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Re: WBC Creates A New Weight Division Between Cruiserweight and Heavyweight
Posted: 17 Oct 2020, 15:53
by oogiebe
stevec@france wrote: ↑17 Oct 2020, 15:03
oogiebe wrote: ↑17 Oct 2020, 13:17
Wrong direction.
Not if we get more fights it isnt !
smaller HW guys who are currently unable to really compete at the top due to sheer size differnces .
I respectfully disagree. We need less divisions, not more.
Re: WBC Creates A New Weight Division Between Cruiserweight and Heavyweight
Posted: 17 Oct 2020, 15:59
by Jeff_lacy_ko
stevec@france wrote: ↑17 Oct 2020, 15:03
oogiebe wrote: ↑17 Oct 2020, 13:17
Wrong direction.
Not if we get more fights it isnt !
smaller HW guys who are currently unable to really compete at the top due to sheer size differnces .
Name names. I postulate these people dont exist
Re: WBC Creates A New Weight Division
Posted: 17 Oct 2020, 16:03
by Jeff_lacy_ko
Look at the top 10 on boxrec. 4 of the 10 have fought below or right around 225. Its a fake narrative to get more sanctioning fees and anyone falling for it here is a total idiot
Re: WBC Creates A New Weight Division
Posted: 17 Oct 2020, 16:04
by Jeff_lacy_ko
The current cruiser champ has a ko win over a wba paper titleist
Re: WBC Creates A New Weight Division
Posted: 17 Oct 2020, 16:28
by bobcatbox
Is the name officially super cruiser?
Really?
There are cooler names.
They should make this cruiser and cruiser can be junior cruiser.
The division stinks but the title fights it creates might not. Wilder vs Usyk for the [super cruiser] championship of the world anyone?
Re: WBC Creates A New Weight Division
Posted: 17 Oct 2020, 16:45
by gilgamesh
This for me represents the death of Boxing. I'll never watch again as long as this weight class exists. Loma vs Lopez is it for me.
My last hurrah as a Boxing fan tonight.
Re: WBC Creates A New Weight Division Between Cruiserweight and Heavyweight
Posted: 17 Oct 2020, 16:46
by gilgamesh
Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑17 Oct 2020, 13:15
Fùck WBC
FÙCK SULAIMAN
FúĆK BELLEW
I sincerely hope all 3 die.
Re: WBC Creates A New Weight Division
Posted: 17 Oct 2020, 16:47
by gilgamesh
jujigatame wrote: ↑17 Oct 2020, 14:29
Can they just ... do that? Don't these decisions have to be made by athletic commissions?
None of 'em have been before have they? Certainly not 130, 140, 154 or so on.
Re: WBC Creates A New Weight Division
Posted: 17 Oct 2020, 16:48
by gilgamesh
victor-romeo wrote: ↑17 Oct 2020, 15:39
I hate the idea of this new weight class..
It offends me to my core.
Re: WBC Creates A New Weight Division
Posted: 17 Oct 2020, 17:05
by oogiebe
gilgamesh wrote: ↑17 Oct 2020, 16:48
victor-romeo wrote: ↑17 Oct 2020, 15:39
I hate the idea of this new weight class..
It offends me to my core.
A huge part of any sport is its rich history. This re-writing must stop. Back to basic divisions for me.
Re: WBC Creates A New Weight Division
Posted: 17 Oct 2020, 17:08
by computerrank
oogiebe wrote: ↑17 Oct 2020, 17:05
gilgamesh wrote: ↑17 Oct 2020, 16:48
victor-romeo wrote: ↑17 Oct 2020, 15:39
I hate the idea of this new weight class..
It offends me to my core.
A huge part of any sport is its rich history. This re-writing must stop. Back to basic divisions for me.
Heavyweight (unlimited division), Light Heavyweight, Middleweight, Welterweight, Lightweight, Featherweight, Bantamweight, Flyweight - nothing else needed. 8 divisions not 17 or 18 or ...
Re: WBC Creates A New Weight Division
Posted: 17 Oct 2020, 17:12
by gilgamesh
computerrank wrote: ↑17 Oct 2020, 17:08
oogiebe wrote: ↑17 Oct 2020, 17:05
gilgamesh wrote: ↑17 Oct 2020, 16:48
It offends me to my core.
A huge part of any sport is its rich history. This re-writing must stop. Back to basic divisions for me.
Heavyweight (unlimited division) Light Heavyweight, Middleweight, Welterweight, Lightweight, Featherweight, Bantamweight, Flyweight - nothing else needed.
I'd go ahead and include Strawweight because even some of the Legendary Flyweights were really, really small like that, but that's the only extra one.
I don't think we'd be missing nothing without Cruiserweight either personally. Not much has ever really come of it.
Though I'd probably keep it anyway
Re: WBC Creates A New Weight Division Between Cruiserweight and Heavyweight
Posted: 17 Oct 2020, 17:12
by ldlamb
Perkin Warbeck wrote: ↑17 Oct 2020, 13:57
Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑17 Oct 2020, 13:22
What’s the division called?
Cruiserweight up to 190, Super Heavyweight over 224.
In between will be Heavyweight.
If this is true....I am even more against it.
Re: WBC Creates A New Weight Division Between Cruiserweight and Heavyweight
Posted: 17 Oct 2020, 17:16
by gilgamesh
ldlamb wrote: ↑17 Oct 2020, 17:12
Perkin Warbeck wrote: ↑17 Oct 2020, 13:57
Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑17 Oct 2020, 13:22
What’s the division called?
Cruiserweight up to 190, Super Heavyweight over 224.
In between will be Heavyweight.
If this is true....I am even more against it.
Think about this.
Should another phenom like Mike Tyson come along. He'd have to gain 15 pounds for no reason just to compete in the biggest fights possible. Along the way of gaining that 15 pounds. He'd lose speed. He'd lose stamina. He'd lose explosiveness due to packing on unnecessary extra mass.
This sport has ruined the possibility of there ever being another Mike Tyson. Another Jack Dempsey. Another Joe Louis. It can never happen again.
Re: WBC Creates A New Weight Division
Posted: 17 Oct 2020, 17:28
by oogiebe
computerrank wrote: ↑17 Oct 2020, 17:08
oogiebe wrote: ↑17 Oct 2020, 17:05
gilgamesh wrote: ↑17 Oct 2020, 16:48
It offends me to my core.
A huge part of any sport is its rich history. This re-writing must stop. Back to basic divisions for me.
Heavyweight (unlimited division), Light Heavyweight, Middleweight, Welterweight, Lightweight, Featherweight, Bantamweight, Flyweight - nothing else needed. 8 divisions not 17 or 18 or ...
Thank you!
Re: WBC Creates A New Weight Division
Posted: 17 Oct 2020, 17:40
by gregregegg
This is a joke. This with franchise is almost enough that WBC should start to become a secondary belt. The heavyweight division is already thin. Now trying to cut it in half.
All while screwing over the cruisers that can’t make 190.
In all seriousness every heavyweight that weighs under 245 will be able to make 225 if they want with minimal effort. That’s more than half the division. Doubt they will bother cause who will respect this belt the same as a real heavyweight belt...
Re: WBC Creates A New Weight Division
Posted: 17 Oct 2020, 17:41
by Onetimeonly
gilgamesh wrote: ↑17 Oct 2020, 16:45
This for me represents the death of Boxing. I'll never watch again as long as this weight class exists. Loma vs Lopez is it for me.
My last hurrah as a Boxing fan tonight.
The product is trash. I just cling to being a fan. Paying for Jacobs/rosado bothers me more than this. Not that it isn't ridiculous. Essentially what they're doing is telling the current cruisers to get fat.
Re: WBC Creates A New Weight Division
Posted: 17 Oct 2020, 17:51
by gilgamesh
gregregegg wrote: ↑17 Oct 2020, 17:40
This is a joke. This with franchise is almost enough that WBC should start to become a secondary belt. The heavyweight division is already thin. Now trying to cut it in half.
All while screwing over the cruisers that can’t make 190.
In all seriousness every heavyweight that weighs under 245 will be able to make 225 if they want with minimal effort. That’s more than half the division. Doubt they will bother cause who will respect this belt the same as a real heavyweight belt...
The one thing that needs to happen to save Boxing. Is the next time somebody wins a WBC Title. Throw it down in the ring, and f*cking spit on it.
If this sport means anything to anybody. They need to en masse boycott the WBC from here on.
They won't of course.
Re: WBC Creates A New Weight Division
Posted: 17 Oct 2020, 17:53
by gilgamesh
There's an outside possibility that Usyk COULD potentially outbox the likes of AJ or Fury.
If he has to gain over 224 pounds to even fight them. That chance is gone.
Re: WBC Creates A New Weight Division
Posted: 17 Oct 2020, 17:55
by Ruthless-RKO
gilgamesh wrote: ↑17 Oct 2020, 17:53
There's an outside possibility that Usyk COULD potentially outbox the likes of AJ or Fury.
If he has to gain over 224 pounds to even fight them. That chance is gone.
He can still weigh less than 224 and fight AJ or Fury.
It’s like RJJ. He weighed 198 against Ruiz. Then on the day he went down to 193 I think..
Re: WBC Creates A New Weight Division
Posted: 17 Oct 2020, 17:57
by gilgamesh
Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑17 Oct 2020, 17:55
gilgamesh wrote: ↑17 Oct 2020, 17:53
There's an outside possibility that Usyk COULD potentially outbox the likes of AJ or Fury.
If he has to gain over 224 pounds to even fight them. That chance is gone.
He can still weigh less than 224 and fight AJ or Fury.
It’s like RJJ. He weighed 198 against Ruiz. Then on the day he went down to 193 I think..
The Cruiserweight division was still 190 when RJJ did that.
Re: WBC Creates A New Weight Division
Posted: 17 Oct 2020, 17:59
by Ruthless-RKO
gilgamesh wrote: ↑17 Oct 2020, 17:57
Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑17 Oct 2020, 17:55
gilgamesh wrote: ↑17 Oct 2020, 17:53
There's an outside possibility that Usyk COULD potentially outbox the likes of AJ or Fury.
If he has to gain over 224 pounds to even fight them. That chance is gone.
He can still weigh less than 224 and fight AJ or Fury.
It’s like RJJ. He weighed 198 against Ruiz. Then on the day he went down to 193 I think..
The Cruiserweight division was still 190 when RJJ did that.
In 2003?? Really?
Re: WBC Creates A New Weight Division
Posted: 17 Oct 2020, 18:00
by gilgamesh
Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑17 Oct 2020, 17:59
gilgamesh wrote: ↑17 Oct 2020, 17:57
Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑17 Oct 2020, 17:55
He can still weigh less than 224 and fight AJ or Fury.
It’s like RJJ. He weighed 198 against Ruiz. Then on the day he went down to 193 I think..
The Cruiserweight division was still 190 when RJJ did that.
In 2003?? Really?
Yes
Cruiserweight went up to 200 pounds in either 2004 or 2005. I forget which. But Jirov vs Toney was in 2003, and the weight limit was 190 pounds.
Re: WBC Creates A New Weight Division
Posted: 17 Oct 2020, 18:00
by Ruthless-RKO
Just checked. It was around 2005!
Re: WBC Creates A New Weight Division
Posted: 17 Oct 2020, 18:01
by Onetimeonly
I haven't cared about a fight this year. I'll be damned if I'm boycotting the fight tonight because of a weight division.