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Re: Who is the most evil boxer in boxing history?
Posted: 26 Aug 2020, 19:08
by margaret thatcher
gilgamesh wrote: ↑26 Aug 2020, 18:58
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑26 Aug 2020, 18:49
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑26 Aug 2020, 17:44
Carter has a shady past for sure, whatever the verdict was, there's a lot more to it than some song and movie
Gotta be rare for a guilty man to be set free after decades.
Right. Nothing to do with the song and movie. He was acquitted of the crime. I don't think that happens for guilty men.
Of course it can, and I mean aren't you the guy who sh!ts on the police and other authorities anyway? You just pick and choose when their words is the truth?
And he was let out not because he was found innocent, but over a prosecutorial technical issue....that's nothing remotely close to it being shown that he didnt do it
Re: Who is the most evil boxer in boxing history?
Posted: 26 Aug 2020, 19:11
by gilgamesh
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑26 Aug 2020, 19:08
gilgamesh wrote: ↑26 Aug 2020, 18:58
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑26 Aug 2020, 18:49
Gotta be rare for a guilty man to be set free after decades.
Right. Nothing to do with the song and movie. He was acquitted of the crime. I don't think that happens for guilty men.
Of course it can, and I mean aren't you the guy who sh!ts on the police and other authorities anyway? You just pick and choose when their words is the truth?
It's not just that particular crime issue anyway, a lot of other stuff in his life
Was he charged and imprisoned for this "Lot of other stuff"?
Was it murder? Because if not, I think it might be a little harsh to call the guy "Evil"
If a guy is acquitted in court. It means there wasn't enough evidence to convict him. The Law is supposed to prove beyond any reasonable doubt that you're guilty of something. If they can't do that, you're not.
I certainly am not naive enough to think Carter was a Saint. I just don't think he's Evil either.
Re: Who is the most evil boxer in boxing history?
Posted: 26 Aug 2020, 19:13
by margaret thatcher
He was let out over a technical issue, not because the evidence suggested he was innocent. He had already been convicted based on evidence twice, by seperate juries. He was never found not guilty and no judge for his cases, including the one that set him free, ever suggested that he didn't do it. I just don't think he's a particularly out of place pick for this dude, someone familiar with his case could pretty reasonably believe that he did it and that would make him fit the bill
Emile Griffith is off though, maybe I'll watch some highlights of him later while blasting the Dylan song, as a simultaneous tribute to Griff and Hurricane
Re: Who is the most evil boxer in boxing history?
Posted: 26 Aug 2020, 20:23
by gilgamesh
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑26 Aug 2020, 19:13
He was let out over a technical issue, not because the evidence suggested he was innocent. He had already been convicted based on evidence twice, by seperate juries. He was never found not guilty and no judge for his cases, including the one that set him free, ever suggested that he didn't do it. I just don't think he's a particularly out of place pick for this dude, someone familiar with his case could pretty reasonably believe that he did it and that would make him fit the bill
Emile Griffith is off though, maybe I'll watch some highlights of him later while blasting the Dylan song, as a simultaneous tribute to Griff and Hurricane
By the way, isn't it f*cking crazy that Carter is one of the only 2 guys that ever stopped Griffith, and he stopped him by 1st round KO?
I don't think there's footage of that fight. Must've been a hell of a shot, and he had to have caught him cold because Griffith as we all know is tough as nails.
Re: Who is the most evil boxer in boxing history?
Posted: 26 Aug 2020, 20:27
by margaret thatcher
Ya, that is a great result for sure, Rubin could be hot and cold
Re: Who is the most evil boxer in boxing history?
Posted: 26 Aug 2020, 20:49
by Ambling Alp II
LaMotta would have to be up there. Maybe Liston. Monzon actually killed somebody, which is hard to beat.
Re: Who is the most evil boxer in boxing history?
Posted: 26 Aug 2020, 21:01
by Seamus
Gerald McClellan, the Hilton Clan.
Re: Who is the most evil boxer in boxing history?
Posted: 26 Aug 2020, 21:12
by gilgamesh
Seamus wrote: ↑26 Aug 2020, 21:01
Gerald McClellan, the Hilton Clan.
What is McClellan supposed to be "evil" for?
Re: Who is the most evil boxer in boxing history?
Posted: 26 Aug 2020, 21:12
by gilgamesh
Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑26 Aug 2020, 20:49
LaMotta would have to be up there. Maybe Liston. Monzon actually killed somebody, which is hard to beat.
Charles "Kid" McCoy killed somebody too.
There are a few confirmed murderers in Boxing history.
Re: Who is the most evil boxer in boxing history?
Posted: 26 Aug 2020, 21:13
by margaret thatcher
Think he tortured animals or something like that, stuff like tieing their claws and taping their mouths, then putting attack dogs on them when they couldnt defend themselves. that is pretty sick and sadistic tbf
i guess he became the helpless one too in the end
Re: Who is the most evil boxer in boxing history?
Posted: 26 Aug 2020, 21:20
by Seamus
McClellan once bought a Black Lab, duct taped it's mouth shut and then timed his Pit Bull to see how fast he could kill the defenseless dog. Piece of crap got everything he deserved against Nigel Benn.
Re: Who is the most evil boxer in boxing history?
Posted: 26 Aug 2020, 21:22
by gilgamesh
Seamus wrote: ↑26 Aug 2020, 21:20
McClellan once bought a Black Lab, duct taped it's mouth shut and then timed his Pit Bull to see how fast he could kill the defenseless dog. Piece of crap got everything he deserved against Nigel Benn.
Wow.
Did he do any time for this? Where does this information come from?
Re: Who is the most evil boxer in boxing history?
Posted: 26 Aug 2020, 21:24
by margaret thatcher
Re: Who is the most evil boxer in boxing history?
Posted: 26 Aug 2020, 21:27
by Seamus
Re: Who is the most evil boxer in boxing history?
Posted: 26 Aug 2020, 23:22
by Onetimeonly
Sugar ray Robinson is up there for me because he's idolized by fans who rate him 1 and hate on modern fighters they don't like for far less. Leonard too.
Re: Who is the most evil boxer in boxing history?
Posted: 27 Aug 2020, 01:00
by jas80s
gilgamesh wrote: ↑26 Aug 2020, 21:22
Seamus wrote: ↑26 Aug 2020, 21:20
McClellan once bought a Black Lab, duct taped it's mouth shut and then timed his Pit Bull to see how fast he could kill the defenseless dog. Piece of crap got everything he deserved against Nigel Benn.
Wow.
Did he do any time for this? Where does this information come from?
Couldn't be happier at how things turned out for that sadistic Fuk.
Re: Who is the most evil boxer in boxing history?
Posted: 27 Aug 2020, 04:56
by Steveh583
George groves
Re: Who is the most evil boxer in boxing history?
Posted: 27 Aug 2020, 04:58
by Steveh583
gilgamesh wrote: ↑26 Aug 2020, 21:22
Seamus wrote: ↑26 Aug 2020, 21:20
McClellan once bought a Black Lab, duct taped it's mouth shut and then timed his Pit Bull to see how fast he could kill the defenseless dog. Piece of crap got everything he deserved against Nigel Benn.
Wow.
Did he do any time for this? Where does this information come from?
He also mowed down pink flamingos in his car on a shopping trip, laughing each time he hit one
Re: Who is the most evil boxer in boxing history?
Posted: 27 Aug 2020, 07:14
by evrenb
Perhaps the strangest boxing thread I have ever seen .....
Re: Who is the most evil boxer in boxing history?
Posted: 27 Aug 2020, 10:32
by hhaehre
jas80s wrote: ↑27 Aug 2020, 01:00
gilgamesh wrote: ↑26 Aug 2020, 21:22
Seamus wrote: ↑26 Aug 2020, 21:20
McClellan once bought a Black Lab, duct taped it's mouth shut and then timed his Pit Bull to see how fast he could kill the defenseless dog. Piece of crap got everything he deserved against Nigel Benn.
Wow.
Did he do any time for this? Where does this information come from?
Couldn't be happier at how things turned out for that sadistic Fuk.
Compassion for animals is intimately associated with goodness of character, and it may be confidently asserted that he who is cruel to animals cannot be a good man.
- Arthur Schopenhauer
Re: Who is the most evil boxer in boxing history?
Posted: 27 Aug 2020, 10:39
by Coco
Paul Sykes
Paul King
Patrick Blue Boy Gallagher
Henry Castle
Re: Who is the most evil boxer in boxing history?
Posted: 27 Aug 2020, 11:27
by Onamastus
Rubin Carter was guilty as sin.
Re: Who is the most evil boxer in boxing history?
Posted: 27 Aug 2020, 11:28
by Onamastus
hhaehre wrote: ↑27 Aug 2020, 10:32
jas80s wrote: ↑27 Aug 2020, 01:00
gilgamesh wrote: ↑26 Aug 2020, 21:22
Wow.
Did he do any time for this? Where does this information come from?
Couldn't be happier at how things turned out for that sadistic Fuk.
Compassion for animals is intimately associated with goodness of character, and it may be confidently asserted that he who is cruel to animals cannot be a good man.
- Arthur Schopenhauer
I can't believe Schopenhauer was quoted on Boxrec, and it was someone other than me who did it.
This bizarre thread is bringing out some intersting posts.
Re: Who is the most evil boxer in boxing history?
Posted: 27 Aug 2020, 14:47
by jas80s
hhaehre wrote: ↑27 Aug 2020, 10:32
jas80s wrote: ↑27 Aug 2020, 01:00
gilgamesh wrote: ↑26 Aug 2020, 21:22
Wow.
Did he do any time for this? Where does this information come from?
Couldn't be happier at how things turned out for that sadistic Fuk.
Compassion for animals is intimately associated with goodness of character, and it may be confidently asserted that he who is cruel to animals cannot be a good man.
- Arthur Schopenhauer
It's a powerful sign of being a violent sociopath is what it is. Does the world need violent sociopaths? Is anybody better off because they exist? They are hopelessly broken and completely worthless to an evolved society.
Re: Who is the most evil boxer in boxing history?
Posted: 27 Aug 2020, 14:52
by Caractacus
there was a welterweight fighter/champion back in the 1950's who reportedly admitted
that he once was a professional assassin and once killed 30 people in a single month
(using a blow-gun and dart)
