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H8Usernames wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 18:55 Way out of this one is step aside cash for Wilder. That or just get it on for 10.000$ winner takes all at the gym.

I would like to see some more Wilder and Fury fights but not vs eachother.

After Joshua gets done cashing out vs Fury who will be left? Maybe Taishan Dong or Joe Joyce, cant think of anyone else.

He hasn't fought in ages. I'm not sure he's even boxing. Completely fallen off the radar. It's a shame just because against certain people he could have provided a spectacle seeing as he was basically the same size as Valuev but absolutely jacked. I just think ultimately, he probably just couldn't box very well.

The hold up for this bout is gate receipt revenue.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 13:29Look at the names you didn't mention though.

Canelo and Pacquiao along with Fury and Wilder.

The biggest draws. The ones who demand the most money. They can't be paid without an audience, without a live gate.

True, but maybe for the good of the sport, they should accept less money?

But they evidently don't care too much about the sport that's made them rich, they just care about getting more money.

It might be wiser to accept a smaller payday than to have no payday at all. Covid restrictions may not be reduced for a long time.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑30 Sep 2020, 04:44 The hold up for this bout is gate receipt revenue.

Yeh, because the prev two bouts have generated good amount of money through gate.

They want to maximise all revenue streams.

miketysonfan3 wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 13:48 Does anyone know what happened to Tony Yokas last fight? It vanished off of his record.

dont know if the two are connected but apparently the ref got into a row with duhaplesses corner as to why the fight got stopped .
Maybe there is another reason but so far no story out there .

Maybe Wilder's bottle has gone, understandable given the beating he got in the last fight. Shouldn't even be a third fight, it was such a clear cut win for Fury. Get Fury vs Joshua on before Joshua get's beaten again.

IRONFIST wrote: ↑30 Sep 2020, 09:55 Maybe Wilder's bottle has gone, understandable given the beating he got in the last fight. Shouldn't even be a third fight, it was such a clear cut win for Fury.

I agree, Fury-Joshua is a much more interesting fight. But I have a bad feeling it won't happen for many months.

Get Fury vs Joshua on before Joshua get's beaten again.

I can't imagine Joshua losing in the near future, until he fights a top heavyweight like Fury. Joshua will have no problem with Pulev. There are rumors that Hearn signed Zhang so he can be a future opponent for Joshua, and that would be another certain win for Joshua.

Cyclops wrote: ↑30 Sep 2020, 02:58

H8Usernames wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 18:55 Way out of this one is step aside cash for Wilder. That or just get it on for 10.000$ winner takes all at the gym.

I would like to see some more Wilder and Fury fights but not vs eachother.

After Joshua gets done cashing out vs Fury who will be left? Maybe Taishan Dong or Joe Joyce, cant think of anyone else.

He hasn't fought in ages. I'm not sure he's even boxing. Completely fallen off the radar. It's a shame just because against certain people he could have provided a spectacle seeing as he was basically the same size as Valuev but absolutely jacked. I just think ultimately, he probably just couldn't box very well.

Looks like health problems got in his way. Dude really wasnt much bigger than Fury though.

Perkin Warbeck wrote: ↑30 Sep 2020, 08:58

gilgamesh wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 13:29Look at the names you didn't mention though.

Canelo and Pacquiao along with Fury and Wilder.

The biggest draws. The ones who demand the most money. They can't be paid without an audience, without a live gate.

True, but maybe for the good of the sport, they should accept less money?

But they evidently don't care too much about the sport that's made them rich, they just care about getting more money.

It might be wiser to accept a smaller payday than to have no payday at all. Covid restrictions may not be reduced for a long time.

Frankly I've come to realize over the years. There's no real reason to care about the sport if you're a participant in it. It doesn't care about you. Make your money, and live your life. Boxing just uses you up and spits you out if you let it.

H8Usernames wrote: ↑30 Sep 2020, 14:10

Cyclops wrote: ↑30 Sep 2020, 02:58

H8Usernames wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 18:55 Way out of this one is step aside cash for Wilder. That or just get it on for 10.000$ winner takes all at the gym.

I would like to see some more Wilder and Fury fights but not vs eachother.

After Joshua gets done cashing out vs Fury who will be left? Maybe Taishan Dong or Joe Joyce, cant think of anyone else.

He hasn't fought in ages. I'm not sure he's even boxing. Completely fallen off the radar. It's a shame just because against certain people he could have provided a spectacle seeing as he was basically the same size as Valuev but absolutely jacked. I just think ultimately, he probably just couldn't box very well.

Looks like health problems got in his way. Dude really wasnt much bigger than Fury though.

I've met him, and trust me he's bigger. He is the biggest human being I have ever seen.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑30 Sep 2020, 04:44 The hold up for this bout is gate receipt revenue.

God damn prices of the tickets for Fury Wilder 2 were terrible, they wanted $500 for a run of the mill seat, not a nosebleed but if $500 doesn't get you on the floor or level 1 with a good view then it's a big ask.
I thought about going until I saw what they were offering.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 13:06

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 13:03 Money

The promotion lost money last time. Without a crowd it will be worse

Fury vs Wilder 2 lost money?

Didn't they sell like 900K PPV's?

How many did they need to fornicating sell?

Over 900K is more than Holyfield vs Tyson 2 which held the record for best selling Boxing PPV of all time for about 10 years.

Brother, you're missing a million + for holy/Tyson 2.

Cyclops wrote: ↑01 Oct 2020, 19:16

H8Usernames wrote: ↑30 Sep 2020, 14:10

Cyclops wrote: ↑30 Sep 2020, 02:58
He hasn't fought in ages. I'm not sure he's even boxing. Completely fallen off the radar. It's a shame just because against certain people he could have provided a spectacle seeing as he was basically the same size as Valuev but absolutely jacked. I just think ultimately, he probably just couldn't box very well.

Looks like health problems got in his way. Dude really wasnt much bigger than Fury though.

I've met him, and trust me he's bigger. He is the biggest human being I have ever seen.

Clearly suffering with acromegaly, the same as Valuev.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑02 Oct 2020, 03:39

gilgamesh wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 13:06

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 13:03 Money

The promotion lost money last time. Without a crowd it will be worse

Fury vs Wilder 2 lost money?

Didn't they sell like 900K PPV's?

How many did they need to fornicating sell?

Over 900K is more than Holyfield vs Tyson 2 which held the record for best selling Boxing PPV of all time for about 10 years.

Brother, you're missing a million + for holy/Tyson 2.

I always saw the numbers reported in the high 800,000's.

Perkin Warbeck wrote: ↑30 Sep 2020, 08:58

gilgamesh wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 13:29Look at the names you didn't mention though.

Canelo and Pacquiao along with Fury and Wilder.

The biggest draws. The ones who demand the most money. They can't be paid without an audience, without a live gate.

True, but maybe for the good of the sport, they should accept less money?

But they evidently don't care too much about the sport that's made them rich, they just care about getting more money.

It might be wiser to accept a smaller payday than to have no payday at all. Covid restrictions may not be reduced for a long time.

It's certainly looking that way as the vaccine remains tantalisingly over the event horizon. The entire sport of Boxing needs to wake up and adjust accordingly.

If the so-called stars refuse to get out of bed for less than $$ millions then strip the belts off them and let the younger more hungry and willing gladiators go for the glory.

Enough of this corrupt holding belts to ransom monopoly. Boxing is supposed to be a sport, not a protection racket.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑02 Oct 2020, 11:53

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑02 Oct 2020, 03:39

gilgamesh wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 13:06

Fury vs Wilder 2 lost money?

Didn't they sell like 900K PPV's?

How many did they need to fornicating sell?

Over 900K is more than Holyfield vs Tyson 2 which held the record for best selling Boxing PPV of all time for about 10 years.

Brother, you're missing a million + for holy/Tyson 2.

I always saw the numbers reported in the high 800,000's.

No, just under 2 million.

The first one was well over a million.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑02 Oct 2020, 16:56

gilgamesh wrote: ↑02 Oct 2020, 11:53

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑02 Oct 2020, 03:39

Brother, you're missing a million + for holy/Tyson 2.

I always saw the numbers reported in the high 800,000's.

No, just under 2 million.

Well that actually makes sense. I always thought it was weird that the Mayweather vs Pacquiao or May/Mac numbers were so much higher, but now I realize they weren't. I mean...they were higher, but not as much higher as I was originally thinking

Where is Holy vs Tyson 2 now on the all time PPV list? Still Top 10?

gilgamesh wrote: ↑02 Oct 2020, 17:24

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑02 Oct 2020, 16:56

gilgamesh wrote: ↑02 Oct 2020, 11:53

I always saw the numbers reported in the high 800,000's.

No, just under 2 million.

Well that actually makes sense. I always thought it was weird that the Mayweather vs Pacquiao or May/Mac numbers were so much higher, but now I realize they weren't. I mean...they were higher, but not as much higher as I was originally thinking

Where is Holy vs Tyson 2 now on the all time PPV list? Still Top 10?

No idea, I don't track that stuff. Just remembered it being the most. Tyson and holy are probably still top 5. Well over 500 million each.

I imagine it's still top 5. May/PAC, may/Connor & Lewis/Tyson are the only ones I can think of.

Edit: may/Oscar. It's probably right at 5.