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Bandog wrote: ↑02 Sep 2020, 09:53 A hard hitting well schooled southpaw is too risky for a tune-up, but too old and slow for a serious fight.

The "fearsome" King Kong Luiz Ortiz rejected multi-million dollar paydays to engage in bouts against Anthony Joshua and Dillian Whyte.

The Cuban hasn't earned the hype and praise that was bestowed upon him earlier on in his career.

No one ducked him, because his team didn't even offer fights to any of Ortiz's big-name rivals. And they also rejected offers received from other fighters.

His entire reputation is solely reliant on his competitive bout against Bryant Jennings.

I'm sorry, but Luis Ortiz is just one big disappointment. I expected more from him and I suspect others did too.

He got KO'd twice by Wilder and beat everyone else he fought. What do you want from him?

Tony1244 wrote: ↑02 Sep 2020, 11:55 He got KO'd twice by Wilder and beat everyone else he fought. What do you want from him?

Does this mean you're a big fan of Christopher Lovejoy's, assuming calibre isn't important to you?

Apart from Wilder, what's he done within the last five years to have earned your respect?

Tony1244 wrote: ↑02 Sep 2020, 11:55 He got KO'd twice by Wilder and beat everyone else he fought. What do you want from him?

To fight and beat better opposition

LOL, ya , what else could anyone want from a dude whose lead up opposition to those fights was Raz Cojanu, Trav Kauffman, Daniel Martz, and Hammer

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑02 Sep 2020, 11:57

Tony1244 wrote: ↑02 Sep 2020, 11:55 He got KO'd twice by Wilder and beat everyone else he fought. What do you want from him?

Does this mean you're a big fan of Christopher Lovejoy's, assuming calibre isn't important to you?

Tony1244 wrote: ↑02 Sep 2020, 11:55 He got KO'd twice by Wilder and beat everyone else he fought. What do you want from him?

And he put in top performances against Wilder.

When you're fighting Wilder, the fight can end JUST LIKE THAT.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑02 Sep 2020, 11:57

Tony1244 wrote: ↑02 Sep 2020, 11:55 He got KO'd twice by Wilder and beat everyone else he fought. What do you want from him?

To fight and beat better opposition

LOL, ya , what else could anyone want from a dude whose lead up opposition to those fights was Raz Cojanu, Trav Kauffman, Daniel Martz, and Hammer

I'm not a fan of Ortiz and he didn't invent ducking good opponents.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑02 Sep 2020, 11:58

Tony1244 wrote: ↑02 Sep 2020, 11:55 He got KO'd twice by Wilder and beat everyone else he fought. What do you want from him?

And he put in top performances against Wilder.

When you're fighting Wilder, the fight can end JUST LIKE THAT.

I had Ortiz ahead in the first fight.

Tony1244 wrote: ↑02 Sep 2020, 12:00

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑02 Sep 2020, 11:58

Tony1244 wrote: ↑02 Sep 2020, 11:55 He got KO'd twice by Wilder and beat everyone else he fought. What do you want from him?

And he put in top performances against Wilder.

When you're fighting Wilder, the fight can end JUST LIKE THAT.

I had Ortiz ahead in the first fight.

Even the second fight. His boxing skills are class.

Tony1244 wrote: ↑02 Sep 2020, 11:59

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑02 Sep 2020, 11:57

Tony1244 wrote: ↑02 Sep 2020, 11:55 He got KO'd twice by Wilder and beat everyone else he fought. What do you want from him?

To fight and beat better opposition

LOL, ya , what else could anyone want from a dude whose lead up opposition to those fights was Raz Cojanu, Trav Kauffman, Daniel Martz, and Hammer

I'm not a fan of Ortiz and he didn't invent ducking good opponents.

No doubt, but lol your 'what more do you want from him' spiel is pretty silly. This is a dude who is still fighting the likes of Daniel Martz, Kauffman, Cojanu, etc.

So basically over the last several years, he either gets KO'd by Wilder or fights trash. That's not a 'what more do you want from him' type of guy

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑02 Sep 2020, 11:57

Tony1244 wrote: ↑02 Sep 2020, 11:55 He got KO'd twice by Wilder and beat everyone else he fought. What do you want from him?

Does this mean you're a big fan of Christopher Lovejoy's, assuming calibre isn't important to you?

Apart from Wilder, what's he done within the last five years to have earned your respect?

That would make an interesting thread, great records against terrible opposition. I just looked up Lovejoy and he may take the cake in this department. There was an Iranian HW who had a similar record. Also a midwestern American, named Steele?

It's kinda like Kell Brook---some fights vs top opponents but then pretty much everything without much value. Hardly any in between. Though Brook has actually fought 3 top opponents, not just 1, and he actually won 1 of those fights

If it's not Wilder, it's usually some total can. He burst onto the scene strong with a legit nice win but then fizzled out and just started crybabying it about promotoers, about being ducked, etc.

There's a lot more to want from him Tonster. Dudes in here praising his skills, and he is good, so how about dropping all the bum crushing.

Tony1244 wrote: ↑02 Sep 2020, 12:03

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑02 Sep 2020, 11:57

Tony1244 wrote: ↑02 Sep 2020, 11:55 He got KO'd twice by Wilder and beat everyone else he fought. What do you want from him?

Does this mean you're a big fan of Christopher Lovejoy's, assuming calibre isn't important to you?

Apart from Wilder, what's he done within the last five years to have earned your respect?

That would make an interesting thread, great records against terrible opposition. I just looked up Lovejoy and he may take the cake in this department. There was an Iranian HW who had a similar record. Also a midwestern American, named Steele?

Roman Greenberg.

What about an all PBC clash between Ruiz and Ort?

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑02 Sep 2020, 12:13 What about an all PBC clash between Ruiz and Ort?

Yeah. I'd take that one. Not sure what Ort has left after a long layoff at his advanced age.

oogiebe wrote: ↑02 Sep 2020, 12:11

Tony1244 wrote: ↑02 Sep 2020, 12:03

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑02 Sep 2020, 11:57
Does this mean you're a big fan of Christopher Lovejoy's, assuming calibre isn't important to you?

Apart from Wilder, what's he done within the last five years to have earned your respect?

That would make an interesting thread, great records against terrible opposition. I just looked up Lovejoy and he may take the cake in this department. There was an Iranian HW who had a similar record. Also a midwestern American, named Steele?

Roman Greenberg.

Undefeated until Cedric Boswell. I was asked if I was a fan of Lovejoy? No. But I am a fan of Lamar Clark.

oogiebe wrote: ↑02 Sep 2020, 12:14

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑02 Sep 2020, 12:13 What about an all PBC clash between Ruiz and Ort?

Yeah. I'd take that one. Not sure what Ort has left after a long layoff at his advanced age.

He's got enough for tubby

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑02 Sep 2020, 12:55

oogiebe wrote: ↑02 Sep 2020, 12:14

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑02 Sep 2020, 12:13 What about an all PBC clash between Ruiz and Ort?

Yeah. I'd take that one. Not sure what Ort has left after a long layoff at his advanced age.

He's got enough for tubby

Luis Ortiz To Fight Scott Alexander On FOX’s Ruiz-Arreola Undercard November 7
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Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑03 Sep 2020, 02:55 Luis Ortiz To Fight Scott Alexander On FOX’s Ruiz-Arreola Undercard November 7
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Seriously!?!

So Luis Ortiz is actually fighting a man that was recently defeated by one of the Cuban's previous opponents?

I really can’t take his career seriously.

It may sound needlessly facetious, but a small part of me hopes he loses this fight, because he deserves to have his so-called “fearsome” reputation stripped away from him.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑03 Sep 2020, 02:55 Luis Ortiz To Fight Scott Alexander On FOX’s Ruiz-Arreola Undercard November 7
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Really? Boxrecs 220th ranked heavyweight. what a fight. This is your Boogy Man ladies and gentlemen... Unless of coarse the entire top 200 wouldn't take it, in witch case yea i guess he is the gnarliest boogy man of all time.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑02 Sep 2020, 11:45

Bandog wrote: ↑02 Sep 2020, 09:53 A hard hitting well schooled southpaw is too risky for a tune-up, but too old and slow for a serious fight.

The "fearsome" King Kong Luiz Ortiz rejected multi-million dollar paydays to engage in bouts against Anthony Joshua and Dillian Whyte.

The Cuban hasn't earned the hype and praise that was bestowed upon him earlier on in his career.

No one ducked him, because his team didn't even offer fights to any of Ortiz's big-name rivals. And they also rejected offers received from other fighters.

His entire reputation is solely reliant on his competitive bout against Bryant Jennings.

I'm sorry, but Luis Ortiz is just one big disappointment. I expected more from him and I suspect others did too.

I'll give you his team turning down AJ, but if I remember right he wanted the Wilder rematch instead, not wanting to lose that. As far as Whyte, that is a stretch, but ok. I do remember Whyte turning down Ortiz on more than one occasion as well.

LOLOLOL Scott Alexander

Luis really putting together a solid list of wins over the last few years

Danny Martz
Raz Cojanu
Trav Kauffman
Probably Scott Alexander
Chris Hammer
Dave Allen

Sheet bruhs, get that hall of fame carpet ready

Bandog wrote: ↑03 Sep 2020, 09:10

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑02 Sep 2020, 11:45

Bandog wrote: ↑02 Sep 2020, 09:53 A hard hitting well schooled southpaw is too risky for a tune-up, but too old and slow for a serious fight.

The "fearsome" King Kong Luiz Ortiz rejected multi-million dollar paydays to engage in bouts against Anthony Joshua and Dillian Whyte.

The Cuban hasn't earned the hype and praise that was bestowed upon him earlier on in his career.

No one ducked him, because his team didn't even offer fights to any of Ortiz's big-name rivals. And they also rejected offers received from other fighters.

His entire reputation is solely reliant on his competitive bout against Bryant Jennings.

I'm sorry, but Luis Ortiz is just one big disappointment. I expected more from him and I suspect others did too.

I'll give you his team turning down AJ... As far as Whyte, that is a stretch, but ok. I do remember Whyte turning down Ortiz on more than one occasion as well.

Here's what I recall, which should be easy for you to verify...

On the 25th April 2018, the WBC officially ordered the final eliminator between Luis Ortiz and Dillian Whyte.

The Cuban allegedly declined the opportunity to face Dillian Whyte on the 28th July 2018, which was accompanied with a two million dollar purse offer, because he claimed the scheduled fight-date was too soon for him. However, Ortiz actually ended up fighting on that date anyway, when he engaged in the preposterous Razvan Cojanu mismatch.

This assertion was communicated to the media by Eddie Hearn and Dillian Whyte. And I don’t believe this claim has been officially refuted by the Cuban’s team, but even if they had done so, Ortiz's handlers have a proven track record of lying about the financial offers they’ve received (i.e. as per Matchroom’s allegedly “lowball” and “BS” offer for the AJ fight).

That being said, there is a YouTube video of Team Ortiz only saying they didn't receive a contract for the fight, but they're only ever drawn up when the terms have been agreed. But regardless, Ortiz didn't want to compete on the 28th July anyway.

Meanwhile, Dillian Whyte had to find an alternative opponent for his 28th July bout, so he chose to face an even better fighter instead, Joseph Parker (as per ESPN's & The RING's ratings).

parker isn't a even better "fighter" than ortiz, maybe... no, he isn't, why? elaborate eo!