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Re: What division would Marciano fight in today?
Posted: 05 Dec 2020, 12:55
by margaret thatcher
Lol you are so far behind mate. Dudes get ripped, get their weight as low as they can, then dehydrate a bunch of fluid/water weight, which they add back on the next day
hence, a guy like joe smith weighs in absolutelty shredded at 175, but then fights the next night at 190. guys these days are cutting 20+ pounds this way, rock got his body fat low but he never drained in the way they do today and never fought with day before weigh ins
get with the times and learn a bit about modern weight making practices matey, getting to 175 from a ripped 184 isnt even notable
Re: What division would Marciano fight in today?
Posted: 05 Dec 2020, 13:37
by Ambling Alp II
We should look at what Marciano's strengths and weaknesses when rating him. Always wonder what the weight "advantage" does? Would his opponent be able to hit Marciano with a bathroom scale?
Re: What division would Marciano fight in today?
Posted: 05 Dec 2020, 13:48
by DrDuke
Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑05 Dec 2020, 13:37
Always wonder what the weight "advantage" does?
It gotta be a tough task to understand it with the sport, which has weight classes. Well, probably in your next 40 years of being a boxing fan you'll finally find this mysterious answer.
Re: What division would Marciano fight in today?
Posted: 05 Dec 2020, 13:51
by margaret thatcher
Still waiting on these 5'11 190 pounders to take over the division now, you know, the guys with the 'real' size advantage
true that size isnt everything, and either way, rock coulda certainly made 175
Re: What division would Marciano fight in today?
Posted: 05 Dec 2020, 14:02
by Ambling Alp II
Did the 240-250 pound guys dominate in Marciano's era? Or in the Joe Louis era? Or Jack Dempsey's?
He wouldn't have fought at 175.
Re: What division would Marciano fight in today?
Posted: 05 Dec 2020, 14:04
by Tuan_Jim
It's so hard to have a rational conversation with wikipedia readers and record browsers
Re: What division would Marciano fight in today?
Posted: 05 Dec 2020, 14:05
by margaret thatcher
Tuan_Jim wrote: ↑05 Dec 2020, 14:04
It's so hard to have a rational conversation with wikipedia readers and record browsers
you've shown you know nothing about current weight practices my man, it's easy to show guys who drained far more than rock would need to to make 175
i guess that's what happens when you admit you're not really keeping up with the times very much lol
Re: What division would Marciano fight in today?
Posted: 05 Dec 2020, 14:05
by Controversial
Tuan_Jim wrote: ↑05 Dec 2020, 07:28
Christ... They got down to the weight first. How much they eat and drink and gain afterwards is irrelevant. They first got down to the weight.
Marciano never got down to 175, and weighed 178 one time while young and in his first 10 fights. Could Razor Ruddock when he was in his prime have gone back down to 184 because he weighed it one time early in his career?
Those of us who have actually read about Marciano and are informed about the man -- i.e. not you -- know how hard he trained to get himself in shape, and what he would put his body through in his lengthy camps. He was one of the fittest heavyweight champs ever, and to suggest at 184 he could lose more weight and get down to 175 is risible.
I'm not sure I agree. He never got down to 175 because he never had to because he was fighting at HW not LHW. He fought at 178 on two occasions, his 10th and 12th fights and 179 and 180 in his 23rd/24th fights. Against Louis and JJW, late in his career aged 29, he was only 184, just 9lbs over LHW. That isn't a lot of weight to lose but of course he didn't need to, doesn't mean it was impossible.
The Ruddock comparison isn't really fair, Razor was only 18 at that weight and grew into a big broad 6'3" HW who of course would then struggle to drop back to that weight.
Re: What division would Marciano fight in today?
Posted: 05 Dec 2020, 14:11
by margaret thatcher
Jim obviously knows very little about the issue to think a guy weighing 184 at almost 30 could never make lhw, these guys today who fight at 20 + pounds higher than they weigh in are even more shredded than rock was, they cut their fat as low as they can then drain off to make the limit. with the day before weigh in and evolution of draining practices the weight game has changed a lot, obviously some people havent kept up
rock could've easily made 175, no issue at all, light heavyweights these days are fighting around 190. not sure why it's so triggering to some
you guys should look into mma weight game if you want to see even bigger drains, dudes pushing 30 pounds there
Re: What division would Marciano fight in today?
Posted: 05 Dec 2020, 14:42
by Djanders44
COULD Rocky have gotten down to a lower weight class today? I'm sure he COULD have, possibly very early in his career. BUT, in answer to the Original poster's question: "What Division WOULD Marciano Fight In Today?" Having known the man, the answer is: HEAVYWEIGHT. No doubt! Rocky would not have even considered a lower weight class to base the bulk of his boxing career in.
Re: What division would Marciano fight in today?
Posted: 05 Dec 2020, 15:14
by Caractacus
he would fight as a heavy-weight still today l,even if he had to put on 20 lbs of even more muscle on his frame to do it.
mainly because that where the "Doe-Ray-Me" still is.
Re: What division would Marciano fight in today?
Posted: 05 Dec 2020, 15:41
by Tuan_Jim
Maggie knows literally nothing about the subject to think Rocky Marciano would even consider fighting at light heavy. Wonder what that special ingredient is that heavies from the last 30 years have been using to massively bulk up?
Re: What division would Marciano fight in today?
Posted: 05 Dec 2020, 15:43
by margaret thatcher
He could've easily made 175 if he wanted to, just as guys who fight at higher weights than he did are doing today
Learn something about modern weight cutting and get with the times my man. The more you only look at the past the more you fall behind, you obviously know very little about this topic lol
Re: What division would Marciano fight in today?
Posted: 05 Dec 2020, 17:51
by Jimmy2020
Tuan_Jim wrote: ↑05 Dec 2020, 14:04
It's so hard to have a rational conversation with wikipedia readers and record browsers
You are trolling, right?
Have you genuinely no idea how weight cutting, depletion and dehydration work? Rocky could easily make LHW. I think he could've fairly easily got to SMW and still fought north of 180 on fight night.
Re: What division would Marciano fight in today?
Posted: 05 Dec 2020, 17:58
by Tuan_Jim
Jimmy2020 wrote: ↑05 Dec 2020, 17:51
Tuan_Jim wrote: ↑05 Dec 2020, 14:04
It's so hard to have a rational conversation with wikipedia readers and record browsers
You are trolling, right?
Have you genuinely no idea how weight cutting, depletion and dehydration work? Rocky could easily make LHW. I think he could've fairly easily got to SMW and still fought north of 180 on fight night.
Why not middle? F%ck it, why not welter or even light? I want to see Marciano vs Teofimo!
Re: What division would Marciano fight in today?
Posted: 05 Dec 2020, 18:04
by Jimmy2020
I think Middleweight would be too much of a push.
The leaner you are the greater percentage of your bodyweight you can cut in glycogen and water. Rocky was lean. An 8% cut in fight week is very easy and a 10% cut is fairly normal for a guy of his body fat percentage.
Re: What division would Marciano fight in today?
Posted: 05 Dec 2020, 18:20
by cfang
There's no doubt he'd be a lt heavy. Hed weigh-in at 175 and be 185 on fight night.
Re: What division would Marciano fight in today?
Posted: 05 Dec 2020, 18:22
by Controversial
Marciano wasn't a big guy, his brother in one book said he was 5'9" at most, someone of his size and build could drop to LHW especially when he wasn't massively over the LHW limit in the first place.
Re: What division would Marciano fight in today?
Posted: 05 Dec 2020, 18:39
by margaret thatcher
cfang wrote: ↑05 Dec 2020, 18:20
There's no doubt he'd be a lt heavy. Hed weigh-in at 175 and be 185 on fight night.
Re: What division would Marciano fight in today?
Posted: 05 Dec 2020, 18:46
by margaret thatcher
Jimmy2020 wrote: ↑05 Dec 2020, 17:51
Tuan_Jim wrote: ↑05 Dec 2020, 14:04
It's so hard to have a rational conversation with wikipedia readers and record browsers
You are trolling, right?
Have you genuinely no idea how weight cutting, depletion and dehydration work? Rocky could easily make LHW. I think he could've fairly easily got to SMW and still fought north of 180 on fight night.
He's obviously clueless about fighters making weight today
Re: What division would Marciano fight in today?
Posted: 05 Dec 2020, 19:09
by oogiebe
Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑05 Dec 2020, 13:37
We should look at what Marciano's strengths and weaknesses when rating him.
Always wonder what the weight "advantage" does? Would his opponent be able to hit Marciano with a bathroom scale?
Get int he ring and have a guy lean all over you for several rounds, I don't even care if he is the same weight as you, you'll get tuckered out. Do it again with a guy who outweighed you by a stone and you'll die.
Re: What division would Marciano fight in today?
Posted: 05 Dec 2020, 20:08
by Ambling Alp II
So don't let the guy constantly lean on you for several rounds. It can be done.
Re: What division would Marciano fight in today?
Posted: 05 Dec 2020, 20:40
by Duran1970
Rocky trains down to 186 and with today's day and a half rehydration rules probably comes in around 2 bills so I'd say he'd compete at heavyweight..his power would flatten these chinny behemoths..and the heavyweight division is where the money is,and we all know how the Rock loved his currency
Re: What division would Marciano fight in today?
Posted: 05 Dec 2020, 21:27
by margaret thatcher
It's a bit ironic isn't it, the guys who go on about size not mattering or being way overstated, yet getting so defensive when people say rock could make 175
Re: What division would Marciano fight in today?
Posted: 06 Dec 2020, 04:33
by Tuan_Jim
Duran1970 wrote: ↑05 Dec 2020, 20:40
Rocky trains down to 186 and with today's day and a half rehydration rules probably comes in around 2 bills so I'd say he'd compete at heavyweight..his power would flatten these chinny behemoths..and the heavyweight division is where the money is,and we all know how the Rock loved his currency
Exactly, Rocky would go where the money is, which means heavyweight, which is the answer to the OP.
Given that lighter, quicker handed -- and frankly more gifted -- fighters struggled with him, I would think today's big hefty lugs would find it difficult to land square on him. Foreman II had 40lbs on Foreman I but he didn't lose his radar for punches. A roided up modern Marciano would be awkward and very, very interesting.