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oogiebe wrote: ↑05 Sep 2020, 00:46 Can someone move this thread to records and querys please. Or better yet...it seems that BoxRec has responded and this needs to end.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑05 Sep 2020, 00:49

oogiebe wrote: ↑05 Sep 2020, 00:46 Can someone move this thread to records and querys please. Or better yet...it seems that BoxRec has responded and this needs to end.

dont be an eo bruh

punchy1 wrote: ↑25 Aug 2020, 10:13 I have heard a disturbing rumor /allegations concerning boxrec. I wonder if anyone can provide information / insight.
Apparently and allegedly according to sources, boxrec has allegedly put pressure on certain promoters /commissions in Mexico and will allegedly not record the bouts on their shows as being legitimate. Apparently, according to sources, this was done because allegedly someone close to the owner of boxrec did not like the idea of "yanks" (Americans) beating Mexican fighters on shows that are close to the border. So now, allegedly there is a limit on the number of Americans that can participate on each show, the rest of the bouts will feature Mexican fighters vs Mexican fighters.

IF this is true, this is what this means:

Americans (and Canadians / and others) will stop going to Mexico to either or build, stay busy, or resurrect their careers.
The money for slot fees paid to a promoter will dry up. The welcome and exorbitant (by Mexican standards) purses paid to the Mexican opponents by Americans will cease. Of course the promoters, trainers, etc all take a piece of these purses, same as elsewhere. Boxing will dry up in Mexico, as the American money enabled the promoters to turn a profit and funded the cards they have. American boxers, trainers, etc., will stop going to these border towns and tourism money, spent at restaurants, hotels, etc, will go to zero. Even Mexican boxers fighting other Mexicans will find it much harder to find work in the ring, and will, if they can, not be paid nearly as much as they once were. These opponent types, same as everywhere else in the world, need these fights and the money they bring to feed their families, pay bills, rent, etc, , especially in a economically depressed country like Mexico.

Mexican fighters will either not fight, or fight other Mexicans for a fraction of the money they were accustomed to. There will be more injuries as each fight will be a war, as no one can afford to lose and take time off, as they previously have, because with reduced amount of the purses, they will have to fight much more often.

Overall, this hurts a necessary and historically welcome economic aspect of the sport. Understanding that prize-fighting was started to help people to eat, feed their families, etc.. must be recognized.

I understand that it may be a well intended move to either restore pride to many of the Mexican fighters, or to stop 'record padding" by rich Yankees. However, the pride of the Mexican people is unquestioned. Putting food on the table is not. As far as "record padding" goes, this has existed since boxing, and is necessary, or all fighters evenly matched all the time would see everyone with a .500 record.

Again, I do not know the veracity of these allegations, but IF they are accurate or somewhat accurate, I would caution whoever is the prime mover for these actions to study the culture and economics of this area in boxing before coming down with any edicts, and hopefully rescind these threats/ polices.

This is highly unusual for a record keeper to be so involved in the sport and insert themselves in a situation under the mistaken guise of moral superiority In Europe it is done with fighters from Hungry, former eastern European countries.

Threatening to not record bouts because of disagreeing with how promoters are doing business is a very slippery slope and not your place

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑05 Sep 2020, 01:08 which hw fight was that?

TheBeast wrote: ↑05 Sep 2020, 01:43

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑05 Sep 2020, 01:08 which hw fight was that?

Christian Hill turning pro... terrific specimen physically... former footballer in Arizona... but got hit flush throughout the fight vs a fat but experienced Mx HW.

It the rule applies to whole Tijuana, then this is another exception...

Rosarito... no upsets that i can recall so far..

Puncher7 wrote: ↑05 Sep 2020, 01:42

punchy1 wrote: ↑25 Aug 2020, 10:13 I have heard a disturbing rumor /allegations concerning boxrec. I wonder if anyone can provide information / insight.
Apparently and allegedly according to sources, boxrec has allegedly put pressure on certain promoters /commissions in Mexico and will allegedly not record the bouts on their shows as being legitimate. Apparently, according to sources, this was done because allegedly someone close to the owner of boxrec did not like the idea of "yanks" (Americans) beating Mexican fighters on shows that are close to the border. So now, allegedly there is a limit on the number of Americans that can participate on each show, the rest of the bouts will feature Mexican fighters vs Mexican fighters.

IF this is true, this is what this means:

Americans (and Canadians / and others) will stop going to Mexico to either or build, stay busy, or resurrect their careers.
The money for slot fees paid to a promoter will dry up. The welcome and exorbitant (by Mexican standards) purses paid to the Mexican opponents by Americans will cease. Of course the promoters, trainers, etc all take a piece of these purses, same as elsewhere. Boxing will dry up in Mexico, as the American money enabled the promoters to turn a profit and funded the cards they have. American boxers, trainers, etc., will stop going to these border towns and tourism money, spent at restaurants, hotels, etc, will go to zero. Even Mexican boxers fighting other Mexicans will find it much harder to find work in the ring, and will, if they can, not be paid nearly as much as they once were. These opponent types, same as everywhere else in the world, need these fights and the money they bring to feed their families, pay bills, rent, etc, , especially in a economically depressed country like Mexico.

Mexican fighters will either not fight, or fight other Mexicans for a fraction of the money they were accustomed to. There will be more injuries as each fight will be a war, as no one can afford to lose and take time off, as they previously have, because with reduced amount of the purses, they will have to fight much more often.

Overall, this hurts a necessary and historically welcome economic aspect of the sport. Understanding that prize-fighting was started to help people to eat, feed their families, etc.. must be recognized.

I understand that it may be a well intended move to either restore pride to many of the Mexican fighters, or to stop 'record padding" by rich Yankees. However, the pride of the Mexican people is unquestioned. Putting food on the table is not. As far as "record padding" goes, this has existed since boxing, and is necessary, or all fighters evenly matched all the time would see everyone with a .500 record.

Again, I do not know the veracity of these allegations, but IF they are accurate or somewhat accurate, I would caution whoever is the prime mover for these actions to study the culture and economics of this area in boxing before coming down with any edicts, and hopefully rescind these threats/ polices.

This is highly unusual for a record keeper to be so involved in the sport and insert themselves in a situation under the mistaken guise of moral superiority In Europe it is done with fighters from Hungry, former eastern European countries.

Threatening to not record bouts because of disagreeing with how promoters are doing business is a very slippery slope and not your place

I see what you are saying, Im not sure it's boxrec's place to not record bouts that happen if this is true. But the whole idea of "buying" opponents and padding records is part of the reason boxing sucks. Just because it's been done for years does not mean there is nothing wrong with it. It's the only sport where the team and backers of one participant pays the other team/participant. That in itself makes the sport sound corrupt and fixed to outsiders.

How about local fighters fighting local fighters who both generate crowds and have evenly matched fights that people are actually interested in watching and will show up for? Also how about local promoters actually get out there and promote their bouts rather than rely on paid bouts? Far-fetched and unlikely I know but it would definitely make me more interested in the sport if I showed up at a fight and didnt know which fighter from which corner was going to win every fight without even looking at the bout lineup before the fights started.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑05 Sep 2020, 01:56

Puncher7 wrote: ↑05 Sep 2020, 01:42

punchy1 wrote: ↑25 Aug 2020, 10:13 I have heard a disturbing rumor /allegations concerning boxrec. I wonder if anyone can provide information / insight.
Apparently and allegedly according to sources, boxrec has allegedly put pressure on certain promoters /commissions in Mexico and will allegedly not record the bouts on their shows as being legitimate. Apparently, according to sources, this was done because allegedly someone close to the owner of boxrec did not like the idea of "yanks" (Americans) beating Mexican fighters on shows that are close to the border. So now, allegedly there is a limit on the number of Americans that can participate on each show, the rest of the bouts will feature Mexican fighters vs Mexican fighters.

IF this is true, this is what this means:

Americans (and Canadians / and others) will stop going to Mexico to either or build, stay busy, or resurrect their careers.
The money for slot fees paid to a promoter will dry up. The welcome and exorbitant (by Mexican standards) purses paid to the Mexican opponents by Americans will cease. Of course the promoters, trainers, etc all take a piece of these purses, same as elsewhere. Boxing will dry up in Mexico, as the American money enabled the promoters to turn a profit and funded the cards they have. American boxers, trainers, etc., will stop going to these border towns and tourism money, spent at restaurants, hotels, etc, will go to zero. Even Mexican boxers fighting other Mexicans will find it much harder to find work in the ring, and will, if they can, not be paid nearly as much as they once were. These opponent types, same as everywhere else in the world, need these fights and the money they bring to feed their families, pay bills, rent, etc, , especially in a economically depressed country like Mexico.

Mexican fighters will either not fight, or fight other Mexicans for a fraction of the money they were accustomed to. There will be more injuries as each fight will be a war, as no one can afford to lose and take time off, as they previously have, because with reduced amount of the purses, they will have to fight much more often.

Overall, this hurts a necessary and historically welcome economic aspect of the sport. Understanding that prize-fighting was started to help people to eat, feed their families, etc.. must be recognized.

I understand that it may be a well intended move to either restore pride to many of the Mexican fighters, or to stop 'record padding" by rich Yankees. However, the pride of the Mexican people is unquestioned. Putting food on the table is not. As far as "record padding" goes, this has existed since boxing, and is necessary, or all fighters evenly matched all the time would see everyone with a .500 record.

Again, I do not know the veracity of these allegations, but IF they are accurate or somewhat accurate, I would caution whoever is the prime mover for these actions to study the culture and economics of this area in boxing before coming down with any edicts, and hopefully rescind these threats/ polices.

This is highly unusual for a record keeper to be so involved in the sport and insert themselves in a situation under the mistaken guise of moral superiority In Europe it is done with fighters from Hungry, former eastern European countries.

Threatening to not record bouts because of disagreeing with how promoters are doing business is a very slippery slope and not your place

I see what you are saying, Im not sure it's boxrec's place to not record bouts that happen if this is true. But the whole idea of "buying" opponents and padding records is part of the reason boxing sucks. Just because it's been done for years does not mean there is nothing wrong with it. It's the only sport where the team and backers of one participant pays the other team/participant. That in itself makes the sport sound corrupt and fixed to outsiders.

How about local fighters fighting local fighters who both generate crowds and have evenly matched fights that people are actually interested in watching and will show up for? Also how about local promoters actually get out there and promote their bouts rather than rely on paid bouts? Far-fetched and unlikely I know but it would definitely make me more interested in the sport if I showed up at a fight and didnt know which fighter from which corner was going to win every fight without even looking at the bout lineup before the fights started.

I love the site but suggesting that boxrec not recording results would have any bearing on the fights taking place is laughable.

Puncher7 wrote: ↑05 Sep 2020, 02:11

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑05 Sep 2020, 01:56

Puncher7 wrote: ↑05 Sep 2020, 01:42

I see what you are saying, Im not sure it's boxrec's place to not record bouts that happen if this is true. But the whole idea of "buying" opponents and padding records is part of the reason boxing sucks. Just because it's been done for years does not mean there is nothing wrong with it. It's the only sport where the team and backers of one participant pays the other team/participant. That in itself makes the sport sound corrupt and fixed to outsiders.

How about local fighters fighting local fighters who both generate crowds and have evenly matched fights that people are actually interested in watching and will show up for? Also how about local promoters actually get out there and promote their bouts rather than rely on paid bouts? Far-fetched and unlikely I know but it would definitely make me more interested in the sport if I showed up at a fight and didnt know which fighter from which corner was going to win every fight without even looking at the bout lineup before the fights started.

I love the site but suggesting that boxrec not recording results would have any bearing on the fights taking place is laughable.

I'm pretty sure theres some fraudulent stuff going on down there for sure. Would not surprise me at all. Hell i could tell you fraudulent stuff thats happened here in the US. So, I don't care one way or the other. But I'm pretty sure less managers and american fighters would buy fights if they knew their W wouldn't be recorded on boxrec.