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Cholo_cws wrote: ↑26 Aug 2020, 08:48 Anyone who beat a Klitschko would probably have welcomed a rematch as it would likely have been the biggest cash earner option at the time.

JimJim2009 wrote: ↑26 Aug 2020, 10:08

Cholo_cws wrote: ↑26 Aug 2020, 08:48 Anyone who beat a Klitschko would probably have welcomed a rematch as it would likely have been the biggest cash earner option at the time.

In theory, but my understanding, and I think David Haye alluded to this sort of one-sided thing at times, is that the rematch with Wlad would take place on a K2 promotion, at Wlad's chosen location, for a purse set prior to their first fight. If you went to Germany and knocked out Wlad, and the biggest money option was a rematch then fair enough but as champ you would have little control or say in things, it was still all run by K2, and if you beat Wlad again, you're contracted to face Vitali. Haye called it something like a slave contract. I think Fury has intimated at similar issues, and he did talk about unfair things taking place on K2 shows, like alleged rigging of the scale (to make Fury thing he had overtrained) and the foam padding in the ring. Sam Peter complained about the contract when he fought Vitali, and I think Adam Booth said a few similar things too.

Cholo_cws wrote: ↑26 Aug 2020, 10:36

JimJim2009 wrote: ↑26 Aug 2020, 10:08

Cholo_cws wrote: ↑26 Aug 2020, 08:48 Anyone who beat a Klitschko would probably have welcomed a rematch as it would likely have been the biggest cash earner option at the time.

In theory, but my understanding, and I think David Haye alluded to this sort of one-sided thing at times, is that the rematch with Wlad would take place on a K2 promotion, at Wlad's chosen location, for a purse set prior to their first fight. If you went to Germany and knocked out Wlad, and the biggest money option was a rematch then fair enough but as champ you would have little control or say in things, it was still all run by K2, and if you beat Wlad again, you're contracted to face Vitali. Haye called it something like a slave contract. I think Fury has intimated at similar issues, and he did talk about unfair things taking place on K2 shows, like alleged rigging of the scale (to make Fury thing he had overtrained) and the foam padding in the ring. Sam Peter complained about the contract when he fought Vitali, and I think Adam Booth said a few similar things too.

That's interesting. Would they be able to set the purses for a rematch before the first fight though? I just wonder where that would sit with the alphabet boys if the Klitschkos' opponent protested (particularly a mandatory) - though said alphabet boys are quite adept at turning a blind eye. I didn't know they'd be contracted to fight Vitali - but that would have meant a unification fight and again the alphabet boys involvement and who knows what problems.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑26 Aug 2020, 11:10 Haye was pretty much always complaining and negative and slagging about the klits wasnt he

Interesting that they'd rig scales to make dudes think the dudes are lighter ! i thought it woulda been the opposite

JimJim2009 wrote: ↑26 Aug 2020, 07:13

Kit wrote: ↑26 Aug 2020, 06:38 Vladimir Klitchsko when on top used to insist on a rematch clause, then 2 further fights, 1 against Vitali.

True, and that is probably the worst example of this, as an ongoing practice, in recent boxing history. I wondered if it helped contribute to the general malaise of Klitschko challengers turning up, and not really giving it everything. What is the point when you're already contracted to a rematch, plus facing Vitali too, should you actually win the first fight ? To me, that was everything that was wrong about boxing. I preferred it when Buster Douglas upset the applecart and could then defend against whoever he wanted. If you beat the champ fair and square you shouldn't be legally contracted to face him again, and also his brother.

JimJim2009 wrote: ↑26 Aug 2020, 10:08

Cholo_cws wrote: ↑26 Aug 2020, 08:48 Anyone who beat a Klitschko would probably have welcomed a rematch as it would likely have been the biggest cash earner option at the time.

In theory, but my understanding, and I think David Haye alluded to this sort of one-sided thing at times, is that the rematch with Wlad would take place on a K2 promotion, at Wlad's chosen location, for a purse set prior to their first fight. If you went to Germany and knocked out Wlad, and the biggest money option was a rematch then fair enough but as champ you would have little control or say in things, it was still all run by K2, and if you beat Wlad again, you're contracted to face Vitali. Haye called it something like a slave contract. I think Fury has intimated at similar issues, and he did talk about unfair things taking place on K2 shows, like alleged rigging of the scale (to make Fury thing he had overtrained) and the foam padding in the ring. Sam Peter complained about the contract when he fought Vitali, and I think Adam Booth said a few similar things too.

funso banjo baby wrote: ↑25 Aug 2020, 10:06 i personally hate them

We all know how Whyte has struggled to get a bauble shot of any kind (partly his own fault)but Povetkin has made himself no.1 and should get a shot...this year please !!!!

chinarich wrote: ↑27 Aug 2020, 10:11 With the top level really only tending to fight twice a year these days, I think it makes the rematch clause especially annoying. In the case of Whyte / Povetkin there wasn’t even a title at stake so the onus should now be on Whyte to build himself back up to mandatory...

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑27 Aug 2020, 18:18

chinarich wrote: ↑27 Aug 2020, 10:11 With the top level really only tending to fight twice a year these days, I think it makes the rematch clause especially annoying. In the case of Whyte / Povetkin there wasn’t even a title at stake so the onus should now be on Whyte to build himself back up to mandatory...

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