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Re: Saunders should NOT be chosen for Canelo?
Posted: 20 Dec 2020, 19:52
by Nondescript
Fray Bentos wrote: ↑20 Dec 2020, 03:26
Canelo should take it because it would make my 2021 better when he knocks the crap out of him!
Me too. BJS is a bully and it would be amusing seeing Canelo sadistically beat ten bells of shit out of him.
Re: Saunders should NOT be chosen for Canelo?
Posted: 21 Dec 2020, 11:00
by cormack
Nondescript wrote: ↑20 Dec 2020, 19:52
Fray Bentos wrote: ↑20 Dec 2020, 03:26
Canelo should take it because it would make my 2021 better when he knocks the crap out of him!
Me too. BJS is a bully and it would be amusing seeing Canelo sadistically beat ten bells of shit out of him.
I vote for this too !
Re: Saunders should NOT be chosen for Canelo?
Posted: 21 Dec 2020, 16:52
by Coco
While Saunders has the style to give Canelo problems, the Mexican is bigger, stronger and with a real good engine. Furthermore he patiently stalks his prey, making them work overtime and intelligently cuts down the ring.
BJS may well box his way into a lead but he doesn't have a big engine and will be made to work every minute of every round. Therefore I can't see anything but Alverez getting to the Englishman in the second half of the fight.
Re: Saunders should NOT be chosen for Canelo?
Posted: 21 Dec 2020, 20:57
by stujones
I think Saunders has the natural style to give Canelo fits. I think the Saunders who fought Lemieux and Eubank remind my stylistically of Cotto when he fought Canelo and for me that was the blue print. He can be out boxed..
Huge gulf in levels between a past it Murray and Canelo.
What do people think of his power...Canelo....Kovalev aside nearly all of his world class wins have gone the distance
Re: Saunders should NOT be chosen for Canelo?
Posted: 21 Dec 2020, 21:10
by danconnollyeire
stujones wrote: ↑21 Dec 2020, 20:57
I think Saunders has the natural style to give Canelo fits. I think the Saunders who fought Lemieux and Eubank remind my stylistically of Cotto when he fought Canelo and for me that was the blue print. He can be out boxed..
Huge gulf in levels between a past it Murray and Canelo.
What do people think of his power...Canelo....Kovalev aside nearly all of his world class wins have gone the distance
Cotto? Was that a typo?
Re: Saunders should NOT be chosen for Canelo?
Posted: 21 Dec 2020, 22:21
by Boxingcutsman
Saunders DOES NOT have the style to beat canelo, or even cause him problems tbh, he doesn’t poses anything of note or concern that Canelo has not faced or seen before or would be a concern, neither does Saunders IMO have the ability, engine, power, grit or toughness to prevent him not getting folded like a pretzel by canelo
it will be great to see, if Saunders has the minerals to fight him (which I doubt) and doesn’t just talk it up and then price himself out has a get out clause and then go talking pure sh it about how canelo doesn’t want it and is avoiding him.
Tbh I honestly don’t see anyone between 154-175 beating canelo
Re: Saunders should NOT be chosen for Canelo?
Posted: 21 Dec 2020, 23:46
by Grilling Machine
stujones wrote: ↑21 Dec 2020, 20:57What do people think of his power...Canelo....Kovalev aside nearly all of his world class wins have gone the distance
Canelo hits pretty hard from what I've seen, but unlike most fighters who go for the KO when they hurt an opponent, he's patient enough to let them off the hook slightly because he's done his job for that round: to take more out of them than they've taken out of him. Takes a lot of self-confidence to do that.
Because if he spends 5% to take 10 out of you every round, you end up on fumes when he's still strong. So I think he's consciously — and very intelligently — a 12-round fighter; though he'll obviously bang you out if the opportunity's there. He probably could've stopped Smith late, but fought with a calmness that didn't necessitate it.
Most fighters are worried about coming a cropper for letting an opportunity slip away, and for trying to force it they waste enough energy to increase the likelihood of that happening! You need enough power to win his respect, but after that it's a great engine with the ability to outbox him. I felt Smith did okay the first couple of rounds, but for simply doing ‘okay’ I knew he'd already lost. He needed to be much busier and fiercer with his jab.
Re: Saunders should NOT be chosen for Canelo?
Posted: 21 Dec 2020, 23:48
by margaret thatcher
I want Berterbiev or Joe Smith next!
Re: Saunders should NOT be chosen for Canelo?
Posted: 22 Dec 2020, 04:49
by Twinkle Toes
People are doing it again.
Lemuiex and Eubank J - It's laughable to suggest his performance against these two is a blueprint to beating Alvarez. The opposition isn't even comparable to Alvarez other than they all wear boxing gloves.
Re: Saunders should NOT be chosen for Canelo?
Posted: 22 Dec 2020, 08:47
by bigjack
Twinkle Toes wrote: ↑22 Dec 2020, 04:49
People are doing it again.
Lemuiex and Eubank J - It's laughable to suggest his performance against these two is a blueprint to beating Alvarez. The opposition isn't even comparable to Alvarez other than they all wear boxing gloves.
Saunders 'double world champ' and his best opponent was Lemuiex,Saunders will have less chance than Callum did as he's fighting outside of his natural weight division,doesn't have the fitness or punch power to have much success,if any and running all night won't do him any favours either
Re: Saunders should NOT be chosen for Canelo?
Posted: 22 Dec 2020, 12:26
by rd350lc
bigjack wrote: ↑22 Dec 2020, 08:47
Twinkle Toes wrote: ↑22 Dec 2020, 04:49
People are doing it again.
Lemuiex and Eubank J - It's laughable to suggest his performance against these two is a blueprint to beating Alvarez. The opposition isn't even comparable to Alvarez other than they all wear boxing gloves.
Saunders 'double world champ' and his best opponent was Lemuiex,Saunders will have less chance than Callum did as he's fighting outside of his natural weight division,doesn't have the fitness or punch power to have much success,if any and running all night won't do him any favours either
Whilst I agree with nearly everything you said , I think Junior is better than Lemuiex.
Re: Saunders should NOT be chosen for Canelo?
Posted: 22 Dec 2020, 12:53
by tonyevs
I am surprised to read couple on here suggesting Saunders has a chance to even compete with Canelo - he absolutely does not!
I`d expect Smith v Saunders to be 50/50 with the bookies if it were made .. I would lean towards Smith myself to win. And as we just seen; Smith didnt present much of a challenge to Canelo, who was at times doing stuff in there you`d expect to see in sparring ... those exaggerated feints, and basically telegraphing his next move to Smith.
Saunders would be on the back foot as soon as they touched gloves to begin ..
Re: Saunders should NOT be chosen for Canelo?
Posted: 22 Dec 2020, 12:56
by Counter-puncher
Grilling Machine wrote: ↑21 Dec 2020, 23:46
stujones wrote: ↑21 Dec 2020, 20:57What do people think of his power...Canelo....Kovalev aside nearly all of his world class wins have gone the distance
Canelo hits pretty hard from what I've seen, but unlike most fighters who go for the KO when they hurt an opponent, he's patient enough to let them off the hook slightly because he's done his job for that round: to take more out of them than they've taken out of him. Takes a lot of self-confidence to do that.
Because if he spends 5% to take 10 out of you every round, you end up on fumes when he's still strong. So I think he's consciously — and very intelligently — a 12-round fighter; though he'll obviously bang you out if the opportunity's there. He probably could've stopped Smith late, but fought with a calmness that didn't necessitate it.
Most fighters are worried about coming a cropper for letting an opportunity slip away, and for trying to force it they waste enough energy to increase the likelihood of that happening! You need enough power to win his respect, but after that it's a great engine with the ability to outbox him. I felt Smith did okay the first couple of rounds, but for simply doing ‘okay’ I knew he'd already lost. He needed to be much busier and fiercer with his jab.
one reason (actually maybe two) his lower-weight wins often went to points, in my opinion, is that firstly at the lower weights fighters had more mobility and stamina to run away from him whereas the likes of Kovalev and Smith he can just amble after them and still cut the ring off, and secondly that (2) as drained as he was at 154lbs, he didn't have the energy to push the fight to where his opponent was in the red zone.
Re: Saunders should NOT be chosen for Canelo?
Posted: 22 Dec 2020, 13:09
by skanksta
There isn't a lot left is there ?
GGG first gotta be.
Then Plant, Saunders/BooBoo winner, Benavidez or Eubank would be a good watch.
He probably beats them all and then what ?
LHW or a kinda dull Harlem Globetrotters tour like late "PB"F"M"M - TBE
Re: Saunders should NOT be chosen for Canelo?
Posted: 22 Dec 2020, 13:46
by bigjack
rd350lc wrote: ↑22 Dec 2020, 12:26
bigjack wrote: ↑22 Dec 2020, 08:47
Twinkle Toes wrote: ↑22 Dec 2020, 04:49
People are doing it again.
Lemuiex and Eubank J - It's laughable to suggest his performance against these two is a blueprint to beating Alvarez. The opposition isn't even comparable to Alvarez other than they all wear boxing gloves.
Saunders 'double world champ' and his best opponent was Lemuiex,Saunders will have less chance than Callum did as he's fighting outside of his natural weight division,doesn't have the fitness or punch power to have much success,if any and running all night won't do him any favours either
Whilst I agree with nearly everything you said , I think Junior is better than Lemuiex.
So do I,was just going on the majority of comments on here
Re: Saunders should NOT be chosen for Canelo?
Posted: 22 Dec 2020, 17:21
by rd350lc
bigjack wrote: ↑22 Dec 2020, 13:46
rd350lc wrote: ↑22 Dec 2020, 12:26
bigjack wrote: ↑22 Dec 2020, 08:47
Saunders 'double world champ' and his best opponent was Lemuiex,Saunders will have less chance than Callum did as he's fighting outside of his natural weight division,doesn't have the fitness or punch power to have much success,if any and running all night won't do him any favours either
Whilst I agree with nearly everything you said , I think Junior is better than Lemuiex.
So do I,was just going on the majority of comments on here
Re: Saunders should NOT be chosen for Canelo?
Posted: 22 Dec 2020, 20:46
by THEBUTCH
WHY is no one demanding the fight that would, figuratively speaking, make me self combust....Beterbiev v Alverez
I cannot think of a better match in the world, including Spence v Crawford !
Re: Saunders should NOT be chosen for Canelo?
Posted: 22 Dec 2020, 20:58
by forcefraser
If Beterbiev v Canelo was announced I would instantly have to change my Grundies. When the reality sank in I would have to change them a second time
Aint gonna happen though
Re: Saunders should NOT be chosen for Canelo?
Posted: 22 Dec 2020, 21:57
by Wee Tommy
forcefraser wrote: ↑20 Dec 2020, 17:50
The fight for me has to be Beterbiev v Canelo
Beterbiev carries the power to hurt him and he too.is relentless.
That could be a step too far for Canelo
I think Beterbiev would be too naturally strong for him. If he did beat Arthur then it’s his best win and puts him right up there.
Re: Saunders should NOT be chosen for Canelo?
Posted: 23 Dec 2020, 04:57
by JC
Wee Tommy wrote: ↑22 Dec 2020, 21:57
forcefraser wrote: ↑20 Dec 2020, 17:50
The fight for me has to be Beterbiev v Canelo
Beterbiev carries the power to hurt him and he too.is relentless.
That could be a step too far for Canelo
I think Beterbiev would be too naturally strong for him. If he did beat Arthur then it’s his best win and puts him right up there.
Feels a bit like when Pacquiao was going up through the weights and we were always expecting the next opponent to be a step too far. Then, ironically, his devastating loss comes agains Marquez.
Re: Saunders should NOT be chosen for Canelo?
Posted: 23 Dec 2020, 06:57
by bigjack
Saunders has had one 'impressive performance' in maybe the last 7 years against a fringe contender,the rest have been close or extremely boring.He has no chance of even being competetive with Canelo,doesn't have the strength,fitness or power to worry him for a minute.When has Canelo stunk the place out like Saunders did in the Paisley Leisure Centre ?
Re: Saunders should NOT be chosen for Canelo?
Posted: 23 Dec 2020, 10:58
by brilo33
billy joeis is big enough for super middle v canelo , has to billy joe next if canelo fights at super mid, plant aint slick enough yet though i like him
Re: Saunders should NOT be chosen for Canelo?
Posted: 23 Dec 2020, 10:58
by brilo33
bigjack wrote: ↑23 Dec 2020, 06:57
Saunders has had one 'impressive performance' in maybe the last 7 years against a fringe contender,the rest have been close or extremely boring.He has no chance of even being competetive with Canelo,doesn't have the strength,fitness or power to worry him for a minute.When has Canelo stunk the place out like Saunders did in the Paisley Leisure Centre ?
boxed well against andy lee
Re: Saunders should NOT be chosen for Canelo?
Posted: 23 Dec 2020, 11:03
by brilo33
no point talking about power against saul , tripple g couldnt stop saul marching forward so no one is . saul hasnt stopped smith or jacobs or ggg, yea Kovalev but i mean yarde pushed him aswell and it wasnt Kovalev of old saul is my all time favourite boxer , but against a pure boxer it will be a test
Re: Saunders should NOT be chosen for Canelo?
Posted: 23 Dec 2020, 11:25
by bigjack
brilo33 wrote: ↑23 Dec 2020, 10:58
bigjack wrote: ↑23 Dec 2020, 06:57
Saunders has had one 'impressive performance' in maybe the last 7 years against a fringe contender,the rest have been close or extremely boring.He has no chance of even being competetive with Canelo,doesn't have the strength,fitness or power to worry him for a minute.When has Canelo stunk the place out like Saunders did in the Paisley Leisure Centre ?
boxed well against andy lee
Yes and it was very close,stinker of a fight too.