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Hrgovic seems to be poorly promoted. He's as ready as he'll ever be, and he wants to face all the top heavyweights, but the fights cannot be arranged for some reason.

Hrgovic: I Have a Message To Heavyweight Division - Fight Me!

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pound per pound wrote: ↑09 Nov 2020, 08:39

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑08 Nov 2020, 19:04 looks slow and sloppy and ugly each fight, all his wins are messy. he's big and strong and obviously not terrible , prob top 20 range, but im finding it hard to get excited about him

the chinses hw zhang had a better win, actually pulled out a really quick nice counter to end that

they should fight

Slow and sloppy? Hrgovic has good skills and speed. I have read your posts before. Mate, you come across as a hater which probably means Hrgovic is good enough to hate. Better than top 20 range.

If you know anything about Booker, he is defensive and fought very defensively, yet he was down and stopped for the only time in his career.

Hrgovic is ready to step up. His magement said so, and he said the same. Who do you think he should fight in 2021?

I agree with you.... today he says in December in Zagreb shoud be the next fight ....

and than in february or march he fight a big name.... Hunter says : tell the location, i wonder if Hrgovic and his promotor miss that chance...
Hrgovic ko Hunter also for the first time in Hunters career

Hrgovics trajectory should go:

Takam
Joe parker
Title shot

You learn absolutely nothing fighting rydell booker. The heavy bag provides better training

morm wrote: ↑09 Nov 2020, 09:57

pound per pound wrote: ↑09 Nov 2020, 08:39

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑08 Nov 2020, 19:04 looks slow and sloppy and ugly each fight, all his wins are messy. he's big and strong and obviously not terrible , prob top 20 range, but im finding it hard to get excited about him

the chinses hw zhang had a better win, actually pulled out a really quick nice counter to end that

they should fight

Slow and sloppy? Hrgovic has good skills and speed. I have read your posts before. Mate, you come across as a hater which probably means Hrgovic is good enough to hate. Better than top 20 range.

If you know anything about Booker, he is defensive and fought very defensively, yet he was down and stopped for the only time in his career.

Hrgovic is ready to step up. His magement said so, and he said the same. Who do you think he should fight in 2021?

I agree with you.... today he says in December in Zagreb shoud be the next fight ....

and than in february or march he fight a big name.... Hunter says : tell the location, i wonder if Hrgovic and his promotor miss that chance...
Hrgovic ko Hunter also for the first time in Hunters career

It can be an interesting matchup. I gotta favor Hrgovic too. Hopefully he step ups indeed, be it Hunter or somebody else.

pound per pound wrote: ↑09 Nov 2020, 08:39

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑08 Nov 2020, 19:04 looks slow and sloppy and ugly each fight, all his wins are messy. he's big and strong and obviously not terrible , prob top 20 range, but im finding it hard to get excited about him

the chinses hw zhang had a better win, actually pulled out a really quick nice counter to end that

they should fight

Slow and sloppy? Hrgovic has good skills and speed. I have read your posts before. Mate, you come across as a hater which probably means Hrgovic is good enough to hate. Better than top 20 range.

If you know anything about Booker, he is defensive and fought very defensively, yet he was down and stopped for the only time in his career.

Hrgovic is ready to step up. His magement said so, and he said the same. Who do you think he should fight in 2021?

not hate, just reality, hope it doesn't hurt the feelings of filly's bois who are happy to see him can crushing

in 2021 he should a couple of guys among the group of hunter, takam, helenius, bakole, chisora, zhang, etc

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑08 Nov 2020, 19:04
the chinses hw zhang had a better win, actually pulled out a really quick nice counter to end that

they should fight

How about Frank Sanchez's win over Brian Howard?

I might be 50/50 Sanchez vs. Hrgovic

booker was shockingly shite

SportsRatings wrote: ↑09 Nov 2020, 12:59

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑08 Nov 2020, 19:04
the chinses hw zhang had a better win, actually pulled out a really quick nice counter to end that

they should fight

How about Frank Sanchez's win over Brian Howard?

I might be 50/50 Sanchez vs. Hrgovic

Sanchez looks solid. Better than Zhang. I think, Hrgovic can still handle him. Can be a great fight too.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑09 Nov 2020, 11:40

pound per pound wrote: ↑09 Nov 2020, 08:39

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑08 Nov 2020, 19:04 looks slow and sloppy and ugly each fight, all his wins are messy. he's big and strong and obviously not terrible , prob top 20 range, but im finding it hard to get excited about him

the chinses hw zhang had a better win, actually pulled out a really quick nice counter to end that

they should fight

Slow and sloppy? Hrgovic has good skills and speed. I have read your posts before. Mate, you come across as a hater which probably means Hrgovic is good enough to hate. Better than top 20 range.

If you know anything about Booker, he is defensive and fought very defensively, yet he was down and stopped for the only time in his career.

Hrgovic is ready to step up. His magement said so, and he said the same. Who do you think he should fight in 2021?

not hate, just reality, hope it doesn't hurt the feelings of filly's bois who are happy to see him can crushing

in 2021 he should a couple of guys among the group of hunter, takam, helenius, bakole, chisora, zhang, etc

That's fine but calling Hrgovic slow and sloppy isn't accurate at all. He's technical and quick with his feet and hands. That is the reality. He's also very big, can punch and take a punch.

2 fights from now, no one is going to talk about Hrgovic stopping Booker. You can pretty much pick any all time great you want, most of them had a 12h fight on the Booker level or below. His management says time to set up and their fighter, the same.

Hrgovic has decent speed for his size. He's not literally sloppy, he just has a style similar to Vitali, kinda loose. Although Hrgovic still looks more technocal and hard-hitting than Vitali.

DrDuke wrote: ↑10 Nov 2020, 10:13Hrgovic has decent speed for his size. He's not literally sloppy, he just has a style similar to Vitali, kinda loose. Although Hrgovic still looks more technocal and hard-hitting than Vitali.

Are you seriously comparing Filip Hrgović to Vitali Klitschko?

Here’s a summary of Vitali Klitschko's professional career highlights:

• Vitali Klitschko is a 'Hall-of-Famer', inducted into the IBHoF in 2018.

• Over the course of thirteen years, Vitali Klitschko engaged in seventeen world title fights, facing nine former world champions, despite being inactive for a four-year period during that timeframe.

• ‘Dr. Ironfist’ is a three-time world heavyweight champion and was rated amongst The RING’s top-ten heavyweight annual rankings nine times between the years 1999 to 2012. The only reason for him not being rated for four of those years was due to his temporary retirement.

• Vitali managed to reclaim his WBC world heavyweight title back from The RING’s second-highest ranked heavyweight fighter, Samuel Peter, without even bothering with a warm-up fight, despite being inactive for four years beforehand, due to retirement.

• Over the course of his 15½ year career in the pro ranks, Vitali scored 41 knockouts in the 47 bouts he competed in, with 91% of his victories coming by way of KO, the highest percentage of any former world heavyweight champion.

• His only losses were due to having suffered injuries. And he was even leading on all three official judges’ scorecards at the time both fights were stopped.

• Only Wladimir Klitschko, Joe Louis, Muhammad Ali and Larry Holmes have achieved more victories whilst competing in world heavyweight title fights.

What has Filip Hrgović achieved in the pro or amateurs to convince you that he is more skilful and a bigger puncher than Vitali Klitschko?

Was it his performance against Rydell Booker?

• Filip Hrgović has just defeated a man that is on the cusp of turning forty years of age, that's only won four bouts within the last 16½ years (against opponents having a combined total of 58 wins from the 142 fights they competed in).

• Rydell Booker was essentially a cruiserweight before his 13½ year hiatus from the sport and physically appeared to be carrying around 50lbs worth of flab, which accounts for the excess weight he'd gained since his heydey.

• Booker’s most recent victory, about 15 months ago, came against an opponent that hasn’t won a single fight within the last 8½ years (i.e. seven consecutive losses).

I’m sorry, but I can’t award Hrgović any Kudos for engaging in a mismatch, let alone justify any comparisons with Vitali Klitschko.

Omg, is EO that dumb, that he wasn't able to understand that it had been only a stylistic comparison, not achievement oriented?

Btw, EO, was it you, who has recently created 6 Vitali-worshipping accounts and stormed the history section?

DrDuke wrote: ↑10 Nov 2020, 11:01 Omg, is EO that dumb, that he wasn't able to understand that it had been only a stylistic comparison, not achievement oriented?

You said Hrgovic was more skilful and a bigger puncher than Vitali Klitschko.

Those were your words.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑10 Nov 2020, 11:39

DrDuke wrote: ↑10 Nov 2020, 11:01 Omg, is EO that dumb, that he wasn't able to understand that it had been only a stylistic comparison, not achievement oriented?

You said Hrgovic was more skilful and a bigger puncher than Vitali Klitschko.

Those were your words.

It wasn't exactly that, as I called him more technical other than skillful, but even if so, where's the relation of technique / skills and punching power with the quality of resume? Do you have enough brains to differ these things?

This forum has a wide spectrum of great posters to novice posters. I get Dr. D in the stylistic comparisons. I see both similarities as differences.

Similarities. They are both very big with similar height, weight, and reach #'s. Accomplished amateurs. Both hit hard. We will have to wait and see who hits harder when Hrgovic moves up as power and knockouts change with class. For now, my guess is their power is about even. Both have top chins. Both like to force the action.

Differences. Vitaly Klitschko was very good on defense, not because he was slick, but because he had great punch anticipation and could counter backing away, which is not easy. He also had some head movement, which is something Hrogivc needs to work on.

Hrgovic has a better hook to the head and body punching. Obviously Hrgovic has a long way to go to equal Vitaly's career.

DrDuke wrote: ↑10 Nov 2020, 11:53

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑10 Nov 2020, 11:39 You said Hrgovic was more skilful and a bigger puncher than Vitali Klitschko.

Those were your words.

It wasn't exactly that, as I called him more technical other than skillful, but even if so, where's the relation of technique / skills and punching power with the quality of resume? Do you have enough brains to differ these things?

Most semi-decent prospects are going to look like world-beaters against utterly appalling journeymen like Rydell Booker.

So it’s silly to perform stylistic comparisons between a novice prospect and a Hall-of-Famer.

Also, you definitely claimed Hrgovic was a bigger puncher than Vitali Klitschko. How on earth can you come to that conclusion?

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑10 Nov 2020, 12:23

DrDuke wrote: ↑10 Nov 2020, 11:53

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑10 Nov 2020, 11:39 You said Hrgovic was more skilful and a bigger puncher than Vitali Klitschko.

Those were your words.

It wasn't exactly that, as I called him more technical other than skillful, but even if so, where's the relation of technique / skills and punching power with the quality of resume? Do you have enough brains to differ these things?

Most semi-decent prospects are going to look like world-beaters against utterly appalling journeymen like Rydell Booker.

So it’s silly to perform stylistic comparisons between a novice prospect and a Hall-of-Famer.

Also, you definitely claimed Hrgovic was a bigger puncher than Vitali Klitschko. How on earth can you come to that conclusion?

Probably, if you watched those two instead of counting numbers of abc-belt defeces, you wouldn't object comparisions. Obviously Hrgovic needs to prove himself more, but as he looks more technical and does less arm-punching, so his punches gotta carry more power.

DrDuke wrote: ↑10 Nov 2020, 12:38

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑10 Nov 2020, 12:23

DrDuke wrote: ↑10 Nov 2020, 11:53

It wasn't exactly that, as I called him more technical other than skillful, but even if so, where's the relation of technique / skills and punching power with the quality of resume? Do you have enough brains to differ these things?

Most semi-decent prospects are going to look like world-beaters against utterly appalling journeymen like Rydell Booker.

So it’s silly to perform stylistic comparisons between a novice prospect and a Hall-of-Famer.

Also, you definitely claimed Hrgovic was a bigger puncher than Vitali Klitschko. How on earth can you come to that conclusion?

Probably, if you watched those two instead of counting numbers of abc-belt defeces, you wouldn't object comparisions. Obviously Hrgovic needs to prove himself more, but as he looks more technical and does less arm-punching, so his punches gotta carry more power.

Fair enough, we'll agree to disagree. And for the record, I can kind of understand where you're coming from.

It's just that in the past, we've had lots of bizarrely over-hyped fighters achieve nothing of any note in the heavyweight division, such as Luis Ortiz, Michael Grant, Jorge Luis Gonzalez and Odlanier Solis.

These guys were prematurely bestowed with an honorary rite of passage to being regarded as one of the best heavyweights on the planet (during their respective eras) by many self-proclaimed hard-core boxing aficionados, without them requiring the need for verification by seeing these fighters face the very best available opposition.

For the record, I don't dislike Hrgovic, but I'm unable to recognise his talents until he starts facing half-decent opposition.

And let's face it, Hrgović's bout against Rydell Booker met our expectations, because it was the disgraceful mismatch that everybody from this forum predicted.

It's also hard to detect any real improvement in the calibre of opposition Hrgović has been facing within the last two years.