This Abnormally sized HW tendancy has acctually been developing for quite some time, Ali was for the earlier part of his career much bigger than most of his opponents, later Lennox Lewis came along at 6"5 who managed to put on 13 pounds between his performances vs Oliver Mccall.
After LL we had lil Klitschko who stood at 6"6 and his more successfull bigger brother who stood at 6"7.
If this trend continues then Tyson Fury who stands at 6"9 might lose his title vs some small fellow thats like 6"10 or 6"11 but a great Jack Dempsey type of fighter standing at 6"1 isnt very likely to achieve HW glory.
Jack Dempsey won his title from a guy that was 6'5 and weighed over 240 pounds.
David Haye won his title from a guy who was a full foot taller than him, and outweighed him by 100 pounds.
Oh come on man. Don't troll me, we both know that you know better.
David Haye won some belt from a fake champion who suffered from acromegaly, the reigning champion was Vitaly Klitschko and David Haye looked like poo while running away from his opponent in a very shameful display. Further more this undefeated opponent of his should have had at that time 6 losses on his professional record and no belt.
As for Jack Dempsey's accomplishments that was way back then and Willard practically didn't know how to box.
H8Usernames wrote: ↑27 Jun 2020, 23:37
Pretty much all the top guys were juicing back in the day. It was obvious Jarrell was having fun with the needles and pills, it would be more newsworthy if he were to test clean as that would be more unexpected.
We are now in a semi post steroid era where HW fighters wont for the most part be as good as they were back in the day. This is also a different type of strange era one where Tyson Fury is competing, an athlete thats athletically able, supersized and technically gifted. The presance of Fury pretty much rules out that traditionally sized Hws can have any success competing for the world hw championship, for hw to remain part of the sport of boxing we either need more freakishly sized hws or 6"6ers with RJJr abilities.
You get a Holyfield sized guy, with Holyfield's skills, and he can beat the asses of the likes of Wilder and Joshua.
Just because it hasn't happened in a while, don't think it can't or won't happen again. I guarantee you it will. Give it time.
Yeah man, especially if he doesn't get any juice. We both know that Holyfield was clean as a whistle all of his career. But yeah, again with the trolling, Wilder is not really some huge heavyweight, he weighed 212 pounds for his first fight vs Fury, the guy is almost a cruiserweight, Deontay Wilder is a whole lot more about skill and technique than he is about size.
You get a Holyfield sized guy, with Holyfield's skills, and he can beat the asses of the likes of Wilder and Joshua.
Just because it hasn't happened in a while, don't think it can't or won't happen again. I guarantee you it will. Give it time.
Yeah man, especially if he doesn't get any juice. We both know that Holyfield was clean as a whistle all of his career. But yeah, again with the trolling, Wilder is not really some huge heavyweight, he weighed 212 pounds for his first fight vs Fury, the guy is almost a cruiserweight, Deontay Wilder is a whole lot more about skill and technique than he is about size.
I'm not trolling at all. I was dead serious about both statements.
You get a Holyfield sized guy, with Holyfield's skills, and he can beat the asses of the likes of Wilder and Joshua.
Just because it hasn't happened in a while, don't think it can't or won't happen again. I guarantee you it will. Give it time.
Yeah man, especially if he doesn't get any juice. We both know that Holyfield was clean as a whistle all of his career. But yeah, again with the trolling, Wilder is not really some huge heavyweight, he weighed 212 pounds for his first fight vs Fury, the guy is almost a cruiserweight, Deontay Wilder is a whole lot more about skill and technique than he is about size.
This Abnormally sized HW tendancy has acctually been developing for quite some time, Ali was for the earlier part of his career much bigger than most of his opponents, later Lennox Lewis came along at 6"5 who managed to put on 13 pounds between his performances vs Oliver Mccall.
After LL we had lil Klitschko who stood at 6"6 and his more successfull bigger brother who stood at 6"7.
If this trend continues then Tyson Fury who stands at 6"9 might lose his title vs some small fellow thats like 6"10 or 6"11 but a great Jack Dempsey type of fighter standing at 6"1 isnt very likely to achieve HW glory.
Jack Dempsey won his title from a guy that was 6'5 and weighed over 240 pounds.
David Haye won his title from a guy who was a full foot taller than him, and outweighed him by 100 pounds.
David Haye (won only once) and Deontay Wilder (winning three times) are the only fighters that successfully competed in world heavyweight title fights within the last decade weighing less than 225lbs.
I can also provide you with loads of stats about the limited success small heavyweights have achieved within the last twenty years if you like?
It’s very rare for small heavyweights to be successful against bigger men.
No one should dishonestly pretend that citing “needle in the haystack” type scenarios illustrates the “norm”.
Jack Dempsey won his title from a guy that was 6'5 and weighed over 240 pounds.
David Haye won his title from a guy who was a full foot taller than him, and outweighed him by 100 pounds.
David Haye (won only once) and Deontay Wilder (winning three times) are the only fighters that successfully competed in world heavyweight title fights within the last decade weighing less than 225lbs.
I can also provide you with loads of stats about the limited success small heavyweights have achieved within the last twenty years if you like?
It’s very rare for small heavyweights to be successful against bigger men.
No one should dishonestly pretend that citing “needle in the haystack” type scenarios illustrates the “norm”.
I never said it was the norm. That's exactly what makes it special when someone is able to achieve it. It means they're exceptional. It means we as sports fans got to be witness to something exceptional.
You've already provided me with all your goddamn stats, and I wasn't impressed. Kindly f*ck off.
Yeah man, especially if he doesn't get any juice. We both know that Holyfield was clean as a whistle all of his career. But yeah, again with the trolling, Wilder is not really some huge heavyweight, he weighed 212 pounds for his first fight vs Fury, the guy is almost a cruiserweight, Deontay Wilder is a whole lot more about skill and technique than he is about size.
I'M trolling?
Nono you are right a 212 pound Hw is Hulk, truely gigantic.
Re: Jarrell Miller Fails Another PED Test?
Posted: 28 Jun 2020, 04:54
by claudevsq
gilgamesh wrote: ↑28 Jun 2020, 04:23
I never said it was the norm. That's exactly what makes it special when someone is able to achieve it. It means they're exceptional. It means we as sports fans got to be witness to something exceptional.
You've already provided me with all your goddamn stats, and I wasn't impressed. Kindly f*ck off.
Please, no f*ck offs here, not even kind ones. Always stay true to the unwritten behaviour rules of a public forum. Be gentlemen!
Re: Jarrell Miller Fails Another PED Test?
Posted: 28 Jun 2020, 05:38
by Thomastearns
There is something fishy going on here, something smells wrong. Why would Miller pop again if he believed he might get caught for taking GW1516 (apparently for endurance) again?
So just what is going on here?
There's been a lot of mutterings about widespread PED use and TUE exemptions for years now.
Some recent high profile lacklustre performances combined with the fact that so many of the top 10 have failed tests at one point or another indicates there is a definite problem in the sport.
His previous punishments have been shown to have been a waste of time. Or were they just there to buy him off and stop him talking too much?
It's high time one of the big boys, Miller, Whyte, Ortiz etc came out and spilled all the beans. It might do the sport a power of good in the long term. For sure no one wants to speak or bite the hand that feeds them, but Jarrell Miller has very little left to lose right now.
A full confession might help.
In any case his entire record should now be wiped and his previous opponents all recompensed by those sanctioning bodies responsible for supervising the sport.
If he won't play ball, then maybe he should be facing a jail term.
Re: Jarrell Miller Fails Another PED Test?
Posted: 28 Jun 2020, 05:39
by gregregegg
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑28 Jun 2020, 01:34
I am interested in if a 6'1 200 pounder can come and clear out the big bois Joe Louis style
I think usyk is your best bet at that... even though he will be 6'3 215. He is the best chance at a normal sized human being heavyweight champ (I guess ruiz is normal sized in USA....).
Also wernt most the guys louis fought like 180-190lbs.... He was bigger than people in most of his fights, and only vs'd 3 or 4 big boys in his entire career....
Re: Jarrell Miller Fails Another PED Test?
Posted: 28 Jun 2020, 05:44
by Cent0089
Miller with 248 lbs
Re: Jarrell Miller Fails Another PED Test?
Posted: 28 Jun 2020, 05:48
by Enlightened-One
What would the legal ramifications be if someone suffered from a serious injury due to having fought an opponent that failed a post-fight drug test?
It seems the various sports’ governing bodies, promoters and networks keep giving free passes to drug cheats, because all they care about is getting paid.
The current set of punishments doesn’t seem to be a deterrent.
And no one else seems to be accountable other than the person who failed the test, which doesn’t seem right to me.
Fighters are often granted second, third or fourth chances to redeem themselves and resume their careers (from those responsible for staging bouts), as long as everyone keeps getting paid.
gilgamesh wrote: ↑28 Jun 2020, 04:23
I never said it was the norm. That's exactly what makes it special when someone is able to achieve it. It means they're exceptional. It means we as sports fans got to be witness to something exceptional.
You've already provided me with all your goddamn stats, and I wasn't impressed. Kindly f*ck off.
Please, no f*ck offs here, not even kind ones. Always stay true to the unwritten behaviour rules of a public forum. Be gentlemen!
Nono you are right a 212 pound Hw is Hulk, truely gigantic.
Everyone acknowledges Wilder is a hell of a puncher. I've never seen anybody praise his skill or technique. He almost always is getting outboxed before KO'ing his opponent. His skills leave a lot to be desired.
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑28 Jun 2020, 01:34
I am interested in if a 6'1 200 pounder can come and clear out the big bois Joe Louis style
I think usyk is your best bet at that... even though he will be 6'3 215. He is the best chance at a normal sized human being heavyweight champ (I guess ruiz is normal sized in USA....).
Also wernt most the guys louis fought like 180-190lbs.... He was bigger than people in most of his fights, and only vs'd 3 or 4 big boys in his entire career....
He knocked out Buddy Baer in 1 though. Buddy Baer was a big boy.
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑28 Jun 2020, 01:34
I am interested in if a 6'1 200 pounder can come and clear out the big bois Joe Louis style
I think usyk is your best bet at that... even though he will be 6'3 215. He is the best chance at a normal sized human being heavyweight champ (I guess ruiz is normal sized in USA....).
Also wernt most the guys louis fought like 180-190lbs.... He was bigger than people in most of his fights, and only vs'd 3 or 4 big boys in his entire career....
Edit: Most of Joe's opponents were bigger than 180-190, more like 190-200. Tony Galento, Buddy Baer, and Abe Simon were big boys. Joe was bigger than probably half of the guys he fought between beating Braddock and losing to Ezzard Charles. I like the idea of Usyk clearing out the heavyweights, but can he really beat Fury? Would he survive Wilder for twelve rounds? I want to see him square off with Parker or do a rematch with Hunter first. Let's not get too excited.
H8Usernames wrote: ↑27 Jun 2020, 23:37
Pretty much all the top guys were juicing back in the day. It was obvious Jarrell was having fun with the needles and pills, it would be more newsworthy if he were to test clean as that would be more unexpected.
We are now in a semi post steroid era where HW fighters wont for the most part be as good as they were back in the day. This is also a different type of strange era one where Tyson Fury is competing, an athlete thats athletically able, supersized and technically gifted. The presance of Fury pretty much rules out that traditionally sized Hws can have any success competing for the world hw championship, for hw to remain part of the sport of boxing we either need more freakishly sized hws or 6"6ers with RJJr abilities.
You get a Holyfield sized guy, with Holyfield's skills, and he can beat the asses of the likes of Wilder and Joshua.
Just because it hasn't happened in a while, don't think it can't or won't happen again. I guarantee you it will. Give it time.
Even Frazier would be tiresome on Wilder and Joshua. Both have a shot due to power but I can see the activety of Frazier drowning them early.
Re: Jarrell Miller Fails Another PED Test?
Posted: 28 Jun 2020, 17:09
by IKSRTFO
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑28 Jun 2020, 01:34
I am interested in if a 6'1 200 pounder can come and clear out the big bois Joe Louis style
Well one things for sure, he'll be able to throw more than 20 punches around without huffing and puffing.
Nono you are right a 212 pound Hw is Hulk, truely gigantic.
Everyone acknowledges Wilder is a hell of a puncher. I've never seen anybody praise his skill or technique. He almost always is getting outboxed before KO'ing his opponent. His skills leave a lot to be desired.
Ok. I will explain how boxing works for you. Being able to land a good hard punch that potentiallt knocks your opponent out is not a talent that anyone is born with, in order to be a good "puncher" you have to practice, strategize and learn so nobody can be a good puncher unless they have the technique and skills to be one. And if we want to explore the second part of this then 212 pounds is the bodymass that Wilder had to put behind each one of his punches, 212 pounds is not a weight that should have given him any advantage over the average heavyweight as a matter of fact such a low weight should have put him at a considerable disadvantage.
Jack Dempsey won his title from a guy that was 6'5 and weighed over 240 pounds.
David Haye won his title from a guy who was a full foot taller than him, and outweighed him by 100 pounds.
David Haye (won only once) and Deontay Wilder (winning three times) are the only fighters that successfully competed in world heavyweight title fights within the last decade weighing less than 225lbs.
I can also provide you with loads of stats about the limited success small heavyweights have achieved within the last twenty years if you like?
It’s very rare for small heavyweights to be successful against bigger men.
No one should dishonestly pretend that citing “needle in the haystack” type scenarios illustrates the “norm”.
No it isn't. Tyson was 5'10" 218lbs at his best and was successful against bigger men. He's walk through most of the "throw 10 punches a round" heavyweights. Neither Wilder nor Joshua would be able to keep up with the early activity.
Nono you are right a 212 pound Hw is Hulk, truely gigantic.
Everyone acknowledges Wilder is a hell of a puncher. I've never seen anybody praise his skill or technique. He almost always is getting outboxed before KO'ing his opponent. His skills leave a lot to be desired.
He is skilled at one shot he throws. He sets that shot up well a lot off the break when his opponent takes a step back. It's just, once that's taken away, he has nothing.
