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Re: Carl Froch's Top Five Super-Middleweights Of All Time
Posted: 19 Jun 2020, 20:04
by Isaax
Funny how you never heard Benn, Eubank or Roy Jones ranking themselves above Hagler, Hearns or Leonard. It's disrespect to a previous generation who paved the way. Froch has some audacity alright
Re: Carl Froch's Top Five Super-Middleweights Of All Time
Posted: 19 Jun 2020, 20:09
by dookus
Isaax wrote: ↑19 Jun 2020, 19:49
I don't think Carl stands a prayer with Eubank, Watson or Benn. That kind of primed power/speed/youth with better fundamentals than Dirrell IE Benn and Watson both always came back with another shot if one missed, such was their balance, Benn chin down bobbing and weaving and Watsons gloves brought up fast to cup sides of forehead. Eubank moved head deftly, punched short/compact (apart from the odd cricket throwing right!ha).etc
Balance is the big thing. They would all keep hitting Froch, and unlike Groves, they wouldn't stop.
Froch is most like Collins from that era. Collins had the better chin of the two, I think, although Froch had the better reach and combinations. That would have been a fight for the ages.
Re: Carl Froch's Top Five Super-Middleweights Of All Time
Posted: 20 Jun 2020, 19:56
by stujones
Isaax wrote: ↑19 Jun 2020, 18:43
Dirrell won that on my card and wasn't technically a very good fighter at all, just quite fast
I still maintain that's the worst decision I have ever seen in a title fight in the UK.....- although in hindsight it still is Barnes vs Vincent, with McDermott vs Fury also up there.
Re: Carl Froch's Top Five Super-Middleweights Of All Time
Posted: 21 Jun 2020, 03:14
by Onetimeonly
Twinkle Toes wrote: ↑19 Jun 2020, 13:09
People get a proper hard on for Toney, but what did he do at super middle to be rated above Calzaghe or Froch.
He didn't stay there long enough to be considered a great super middle.
He's even more overrated at 60.
Re: Carl Froch's Top Five Super-Middleweights Of All Time
Posted: 21 Jun 2020, 03:20
by Onetimeonly
Isaax wrote: ↑19 Jun 2020, 18:33
I struggle to put Kessler in there, didn't have the wins.
Nunn, Toney and Jones are streets ahead of Ward. Toney at his best probably takes Roy out.
Nunn doesn't belong in the top 10. I can't think of a significant win he had at 68.
Re: Carl Froch's Top Five Super-Middleweights Of All Time
Posted: 21 Jun 2020, 09:08
by Wee Tommy
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑21 Jun 2020, 03:20
Isaax wrote: ↑19 Jun 2020, 18:33
I struggle to put Kessler in there, didn't have the wins.
Nunn, Toney and Jones are streets ahead of Ward. Toney at his best probably takes Roy out.
Nunn doesn't belong in the top 10. I can't think of a significant win he had at 68.
He had Nunn.
Re: Carl Froch's Top Five Super-Middleweights Of All Time
Posted: 21 Jun 2020, 09:21
by Onetimeonly
Wee Tommy wrote: ↑21 Jun 2020, 09:08
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑21 Jun 2020, 03:20
Nunn doesn't belong in the top 10. I can't think of a significant win he had at 68.
He had Nunn.
This is driving me nuts, it's a rare occasion I gotta look it up.
Re: Carl Froch's Top Five Super-Middleweights Of All Time
Posted: 21 Jun 2020, 09:24
by Onetimeonly
OK, Cordoba x2, Sosa, Ashley & scully.
Lost to liles, no shame there. Really bad loss to little.
And that rates him above ward and froch. Lol, he isn't top 20.
Ahh, it's the same poster. Makes more sense. Lmao, calzaghe too.
Re: Carl Froch's Top Five Super-Middleweights Of All Time
Posted: 21 Jun 2020, 14:29
by Isaax
Nunn was simply the better. Looked as good as ever against Booker. Thought he beat Liles past his best. We know how good he was.
Re: Carl Froch's Top Five Super-Middleweights Of All Time
Posted: 21 Jun 2020, 14:31
by Stuarty
Froch is boxings David Brent
Re: Carl Froch's Top Five Super-Middleweights Of All Time
Posted: 21 Jun 2020, 14:40
by Onetimeonly
Isaax wrote: ↑21 Jun 2020, 14:29
Nunn was simply the better. Looked as good as ever against Booker. Thought he beat Liles past his best. We know how good he was.
Re: Carl Froch's Top Five Super-Middleweights Of All Time
Posted: 21 Jun 2020, 15:08
by Isaax
*Yonker sorry not Booker
Re: Carl Froch's Top Five Super-Middleweights Of All Time
Posted: 21 Jun 2020, 15:09
by Isaax
Tyson was commentating on Nunn-Yonker saying Nunn was still clearly one of the best boxers around
Re: Carl Froch's Top Five Super-Middleweights Of All Time
Posted: 21 Jun 2020, 15:14
by Onetimeonly
Good for him. That doesn't change his abysmal resume in the weight class. You're trolling anyway.
Re: Carl Froch's Top Five Super-Middleweights Of All Time
Posted: 21 Jun 2020, 15:22
by Isaax
Cordoba, Ashley and Sosa were considered far too much of livewires for Chris Eubank. Dangerous awkward lively avoided
Re: Carl Froch's Top Five Super-Middleweights Of All Time
Posted: 21 Jun 2020, 16:26
by Coco
Isaax wrote: ↑21 Jun 2020, 15:22
Cordoba, Ashley and Sosa were considered far too much of livewires for Chris Eubank. Dangerous awkward lively avoided
Tough getting into an all time top 5 at super middle with losses against Liles and Little with wins against Corboda, Morgan, Yonker, Sosa and Ashley
Re: Carl Froch's Top Five Super-Middleweights Of All Time
Posted: 21 Jun 2020, 16:36
by Onetimeonly
Coco wrote: ↑21 Jun 2020, 16:26
Isaax wrote: ↑21 Jun 2020, 15:22
Cordoba, Ashley and Sosa were considered far too much of livewires for Chris Eubank. Dangerous awkward lively avoided
Tough getting into an all time top 5 at super middle with losses against Liles and Little with wins against Corboda, Morgan, Yonker, Sosa and Ashley
Nunn is top 3 for this guy. I'm actually shocked how little he did after toney. I think the toney lust is fueling the Nunn overrating.
Re: Carl Froch's Top Five Super-Middleweights Of All Time
Posted: 21 Jun 2020, 16:38
by Coco
His record stands up much better at middle, Starling, Curry, Tate, Barkley and Kalumby
Re: Carl Froch's Top Five Super-Middleweights Of All Time
Posted: 21 Jun 2020, 16:39
by Coco
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑21 Jun 2020, 16:36
Coco wrote: ↑21 Jun 2020, 16:26
Tough getting into an all time top 5 at super middle with losses against Liles and Little with wins against Corboda, Morgan, Yonker, Sosa and Ashley
Nunn is top 3 for this guy. I'm actually shocked how little he did after toney. I think the toney lust is fueling the Nunn overrating.
If you are looking at talent, potential and what might have been.......... Maybe!
Re: Carl Froch's Top Five Super-Middleweights Of All Time
Posted: 21 Jun 2020, 16:42
by Onetimeonly
Coco wrote: ↑21 Jun 2020, 16:39
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑21 Jun 2020, 16:36
Nunn is top 3 for this guy. I'm actually shocked how little he did after toney. I think the toney lust is fueling the Nunn overrating.
If you are looking at talent, potential and what might have been.......... Maybe!
He was a very good middle. Even tilting all that in his favor he's still gonna be behind Jones, calzaghe & ward.
Re: Carl Froch's Top Five Super-Middleweights Of All Time
Posted: 21 Jun 2020, 17:45
by Isaax
Based on the fact Nunn was simply better than Calzaghe, Ward and even Roy.
(BTW Cordoba and Sosa were better than anyone Calzaghe beat between Eubank and Kessler.
better than Beyer, Andrade and Froch.
better than Byrd, lw post neck surgery Paz, post shoulder surgery Thornton, a shot Sosa himself or whoever else.)
I'd have Nunn at his v best beating anyone at the weight.
Re: Carl Froch's Top Five Super-Middleweights Of All Time
Posted: 21 Jun 2020, 17:51
by Onetimeonly
That's where you keeping losing your way, Nunn has no best at 68.
Re: Carl Froch's Top Five Super-Middleweights Of All Time
Posted: 21 Jun 2020, 17:53
by Isaax
He looked fabulous against Yonker, Ashley, Cordoba II
Beat Liles according to most, at his worst
Re: Carl Froch's Top Five Super-Middleweights Of All Time
Posted: 21 Jun 2020, 18:16
by Isaax
And what does smw really mean anyway? It was only created in 1988 for mw's moving up. Back in the day smw and mw were the same thing, the 'resumes' combined
So shouldn't the list be purely career swm's who started there, eliminating Roy because he did nothing at the weight and did more at mw v Castro, Hopkins and Tate who were considered challenges
We all know Toney ate himself out of contention to beat Roy
Re: Carl Froch's Top Five Super-Middleweights Of All Time
Posted: 21 Jun 2020, 18:32
by Onetimeonly
I'm sorry, that doesnt make any sense. Sm is the division we're discussing.
Toney was never good enough to beat Roy. I knew he'd lose every Rd. Very good, but overrated, fighter.