard of. Speaking of dazn, they just auto renewed my year. While $108 is a bargain for their fights, haven't seen too many this year. So even past the oddness of the fight, tough to justify it as a 70 or 80 million dollar fight and dazn/al aren't likely to be doing business.
Re: Pac vs GGG @ 155-160 lbs would be a good fight between two legends
Posted: 15 Jun 2020, 13:04
by jas80s
I can probably name 10 other fights for each guy I would rather see, but that is just a personal preference, not a comment on whether or not the fight would actually sell.
Re: Pac vs GGG @ 155-160 lbs would be a good fight between two legends
Posted: 15 Jun 2020, 13:06
by Jeff_lacy_ko
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑15 Jun 2020, 12:37
GGG has a huge contract to fight guys we've never heard of. Speaking of dazn, they just auto renewed my year. While $108 is a bargain for their fights, haven't seen too many this year. So even past the oddness of the fight, tough to justify it as a 70 or 80 million dollar fight and dazn/al aren't likely to be doing business.
I wonder how much of he and canelos contracts are guaranteed.. we inly saw the headline number
Re: Pac vs GGG @ 155-160 lbs would be a good fight between two legends
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑15 Jun 2020, 12:37
GGG has a huge contract to fight guys we've never heard of. Speaking of dazn, they just auto renewed my year. While $108 is a bargain for their fights, haven't seen too many this year. So even past the oddness of the fight, tough to justify it as a 70 or 80 million dollar fight and dazn/al aren't likely to be doing business.
I wonder how much of he and canelos contracts are guaranteed.. we inly saw the headline number
I don't see how they can fulfill all those fighters contracts. The shutdown was great for dazn.
Re: Pac vs GGG @ 155-160 lbs would be a good fight between two legends
Posted: 15 Jun 2020, 13:54
by GPTM1403
Maybe just me but this would have seriously bad accident all over it.
Re: Pac vs GGG @ 155-160 lbs would be a good fight between two legends
jujigatame wrote: ↑14 Jun 2020, 15:39
Pac is a very small WW, he's not gonna move up 2 more weight classes to get wrecked by a world-class fighter.
Indeed Pac is a small ww but tbh there is nothing big for him at ww atm in terms of numbers.Also Pac beat 'the man' at ww in Thurman. I think Pac would have good chances to beat GGG if the fight somehow happens at 155 lbs cw with no more than 10 pounds rehydration clause for GGG.
There are two obvious mega-fights to try for at welter, if he and his team really want to (both of whom are way more The Man than Thurman ever was). I'm not sure if even the numbers would make Pac-GGG bigger than Pac-Spence or Pac-Crawford -- in every case, Pacquiao is the reason it's a big deal, and the storyline is basically the same.
Re: Pac vs GGG @ 155-160 lbs would be a good fight between two legends
Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑15 Jun 2020, 09:48
EO is on the level here. GGG has for years said he can make 154. It was one of the reasons hes never moved up in weight because hes "smaller"
This matchup seems far fetched given Pacquiaos age
I do recall GGG saying it plenty. Has he said it anytime recently though?
I provided a video in this thread of GGG making this claim last year.
It has also been reposted by other forum members multiple times in this thread.
Watch it and judge for yourself.
Re: Pac vs GGG @ 155-160 lbs would be a good fight between two legends
gregregegg wrote: ↑15 Jun 2020, 07:39
for me, Pac should be focusing on spence and crawford They are the concesus 1 and 2 welters, then looking for a catchweight vs loma, or tank, or garcia, or haney or lopez. Pac would be giving away 20+lbs vs GGG, the gaps too big for me to think he can win (unless it was 155 with strict hydration clauses, witch i fornicating hate, and id rather not see a 38 year old GGG risk going into a fight dehydrated), and GGG will get no credit if he wins.
But to be fair id be lying if id say i wouldent watch it.
I think he'd be crazy to take Spence of Crawford also to be honest.
His best bet is that not quite Elite tier. He just got by Keith Thurman by the skin of his teeth.
To be honest I'm not sure he'd beat a Danny Garcia, but it'd be a safer opponent than Spence or Crawford.
Crawford would absolutely own him.
Yea, id like him vs mikey garcia in terms of actul matchups, big fight, similar size. i dont have him as favorite for spence or craw, but if those 2 fight i think he would have to fight the winner for undisputed. even if he is a 20 or 30% chance, it would be a massive PPV and a massive accomplishment.
its a long way from happening, but imagine if you could retire as undisputed of the most high levle division, in your 40s as a borderline god in your country. I hope he has that as a loose goal/dream. (it requires spence vs crawford to happen so put it in the mostly dream category.)
