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Onetimeonly wrote: ↑03 Oct 2020, 14:11

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑03 Oct 2020, 13:26

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑03 Oct 2020, 00:50
“Dishonest” maths?

What on earth is that supposed to mean?

You can’t lie about numbers! It’s simple calculation, with one number multiplied by another.

Are you seriously claiming the PPV generated less revenue than the total combined guaranteed purse pot for both main events?

OK, if I’m being “dishonest”, then show your maths.

And if you refuse to do such a trivial thing, then shut up!

If you use 100k as the total and do the math, there wouldn't be enough left to pay all the undercard salaries. If you use 120k sales, its probably around breakeven

You used 120k. And from what i saw your main even salaries were low (but to be fair i didn't see an official number)

Hence him saying you are presenting it in the best light possible because of your pbc bias.

Also, I know people love HD, but at least one buy, mine, was only $65 because I went sd.

So in other words, you criticised my maths, without citing any calculation errors.

Even if we used your pessimistic numbers, the event still achieved a profit.

You can’t prove otherwise, because if you could, you would have provided details of your calculation.

And the event was promoted by Lions Only, which is owned by the Charlo brothers.

Your laziness make it too easy for me to dismantle your claims. And that’s on you.

Dude, seriously. Get a f*cking life. Leave the basement sometimes. Meet people. Talk to girls...or guys if that's what you're into.

But get a f*cking life.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑03 Oct 2020, 18:11 Dude, seriously. Get a f*cking life. Leave the basement sometimes. Meet people. Talk to girls...or guys if that's what you're into.

But get a f*cking life.

If someone criticises me by talking utter bóllócks, then I’m entitled to respond.

And if I was proven wrong about one of my claims, you’d be overjoyed.

The fact you know for sure I’m right annoys you, hence your criticism of me personally, rather than attacking the accurate point I conveyed.

This forum is about boxing. I never criticise others until they attack me personally, as per what’s occurred in this thread.

As a moderator, you should conduct yourself more appropriately.

You attack those who are trolled, but you actively refrain from addressing the trolls.

Aww, cupcake.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑03 Oct 2020, 18:16

gilgamesh wrote: ↑03 Oct 2020, 18:11 Dude, seriously. Get a f*cking life. Leave the basement sometimes. Meet people. Talk to girls...or guys if that's what you're into.

But get a f*cking life.

If someone criticises me by talking utter bóllócks, then I’m entitled to respond.

And if I was proven wrong about one of my claims, you’d be overjoyed.

The fact you know for sure I’m right annoys you, hence your criticism of me personally, rather than attacking the accurate point I conveyed.

This forum is about boxing. I never criticise others until they attack me personally, as per what’s occurred in this thread.

As a moderator, you should conduct yourself more appropriately.

You attack those who are trolled, but you actively refrain from addressing the trolls.

I actually don't give a f*ck whether you're right or wrong, and guess what. Nobody else does either.

I conduct myself the same way I did before I was moderator, and the same way I always will.

You don't get paid to be a moderator ya know, so I'm beholden to nobody as far as how I will act or what I will say.

My comments are always fair, if you pay attention.

I'm trying to do you a favor by encouraging you to make better use of your time. There's absolutely no way you couldn't do that.

It was a very failed promotion by the epic failure pbc. We all know. Math proves it.

EO didnt know half of revenue goes to cable/satellite

it is a good point in general, when ppl talk about ppv views they often do their maths in way that suggests they think all ppv $ just goes to the fghters and anything after that is profit. lol dudes, these are big operations wth lots of others that need to get paid first

And if the media reports about the PPV buys are correct, coupled with the pricing, the event could have generated roughly three times the total combined cost of the purses for all four fighters that competed in both main events.

And the Charlos are self-promoted.

Even if the cable and network distribution fees consumed 50% of the PPV revenue, according to basic maths, the remaining monies would have easily covered the purses for both main events and the undercard.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑04 Oct 2020, 01:03 And if the media reports about the PPV buys are correct, coupled with the pricing, the event could have generated roughly three times the total combined cost of the purses for all four fighters that competed in both main events.

And the Charlos are self-promoted.

Even if the cable and network distribution fees consumed 50% of the PPV revenue, according to basic maths, the remaining monies would have easily covered the purses for both main events and the undercard.

EO - there are other costs when putting on an event such as this. Why is this so important to you. Sounds like (to most of us) this was barely a break even endeavor.

According to Boxing Insider the basic breakdown is as follows which is consistant with Jeff and OTO.

The standard breakdown as far as money is concerned is a 10% fee off the top for the distributor, with 45% each for the cable system and the promoter.


I'm not sure of the SG&A associated with an event such as this, but I'm fairly certain that no more than break even was the outcome.

how much did the non charlo fight guys get btw?

The official Showtime website listed the price of the Charlo twin PPV doubleheader at $74.99. There was no standard definition discount.

If the event only achieved the most pessimistic 100K buy-rate, it would have generated $7.5m in revenue, with $3.75m going to the cable and network distributors.

If the event achieved the most optimistic 120K buy-rate, it would have generated $9m in revenue, with $4.5m going to the cable and network distributors.

The Charlo twins are self-promoted and the total combined guaranteed cost for both main events was $3.15m.

There are multiple revenue streams for boxing events, excluding pay-per-views, such as licensing fees, advertising revenue, gate receipts etc., many of which would have been realised for the Charlo twin doubleheader PPV.

oogiebe wrote: ↑04 Oct 2020, 01:21

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑04 Oct 2020, 01:03 And if the media reports about the PPV buys are correct, coupled with the pricing, the event could have generated roughly three times the total combined cost of the purses for all four fighters that competed in both main events.

And the Charlos are self-promoted.

Even if the cable and network distribution fees consumed 50% of the PPV revenue, according to basic maths, the remaining monies would have easily covered the purses for both main events and the undercard.

EO - there are other costs when putting on an event such as this. Why is this so important to you.

It's not important. I just got criticised by someone for my alleged "dishonest" maths when all I was guilty of was citing numbers provided by a website article.

And the person who challenged me, refused to cite any calculations of their own to explain the reason why they thought I was so incredibly "wrong."

There was no gate though.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑04 Oct 2020, 04:11 There was no gate though.

I mentioned several revenue streams and stated that many (not necessarily all of them) would have been realised for the Charlo twin PPV.

Like I said before, the numbers weren't made up by myself. So I can't be held accountable for what the media are reporting.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑04 Oct 2020, 08:39

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑04 Oct 2020, 04:11 There was no gate though.

I mentioned several revenue streams and stated that many (not necessarily all of them) would have been realised for the Charlo twin PPV.

Like I said before, the numbers weren't made up by myself. So I can't be held accountable for what the media are reporting.

Tbh. Unless any of us handle PBC and Charlo’s finances, none of us are really sure what money went where. All we can do is go off the figures we do know and do some calculations.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑04 Oct 2020, 08:55

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑04 Oct 2020, 08:39

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑04 Oct 2020, 04:11 There was no gate though.

I mentioned several revenue streams and stated that many (not necessarily all of them) would have been realised for the Charlo twin PPV.

Like I said before, the numbers weren't made up by myself. So I can't be held accountable for what the media are reporting.

Tbh. Unless any of us handle PBC and Charlo’s finances, none of us are really sure what money went where. All we can do is go off the figures we do know and do some calculations.

Precisely.

Being self promoted is irrelevant and it is widely known these are paper promoters to keep pbc ali compliant.

This wasnt a success. It wasnt a disaster. It was probably near breakeven

I do think sales double if they cut the price in half. Same revenue generated but more eyes on your product

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑04 Oct 2020, 09:23 Being self promoted is irrelevant and it is widely known these are paper promoters to keep pbc ali compliant.

This wasnt a success. It wasnt a disaster. It was probably near breakeven

I do think sales double if they cut the price in half. Same revenue generated but more eyes on your product

They couldn’t care less about people watching. Just the ones that wanna folk out over $70..

Kinda like Canelo-GGG.

The first bout had 1.3m buys and generated just over $100 million..

The rematch did 1.1m buys. You’d think that’s a flop compared to the first.. but it generated the same amount of money.. it was $10 more than the first bout..

They both did the same PPV revenue.

That’s 200k less buys, maybe the extra $10 put some people off..

Another example is Mayweather.. he hardly ever sold out an arena.. he didn’t care how many people were sat there.. most his fights had Daft prices..

The McGregor fight only saw 14,623 fans in attendance (the T-Mobile arena can seat over 20k). From the 13,094 that actually bought tickets, the rest being comps, the gate was $55,414,865.79 ..

GGG-Canelo has 23k fans at T-Mobile and did around $24m gate.. still good numbers.

The second highest in combat export history.

The cheapest seats for his big fights were $1k weren’t they?

He attracted the rich folk anyway, the gamblers, the celebs, hardly Hardcore boxing fans. Just another showcase event.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑04 Oct 2020, 12:12

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑04 Oct 2020, 09:23 Being self promoted is irrelevant and it is widely known these are paper promoters to keep pbc ali compliant.

This wasnt a success. It wasnt a disaster. It was probably near breakeven

I do think sales double if they cut the price in half. Same revenue generated but more eyes on your product

They couldn’t care less about people watching. Just the ones that wanna folk out over $70..

Kinda like Canelo-GGG.

The first bout had 1.3m buys and generated just over $100 million..

The rematch did 1.1m buys. You’d think that’s a flop compared to the first.. but it generated the same amount of money.. it was $10 more than the first bout..

They both did the same PPV revenue.

That’s 200k less buys, maybe the extra $10 put some people off..

NO mystery why the fan base in the US continues to shrink

I think the real question is has there ever been an easier puppet to wind up than verlichte? I really don't think there is. And he's such an idiot you can just wind up that habitual liar with truth.

He honestly didnt know half of revenue goes to cable/satellite.

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑04 Oct 2020, 13:39 He honestly didnt know half of revenue goes to cable/satellite.

He's had that explained to him many times. You can be sure he'll take half out for any Crawford fight.