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Boxing is very corrupt, where there is money there is corruption in this world but the problem with boxing is that it is corrupt even at the lowest of levels - it's a rotten sport and I would be very unhappy if my son turned pro as a boxer. He would damage his health for nothing (or nothing worth having...).

Fray Bentos wrote: ↑02 Dec 2021, 12:06 Boxing is very corrupt, where there is money there is corruption in this world but the problem with boxing is that it is corrupt even at the lowest of levels - it's a rotten sport and I would be very unhappy if my son turned pro as a boxer. He would damage his health for nothing (or nothing worth having...).

This is why I am often disappointed when children of former fighters especially world champions end up in the same sport.

I thought I’d resurrect this thread only because I was listening to a podcast with U.K. boxing commentators Ian Darke and John Rawling, I can’t remember which one said it but he was careful how he worded it for fear of being sued. He said he was speaking with a well known US boxing judge years ago (of course he wouldn't name them) when Tyson was fighting and they told him that Tyson would never lose by decision in Vegas. Of course we know it goes on but interesting an actual judge admitted it.

LOADS of Boxing people have stated it...

but often those statements are down played if not liked by Partisan Parties, who will pass them off as hearsay, marginalize them or just straight out Blank them.

Until same such statements are needed for them.

That is why you need to have the REPORTS, but of course, they sometimes get blanked too.

the Sport is corrupt to the core and it could easily be rewritten.

I'm not sure that it is as overall corrupt as soccer/football but I can't think of a sport that is so openly corrupt during the match rather than just behind the scenes.

p4p1 wrote: ↑24 Jan 2023, 20:27 I'm not sure that it is as overall corrupt as soccer/football but I can't think of a sport that is so openly corrupt during the match rather than just behind the scenes.

Football corrupt in what way, in terms of selling and buying players? I guess some sort of cheating or corruption is in every sport

Controversial wrote: ↑25 Jan 2023, 07:13

p4p1 wrote: ↑24 Jan 2023, 20:27 I'm not sure that it is as overall corrupt as soccer/football but I can't think of a sport that is so openly corrupt during the match rather than just behind the scenes.

Football corrupt in what way, in terms of selling and buying players? I guess some sort of cheating or corruption is in every sport

FIFA recently had a heap of people in deep water over corruption. Everyone’s votes in fifa that decide the future of the worlds biggest sport are for sale etc.

Why has Olympic boxing been so corrupt as well?

Maybe we should ask Gabby Logan that ?

I don't think the issues in boxing are solely down to corruption, I also think there is a strong slice of incompetence as well. IE some judges are just terrible and are not on the take. There could also be a problem with the way judges are trained and taught to score fights as well. Judging is not easy either, particularly in a close fight. The resources I was given when I was thinking about becoming a referee, had scoring rules that were completely different and from a logical point of view make sense.
From memory it was
10:9 - when a fighter just wins the round
10:8 - when a fighter clearly wins the round
10:7 - when a fighter dominates the round
Along with a point deduction for the knocked down fighter.

Of course that system which would IMO be a lot fairer and help give more meaning to easily winning a round vs just shaving it etc. is not used because competency of the judges as well as corruption would then cause an even bigger issue with the sport.

p4p1 wrote: ↑26 Jan 2023, 21:23 I don't think the issues in boxing are solely down to corruption, I also think there is a strong slice of incompetence as well. IE some judges are just terrible and are not on the take. There could also be a problem with the way judges are trained and taught to score fights as well. Judging is not easy either, particularly in a close fight. The resources I was given when I was thinking about becoming a referee, had scoring rules that were completely different and from a logical point of view make sense.
From memory it was
10:9 - when a fighter just wins the round
10:8 - when a fighter clearly wins the round
10:7 - when a fighter dominates the round
Along with a point deduction for the knocked down fighter.

Of course that system which would IMO be a lot fairer and help give more meaning to easily winning a round vs just shaving it etc. is not used because competency of the judges as well as corruption would then cause an even bigger issue with the sport.

I remember posting on the U.K. forum a hypothetical scenario and the difference in how people scored it was wide. You even hear the “experts” on TV score a round automatically as 10-8 when there’s been a knockdown regardless if the downed fighter was completely dominating the majority of the round.

part of it's incompetency, but shoddy officiating benefits the a-side far too much for it to just be that

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑27 Jan 2023, 03:56 part of it's incompetency, but shoddy officiating benefits the a-side far too much for it to just be that

Yeah of course. Boxing is subjective and different people see or prefer different things, that will never change, but of course often the "a-side" will get more favours.

p4p1 wrote: ↑25 Jan 2023, 23:27

Controversial wrote: ↑25 Jan 2023, 07:13

p4p1 wrote: ↑24 Jan 2023, 20:27 I'm not sure that it is as overall corrupt as soccer/football but I can't think of a sport that is so openly corrupt during the match rather than just behind the scenes.

Football corrupt in what way, in terms of selling and buying players? I guess some sort of cheating or corruption is in every sport

FIFA recently had a heap of people in deep water over corruption. Everyone’s votes in fifa that decide the future of the worlds biggest sport are for sale etc.

The corruption in FIFA is things like Qatar paying people to get them to vote to host the World Cup there.

In boxing, that's not even corrupt - that's the way things are supposed to happen. Whoever pays the promoters most gets the fights. The corruption in boxing is on another level again.

Controversial wrote: ↑27 Jan 2023, 03:44

p4p1 wrote: ↑26 Jan 2023, 21:23 I don't think the issues in boxing are solely down to corruption, I also think there is a strong slice of incompetence as well. IE some judges are just terrible and are not on the take. There could also be a problem with the way judges are trained and taught to score fights as well. Judging is not easy either, particularly in a close fight. The resources I was given when I was thinking about becoming a referee, had scoring rules that were completely different and from a logical point of view make sense.
From memory it was
10:9 - when a fighter just wins the round
10:8 - when a fighter clearly wins the round
10:7 - when a fighter dominates the round
Along with a point deduction for the knocked down fighter.

Of course that system which would IMO be a lot fairer and help give more meaning to easily winning a round vs just shaving it etc. is not used because competency of the judges as well as corruption would then cause an even bigger issue with the sport.

I remember posting on the U.K. forum a hypothetical scenario and the difference in how people scored it was wide. You even hear the “experts” on TV score a round automatically as 10-8 when there’s been a knockdown regardless if the downed fighter was completely dominating the majority of the round.

I've seen some fights where there was no knockdown but I thought the rounds were so one-sided they should have been scored as 10-8, because it was a genuine beat down.

Just finished reading Teddy Brenner's book. "Only The Ring Was Square". Gives a real insider view of the antics and corruption that went on in the business of boxing.

Alguiffer wrote: ↑05 Mar 2023, 17:43 Just finished reading Teddy Brenner's book. "Only The Ring Was Square". Gives a real insider view of the antics and corruption that went on in the business of boxing.

it not only cheated Fighters, it cheated Boxing History, much of which could be rewritten.

Horse racing is the most corrupt. Especially the trotters.

Snooker has now become very suspect with more than a few Chinese players being suspended and investigated for match fixing

Perhaps the biggest scandal was John Higgins and his manager at the time being caught on camera confessing "Give us a load of money and we'll take a dive guv" The obscene thing was Higgins was only charged with bringing the game in to disrepute by not alerting the WPBSA that an approach asking him to cheat had been made. You can gaurantee if it was a relatively obscure player there'd be thrown out for life

As for corruption in boxing I do wonder if Don King died tomorrow there'd suddenly be motivation to "Clean up the sport" what ever that might mean

Theoson wrote: ↑06 Mar 2023, 11:19 Snooker has now become very suspect with more than a few Chinese players being suspended and investigated for match fixing

Perhaps the biggest scandal was John Higgins and his manager at the time being caught on camera confessing "Give us a load of money and we'll take a dive guv" The obscene thing was Higgins was only charged with bringing the game in to disrepute by not alerting the WPBSA that an approach asking him to cheat had been made. You can gaurantee if it was a relatively obscure player there'd be thrown out for life

As for corruption in boxing I do wonder if Don King died tomorrow there'd suddenly be motivation to "Clean up the sport" what ever that might mean

Too many people sharing in too much money for that to ever happen.

Anyone remember David Haye carrying Audley Harrison until round 3 and then stopping him, I think he got off with it as the BBBoC couldn't prove he bet on himself even though he said before the fight it would end in the third.

ii dunno if most corrupt, but the great deal of subjectivity involves + the money on the line makes it very prone corruption

these days you basically expect the away fighter to get the loss even if everyone agrees he's done enough, you expect fighters with backing to magically appear at the top of rankings, etc

Boxing is corrupt in many ways. The obvious is the decisions. In boxing, a guy can completely dominate the fight and the judges can call it for the other guy. That simply doesn't happen in soccer, basketball, baseball etc. A soccer team doesn't win a game 3-0 and then the decision is reversed.
If you notice, when there is a terrible decision, it's almost never the less known fighter getting the win over the big name.

The WBS organizations rig their rankings. They have guys that they have ties to at the top of their rankings. If you take a look at the different organization's rankings you often see that aren't anywhere close to each other. One WBS organization can rate guys #1 and #2 and have them fight for their "tittle". Often neither guy is even close to be being! or #2. The winner is a "champion. Then that guy defends his title against someone else who the new #1 contender. That guy not be able to fight at all. And he gets a successful title defense.
What is amazing is that fans eat this up and are impressed with a guy for winning a "title" or have x amount of title defenses against stiffs.

And of course, promoters cheat fighters out of money all the time.