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Re: what is the bridge too far for cinammon?
Posted: 02 Jan 2021, 11:51
by Autobarn
A bridge too far is facing a prime light heavyweight at light heavyweight.
We saw how sluggish he was against Kovalev, although he got the result and scored a heavy KO.
But if he drags Bivol down to 168, all I can say is no skinny, weight weakened guy at 168 is beating this tank.
Re: what is the bridge too far for cinammon?
Posted: 02 Jan 2021, 13:10
by Ruthless-RKO
Autobarn wrote: ↑02 Jan 2021, 11:51
A bridge too far is facing a prime light heavyweight at light heavyweight.
We saw how sluggish he was against Kovalev, although he got the result and scored a heavy KO.
But if he drags Bivol down to 168, all I can say is no skinny, weight weakened guy at 168 is beating this tank.
Bivol said he can make 168 easy. He was teasing it when he wanted to fight Cal Smith, saying if he didn’t wanna come up, he’d go down.
Re: what is the bridge too far for cinammon?
Posted: 02 Jan 2021, 13:29
by gilgamesh
Autobarn wrote: ↑02 Jan 2021, 11:51
A bridge too far is facing a prime light heavyweight at light heavyweight.
We saw how sluggish he was against Kovalev, although he got the result and scored a heavy KO.
But if he drags Bivol down to 168, all I can say is no skinny, weight weakened guy at 168 is beating this tank.
The Kovalev fight even seems suspect to me. Kovalev didn't fight like Kovalev, he fought like a guy going through the motions. Did he even throw a significant power punch the whole fight?
Re: what is the bridge too far for cinammon?
Posted: 02 Jan 2021, 14:41
by Ruthless-RKO
gilgamesh wrote: ↑02 Jan 2021, 13:29
Autobarn wrote: ↑02 Jan 2021, 11:51
A bridge too far is facing a prime light heavyweight at light heavyweight.
We saw how sluggish he was against Kovalev, although he got the result and scored a heavy KO.
But if he drags Bivol down to 168, all I can say is no skinny, weight weakened guy at 168 is beating this tank.
The Kovalev fight even seems suspect to me. Kovalev didn't fight like Kovalev, he fought like a guy going through the motions. Did he even throw a significant power punch the whole fight?
Well he was ahead on my card at the stoppage.
Re: what is the bridge too far for cinammon?
Posted: 04 Jan 2021, 09:49
by Ruthless-RKO
Hearn: It'll Take Canelo Going Completely Outside Weight Class, Comfort Zone To Get Beat
"It’s gonna take something, you know, a bit like Lomachenko, where he had to almost go to a weight class really to get beat,” Hearn said during a post-fight press conference early Sunday morning. “You know, he was a featherweight, a super featherweight [and then a lightweight]. And with Canelo Alvarez, you know, he [was] a welterweight, probably a light middleweight who went to middle. Now he goes to super middle. You know he can make 160. But, you know, he has to take the big challenges. And, you know, I saw some names like Bivol and Beterbiev and, you know, you have to go out, completely outside of your weight class and comfort zone to beat Canelo Alvarez.”
“You know, I mean, you saw Golovkin – two tremendous fights [versus Alvarez], very, very close,” Hearn said. “Can Golovkin do that again? Can the movement of Billy Joe Saunders cause him enough problems? But you’ve gotta hit him hard to keep him off. You know, Callum punches hard, but couldn’t put a dent in him, really, at any time. And, unfortunately, when you’ve got a fighter as good as that, who has a chin like that, it makes it very difficult.”
Re: what is the bridge too far for cinammon?
Posted: 05 Jan 2021, 09:00
by MarkMcBurney
DrDuke wrote: ↑25 Dec 2020, 18:13
He won't beat Beterbiev. He can beat the rest in this division.
He won't beat Briedis, whom I consider the man at the CW. He probably can beat the second tier CWs like one-dimensional Dorticos and enough vulnerable Glowacki with Makabu. He won't beat Okolie, who looks like a threatening comer of the division.
He won't beat anybody in the HW top 20. The likes of Chisora, Kownacki, Breazeale and Hammer will overwhelm him. Probably he can handle the likes of Charr, Kiladze, Lucas Browne, Dave Allen, David Price.
I'm not sure on the HW bit, I couldn't honestly say I would give him no chance against Joe Parker?
Re: what is the bridge too far for cinammon?
Posted: 05 Jan 2021, 09:35
by Cholo_cws
I'd be impressed if he could beat Bivol and/or Beterbiev (on a level playing field.) Otherwise I think super-middleweight and middleweight has been pretty weak of late and flatters Alvarez somewhat. He's just beaten Callum Smith, not Walker Smith.
Re: what is the bridge too far for cinammon?
Posted: 05 Jan 2021, 16:14
by Shambles
MarkMcBurney wrote: ↑05 Jan 2021, 09:00
DrDuke wrote: ↑25 Dec 2020, 18:13
He won't beat Beterbiev. He can beat the rest in this division.
He won't beat Briedis, whom I consider the man at the CW. He probably can beat the second tier CWs like one-dimensional Dorticos and enough vulnerable Glowacki with Makabu. He won't beat Okolie, who looks like a threatening comer of the division.
He won't beat anybody in the HW top 20. The likes of Chisora, Kownacki, Breazeale and Hammer will overwhelm him. Probably he can handle the likes of Charr, Kiladze, Lucas Browne, Dave Allen, David Price.
I'm not sure on the HW bit, I couldn't honestly say I would give him no chance against Joe Parker?
I honestly think you guys are mad, unless this is joke that has gone over my head.
I've had a quick search and Canelo is 5' 8" apparently. Joe Parker is 6' "4 and David Price is 6' 8". Even Dave Allen batters Canelo, these guys are too big and too strong.
Canelo, despite his obvious quality, can't compete with any half serious heavyweight. Even a journeyman heavy would fancy the job, or have a I completely lost the plot?
I dont even think Canelo can compete at cruiser. This is a bizarre conversation.
Re: what is the bridge too far for cinammon?
Posted: 05 Jan 2021, 18:47
by gregregegg
MarkMcBurney wrote: ↑05 Jan 2021, 09:00
DrDuke wrote: ↑25 Dec 2020, 18:13
He won't beat Beterbiev. He can beat the rest in this division.
He won't beat Briedis, whom I consider the man at the CW. He probably can beat the second tier CWs like one-dimensional Dorticos and enough vulnerable Glowacki with Makabu. He won't beat Okolie, who looks like a threatening comer of the division.
He won't beat anybody in the HW top 20. The likes of Chisora, Kownacki, Breazeale and Hammer will overwhelm him. Probably he can handle the likes of Charr, Kiladze, Lucas Browne, Dave Allen, David Price.
I'm not sure on the HW bit, I couldn't honestly say I would give him no chance against Joe Parker?
Parker? you have lost the plot. Parker is 6'3+, 240lb, world class...
Re: what is the bridge too far for cinammon?
Posted: 06 Jan 2021, 03:00
by margaret thatcher
i wonder what weight cinny would come in at for a hw fight
Re: what is the bridge too far for cinammon?
Posted: 06 Jan 2021, 04:11
by Stobbo
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑06 Jan 2021, 03:00
i wonder what weight cinny would come in at for a hw fight
Don't know. But I'm struggling to think of a 5'8" heavyweight to compare with
Re: what is the bridge too far for cinammon?
Posted: 06 Jan 2021, 04:24
by MarkMcBurney
gregregegg wrote: ↑05 Jan 2021, 18:47
MarkMcBurney wrote: ↑05 Jan 2021, 09:00
DrDuke wrote: ↑25 Dec 2020, 18:13
He won't beat Beterbiev. He can beat the rest in this division.
He won't beat Briedis, whom I consider the man at the CW. He probably can beat the second tier CWs like one-dimensional Dorticos and enough vulnerable Glowacki with Makabu. He won't beat Okolie, who looks like a threatening comer of the division.
He won't beat anybody in the HW top 20. The likes of Chisora, Kownacki, Breazeale and Hammer will overwhelm him. Probably he can handle the likes of Charr, Kiladze, Lucas Browne, Dave Allen, David Price.
I'm not sure on the HW bit, I couldn't honestly say I would give him no chance against Joe Parker?
Parker? you have lost the plot. Parker is 6'3+, 240lb, world class...
That's where I disagree, in the context of boxing ability I'm not convinced Parker is all that good. Height/reach is the only advantage he has over Canelo. He doesn't do anything exceptional and doesn't have massive power; can you honestly say he hits harder than Kovalev for example? I think Parker is rightly considered a top 10 heavyweight but in reality there is such a huge chasm between the top 2 or 3 in the division and everyone else that doesn't mean much.
Re: what is the bridge too far for cinammon?
Posted: 06 Jan 2021, 05:07
by DrDuke
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑06 Jan 2021, 03:00
i wonder what weight cinny would come in at for a hw fight
Probably around 205-210.
Re: what is the bridge too far for cinammon?
Posted: 06 Jan 2021, 08:34
by JimJim2009
Whatever the answer is to the question of "what is the bridge too far for cinammon?" its definitely not Avni Yildirim. Unless he dispatches Anvi quicker than Eubank, it gives Eubank something to brag about I guess.
Re: what is the bridge too far for cinammon?
Posted: 06 Jan 2021, 08:48
by danconnollyeire
MarkMcBurney wrote: ↑06 Jan 2021, 04:24
gregregegg wrote: ↑05 Jan 2021, 18:47
MarkMcBurney wrote: ↑05 Jan 2021, 09:00
I'm not sure on the HW bit, I couldn't honestly say I would give him no chance against Joe Parker?
Parker? you have lost the plot. Parker is 6'3+, 240lb, world class...
That's where I disagree, in the context of boxing ability I'm not convinced Parker is all that good. Height/reach is the only advantage he has over Canelo. He doesn't do anything exceptional and doesn't have massive power; can you honestly say he hits harder than Kovalev for example? I think Parker is rightly considered a top 10 heavyweight but in reality there is such a huge chasm between the top 2 or 3 in the division and everyone else that doesn't mean much.
lol if Canelo fought Chisora, Whyte, Parker, even Bakole... just just need to lean on him for 5 rounds and he'd be fvcked. Imagine how weak he's knees would become
Re: what is the bridge too far for cinammon?
Posted: 06 Jan 2021, 14:17
by margaret thatcher
DrDuke wrote: ↑06 Jan 2021, 05:07
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑06 Jan 2021, 03:00
i wonder what weight cinny would come in at for a hw fight
Probably around 205-210.
a 5'8 meathead tank
Re: what is the bridge too far for cinammon?
Posted: 07 Jan 2021, 00:35
by gregregegg
MarkMcBurney wrote: ↑06 Jan 2021, 04:24
gregregegg wrote: ↑05 Jan 2021, 18:47
MarkMcBurney wrote: ↑05 Jan 2021, 09:00
I'm not sure on the HW bit, I couldn't honestly say I would give him no chance against Joe Parker?
Parker? you have lost the plot. Parker is 6'3+, 240lb, world class...
That's where I disagree, in the context of boxing ability I'm not convinced Parker is all that good. Height/reach is the only advantage he has over Canelo. He doesn't do anything exceptional and doesn't have massive power; can you honestly say he hits harder than Kovalev for example? I think Parker is rightly considered a top 10 heavyweight but in reality there is such a huge chasm between the top 2 or 3 in the division and everyone else that doesn't mean much.
Parker is a lot bigger, A lot stronger, A lot more powerful and a lotttt more durable than Kov. Parker would beat the shit out of Kov and stop him in a couple of rounds. Ill admit canelo might put up more resistance but he still gets beat up bad and stopped.
Re: what is the bridge too far for cinammon?
Posted: 07 Jan 2021, 01:14
by DrDuke
Parker would overpower Canelo confidently.
Re: what is the bridge too far for cinammon?
Posted: 07 Jan 2021, 04:05
by KiwiRider
gilgamesh wrote: ↑25 Dec 2020, 17:42
I have a hard time seeing him beat Beterbiev.
A bridge too far was Golovkin as far as actually winning the fight, but when the judges are gonna give it to you regardless you'll win a lot of fights that might otherwise be too much for you.
I figure he could beat some Third Tier Heavyweights. Not sure who would be considered 2nd Tier.
Andy Ruiez
he ain't too tall and super squidgy
Re: what is the bridge too far for cinammon?
Posted: 07 Jan 2021, 04:06
by KiwiRider
DrDuke wrote: ↑07 Jan 2021, 01:14
Parker would overpower Canelo confidently.
And take anything Canelo threw at him.
