Your Lowest Moment as a Boxing Fan?

[DrDuke]

none of them were good enough or competitive enough (apart from Fury) with the Klits, they're automatically crap.

Yeah, that's a popular misbelief, especially among the Klit-haters. The thing is, Wlad was the only elite level guy. He faced the best opposition possible and some of those guys were good, but not elite.

Wladimir was king of the dung heap. In his prime he couldn't even keep hold of a cheap WBO belt. In hindsight it's no wonder Fury bossed him.

During his major title reign he defeated much better opponents, than had been those ones, to whom he had lost before. Anyway, Fury is too special.

[DrDuke]

In hindsight it's no wonder Fury bossed him.

Thing with Fury is, he is really unpredictable.. You literally don't know which way to go with him..

That put off Wlad big time..

I mean compare that to when Wlad fought AJ?

He was perfectly fine wasn't he?

You fight how your opponent allow you to. Wlad couldn't win Fury.

[Onamastus]

Yeah, that's a popular misbelief, especially among the Klit-haters. The thing is, Wlad was the only elite level guy. He faced the best opposition possible and some of those guys were good, but not elite.

Wladimir was king of the dung heap. In his prime he couldn't even keep hold of a cheap WBO belt. In hindsight it's no wonder Fury bossed him.

During his major title reign he defeated much better opponents, than had been those ones, to whom he had lost before. Anyway, Fury is too special.

No he didn't.

[vidal]

Absolute lowest point though, was being f*cking stupid enough to pay to go and see Haye vs Harrison........ it wouldn't have been so bad had I seen the Groves vs Anderson bout, but I'd gone out to buy drinks and they wouldn't let me back in....... so as that great fight was happening, I was in the foyer trying to down 4 pints as quickly as I could.

You bought tickets..

They never let you back in??? Did you have you're tickets??

How much were tickets.?

Sorry, I wasn’t clear. I went in to the foyer to buy beers and they wouldn’t let me back in to the arena with the beers, they had to be drunk in the foyer.

So rather than waste 4 beers, I stood there and drank them thinking I’d have time for the groves fight.

Glad the haye fight finished by the third, I was bursting for a piss

[tdogg]

The lowest point was the first time that I read the story of the death of Brad Rone.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct- ... story.html

Turns out they also did a video on this:

[milpool]

I was devastated when Frank Bruno lost to Tim Witherspoon.

However, I'm quite low at the moment as the great sport of boxing is seemingly behind MMA now and that upsets me greatly. No disrespect to those who enjoy MMA but I struggle to see the attraction.

[littlepug]

Cried as a kid when Cruz beat McGuigan and was devastated when Witherspoon knocked out Bruno, same when Jackson knocked out Bomber Graham....... could not believe it.

Absolute lowest point though, was being f*cking stupid enough to pay to go and see Haye vs Harrison........ it wouldn't have been so bad had I seen the Groves vs Anderson bout, but I'd gone out to buy drinks and they wouldn't let me back in....... so as that great fight was happening, I was in the foyer trying to down 4 pints as quickly as I could.

I also went to that fight for some insane reason! Saw the Groves fight but missed him getting knocked down as some guy was walked in front of me when it happened!

[DrDuke]

Wladimir was king of the dung heap. In his prime he couldn't even keep hold of a cheap WBO belt. In hindsight it's no wonder Fury bossed him.

During his major title reign he defeated much better opponents, than had been those ones, to whom he had lost before. Anyway, Fury is too special.

No he didn't.

Povetkin, Byrd and Haye are way better, than Sanders, Brewster, Puritty. Also, the likes of Pulev, Peter and Jennings look no worse at least. The likes of Chagaev and Ibragimov were about the same as well.

[Onamastus]

During his major title reign he defeated much better opponents, than had been those ones, to whom he had lost before. Anyway, Fury is too special.

No he didn't.

Povetkin, Byrd and Haye are way better, than Sanders, Brewster, Puritty. Also, the likes of Pulev, Peter and Jennings look no worse at least. The likes of Chagaev and Ibragimov were about the same as well.

The Byrd he beat in 2006 was shot, so no he wasn't. Sanders and Brewster would have smoked chinny Haye, so that leaves us with Povetkin. Still don't know whether Wladimir can beat Povetkin in an actual boxing match, as he wrestled poor Alex all night. An honest ref would have DQd Wlad for his cowardly cheating tactics.

Comparing the hapless trio of Pulev, Peter and Jennings with Sanders and Brewster is laughable. They literally don't have an impressive performance between them.

[Ruthless-RKO]

No he didn't.

Povetkin, Byrd and Haye are way better, than Sanders, Brewster, Puritty. Also, the likes of Pulev, Peter and Jennings look no worse at least. The likes of Chagaev and Ibragimov were about the same as well.

The Byrd he beat in 2006 was shot, so no he wasn't. Sanders and Brewster would have smoked chinny Haye, so that leaves us with Povetkin. Still don't know whether Wladimir can beat Povetkin in an actual boxing match, as he wrestled poor Alex all night. An honest ref would have DQd Wlad for his cowardly cheating tactics.

Didn’t he beat Byrd twice? Once to win his first World title.

[Onamastus]

Povetkin, Byrd and Haye are way better, than Sanders, Brewster, Puritty. Also, the likes of Pulev, Peter and Jennings look no worse at least. The likes of Chagaev and Ibragimov were about the same as well.

The Byrd he beat in 2006 was shot, so no he wasn't. Sanders and Brewster would have smoked chinny Haye, so that leaves us with Povetkin. Still don't know whether Wladimir can beat Povetkin in an actual boxing match, as he wrestled poor Alex all night. An honest ref would have DQd Wlad for his cowardly cheating tactics.

Didn’t he beat Byrd twice? Once to win his first World title.

The argument is the Manny era Wlad beat better opponents than version 1

[Ruthless-RKO]

The Byrd he beat in 2006 was shot, so no he wasn't. Sanders and Brewster would have smoked chinny Haye, so that leaves us with Povetkin. Still don't know whether Wladimir can beat Povetkin in an actual boxing match, as he wrestled poor Alex all night. An honest ref would have DQd Wlad for his cowardly cheating tactics.

Didn’t he beat Byrd twice? Once to win his first World title.

The argument is the Manny era Wlad beat better opponents than version 1

Beat then Yh.

He never beat Sanders though did he?

[Onamastus]

Didn’t he beat Byrd twice? Once to win his first World title.

The argument is the Manny era Wlad beat better opponents than version 1

Beat then Yh.

He never beat Sanders though did he?

Ergh, Mr Duke said Wlad later BEAT better opponents than Sanders and Brewster. Pls just read the thread if you care

[DrDuke]

No he didn't.

Povetkin, Byrd and Haye are way better, than Sanders, Brewster, Puritty. Also, the likes of Pulev, Peter and Jennings look no worse at least. The likes of Chagaev and Ibragimov were about the same as well.

The Byrd he beat in 2006 was shot, so no he wasn't. Sanders and Brewster would have smoked chinny Haye, so that leaves us with Povetkin. Still don't know whether Wladimir can beat Povetkin in an actual boxing match, as he wrestled poor Alex all night. An honest ref would have DQd Wlad for his cowardly cheating tactics.

Comparing the hapless trio of Pulev, Peter and Jennings with Sanders and Brewster is laughable. They literally don't have an impressive performance between them.

What is an indication of Byrd being shot already?

Sanders and Brewster had enough punch to KO Haye, unless they wasn't outboxed and KOed themselves, which would have been more likey, cause Haye was a clearly faster and better boxer than them and he was elusive.

Wlad beat Povetkin confidently. Povetkin couldn't do anything at all. He wasn't only outhustled, he was outboxed, knocked down and he didn't land anything significant. In this case all the excuses are just silly.

What were impressive performances of Sanders and Brewster, except Wlad wins? Brewster only has knocking out ageing and shabby Golota in the 1st. Pulev and Jennings are more sound boxers technically. And Pulev's dominant win over Chisora is the best thing among the wins of all these guys, except those Wlad wins. Peter even caught Wlad like Sanders and Brewster had done, it was just already a bit different Wlad, he was in the process of reconstruction then.

[Ezzard]

The Roy Jones years. The last 6-7 years of Mayweather's career.

[Ruthless-RKO]

The Roy Jones years. The last 6-7 years of Mayweather's career.

Care to elaborate?

[elmersalsa]

Aside from deaths, Ali's loss to Holmes left me very low.

Me, too. I thought that The Greatest could win forever. But the great Larry Holmes made me see reality. Father Time always wins.

The great Roberto Duran quitting against Sugar Ray was the biggest blow for me to swallow. It hurted me more than it did to the Hands of Stone. I got over it. But it hurt for years! I mean at least 30 years!

The great Alexis Arguello being stopped in round 14th by Aaron Pryor. I was pulling for Arguello. The scene when Pryor threw 23 unanswered blows to Arguello's face in that round is one of the most unforgettable moments in my life. I cried for the Explosive Thin Man.

[elmersalsa]

Also, the great Salvador Sanchez' death in 1982. He was only 23 years old! Damn! That's young!

[elmersalsa]

Also, the great Salvador Sanchez' death in 1982. He was only 23 years old! Damn! That's young!

[Nile4000]

Also, the great Salvador Sanchez' death in 1982. He was only 23 years old! Damn! That's young!

Ditto.

[Nile4000]

Really that whole latter 1982-1983 early time frame, the ceasing of the 15 round title distance, Ray Leonard retiring, and the Dokes-Weaver, Mancini-Kim, and Pryor-Arguello affairs. To be truthful, more was changing not just boxing as well.

[JxhDel.]

As a kid, I really thought Vitali Klitschko could have won against Lennox Lewis and I was so much upset by that stoppage, despite being necessary.

In recent years, when Bradley won on Pacquiao. Absolutely crushing, disrespectful decision but Bradley got humbled by being whooped in the rematches.

[Onamastus]

The emergence in the 1990s of the legacy-minded boxer, imitating the shenanigans of the late stage Sugar Ray Leonard, building a record instead of a fighter, picking and choosing alphabet titles, division hopping and fighting the easiest opponent to become an X division champ, handicapping opponents with weight and ring stipulations et al really cheapened the sport. Greatness is now bestowed on fighters who avoided all 50/50 fights.

The whole late 90s/early 00s Roy Jones era, where he was forever about to fight somebody good, but never did, and fought so many journeymen for so many years he actually lost his p4p no 1 spot without losing! A weird, insufferable idiot who wasted his talent.

The 2001 introduction of the WBA super and regular belts genuinely made me wonder whether I could be bothered with boxing anymore. Hopkins has all 3 belts but Joppy and Eastman are boxing for the WBA2 belt? Wtf? The needless elevation in 2004 of the WBO belt to major title made it basically impossible to crown undisputed champions, while also seeming to legitimise retroactively all those horrendous WBO fights of the 90s.

British fighters using the WBO belt as an excuse to not fight the no 1 in their division, and instead staying at home and racking up endless defences against bums, is a modern phenomenon I could have done without. Calzaghe poss the worst offender here but there's plenty to choose from.

The interminable Klitschko/Mayweather era, which had all the action of a French art house film. Felt like it went on forever, with one dreary fight after another; Floyd you could argue had ventured beyond his weight class; but Wladimir with his mammoth size & strength advantages was truly pathetic with his timorous fencing and wrestling. The years Floyd was allowed to put off fighting Pacman, as the Philipino passed his peak and the fire began to go out, was especially depressing.

It's now half a decade since Fury beat Klit and I still don't think him and Joshua will ever fight. A real low.

Just writing this post has made me want to slit my wrists. I'm off for a whisky!

[elmersalsa]

The emergence in the 1990s of the legacy-minded boxer, imitating the shenanigans of the late stage Sugar Ray Leonard, building a record instead of a fighter, picking and choosing alphabet titles, division hopping and fighting the easiest opponent to become an X division champ, handicapping opponents with weight and ring stipulations et al really cheapened the sport. Greatness is now bestowed on fighters who avoided all 50/50 fights.

The whole late 90s/early 00s Roy Jones era, where he was forever about to fight somebody good, but never did, and fought so many journeymen for so many years he actually lost his p4p no 1 spot without losing! A weird, insufferable idiot who wasted his talent.

The 2001 introduction of the WBA super and regular belts genuinely made me wonder whether I could be bothered with boxing anymore. Hopkins has all 3 belts but Joppy and Eastman are boxing for the WBA2 belt? Wtf? The needless elevation in 2004 of the WBO belt to major title made it basically impossible to crown undisputed champions, while also seeming to legitimise retroactively all those horrendous WBO fights of the 90s.

British fighters using the WBO belt as an excuse to not fight the no 1 in their division, and instead staying at home and racking up endless defences against bums, is a modern phenomenon I could have done without. Calzaghe poss the worst offender here but there's plenty to choose from.

The interminable Klitschko/Mayweather era, which had all the action of a French art house film. Felt like it went on forever, with one dreary fight after another; Floyd you could argue had ventured beyond his weight class; but Wladimir with his mammoth size & strength advantages was truly pathetic with his timorous fencing and wrestling. The years Floyd was allowed to put off fighting Pacman, as the Philipino passed his peak and the fire began to go out, was especially depressing.

It's now half a decade since Fury beat Klit and I still don't think him and Joshua will ever fight. A real low.

Just writing this post has made me want to slit my wrists. I'm off for a whisky!

Have a drink on me.

[DrDuke]

It's fair to blame Mayweather for his temporizing / marinating tactics, but it's impossible to blame Wlad. If he was so bad, why nobody was able to just go and dethrone him? His era lacked elite level fighters, no one was of his level. Overall, the late 2000s - the early 2010s were a quite questionable era for boxing indeed. A lot of factors and circumstances lead to the lack of really big fights. No surprise, that the UFC became so popular by the mid 2010s.