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Posted: **28 Dec 2020, 18:17**

sofiane tokoucht ratings mention from teh ingle bois, everyone take a drink

Posted: **29 Dec 2020, 03:47**

Galahad is a boring fighter to watch. Shame as he's good, trains hard, etc but realistically he, like a lot of Wincobank fighters, is a who needs him type.

Graham, Hamed, Rhodes and (briefly) Pele Reid are the only Wincobank fighters who have been worth buying a ticket for.

Posted: **29 Dec 2020, 04:14**

Jimmy2020 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2020, 03:47 Galahad is a boring fighter to watch. Shame as he's good, trains hard, etc but realistically he, like a lot of Wincobank fighters, is a who needs him type.

Graham, Hamed, Rhodes and (briefly) Pele Reid are the only Wincobank fighters who have been worth buying a ticket for.

Buster Keeton but he wasn't a Wincobank fighter with his style - it must have been murder for him in sparring.

Posted: **29 Dec 2020, 04:30**

Jimmy2020 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2020, 03:47 Galahad is a boring fighter to watch. Shame as he's good, trains hard, etc but realistically he, like a lot of Wincobank fighters, is a who needs him type.

Graham, Hamed, Rhodes and (briefly) Pele Reid are the only Wincobank fighters who have been worth buying a ticket for.

Brook?

Posted: **29 Dec 2020, 05:05**

Jimmy2020 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2020, 03:47 Galahad is a boring fighter to watch. Shame as he's good, trains hard, etc but realistically he, like a lot of Wincobank fighters, is a who needs him type.

Graham, Hamed, Rhodes and (briefly) Pele Reid are the only Wincobank fighters who have been worth buying a ticket for.

Willy Hutchinson? Liam Williams?

Posted: **29 Dec 2020, 06:47**

mickey1975 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2020, 04:30
Jimmy2020 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2020, 03:47 Galahad is a boring fighter to watch. Shame as he's good, trains hard, etc but realistically he, like a lot of Wincobank fighters, is a who needs him type.

Graham, Hamed, Rhodes and (briefly) Pele Reid are the only Wincobank fighters who have been worth buying a ticket for.
Brook?

Only seen him against Golovkin and Spence.

Posted: **29 Dec 2020, 09:25**

Jimmy2020 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2020, 06:47
mickey1975 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2020, 04:30
Jimmy2020 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2020, 03:47 Galahad is a boring fighter to watch. Shame as he's good, trains hard, etc but realistically he, like a lot of Wincobank fighters, is a who needs him type.

Graham, Hamed, Rhodes and (briefly) Pele Reid are the only Wincobank fighters who have been worth buying a ticket for.
Brook?
Only seen him against Golovkin and Spence.

He gave value in both those.

Posted: **29 Dec 2020, 09:51**

True.

Posted: **29 Dec 2020, 20:59**

I saw him live a fair bit. I was largely indifferent but he clearly had talent. Probably largely hamstrung by his first promoter but he did the best with what he had.

Posted: **30 Dec 2020, 13:57**

Shhhh wrote: ↑30 Dec 2020, 13:34 Wasn’t thaxton an Ingle fighter? Also was
Junior “Up the” Witter value or not?

Did you see the Witter v Judah fight?

Posted: **30 Dec 2020, 14:11**

Shhhh wrote: ↑30 Dec 2020, 13:34 Wasn’t thaxton an Ingle fighter? Also was
Junior “Up the” Witter value or not?

If he has only seen 2 Kell Brook fights, I doubt he saw Thaxton knockout "Scrap Iron" Ryan or Junior's brutal knockout of Vivian Harris.

Posted: **30 Dec 2020, 14:13**

Coco wrote: ↑30 Dec 2020, 13:57
Shhhh wrote: ↑30 Dec 2020, 13:34 Wasn’t thaxton an Ingle fighter? Also was
Junior “Up the” Witter value or not?
Did you see the Witter v Judah fight?

Junior had 9 days notice. It's a shame that Ricky didn't fancy it.

Posted: **30 Dec 2020, 14:29**

Pugilist-specialist wrote: ↑30 Dec 2020, 14:11
Shhhh wrote: ↑30 Dec 2020, 13:34 Wasn’t thaxton an Ingle fighter? Also was
Junior “Up the” Witter value or not?
If he has only seen 2 Kell Brook fights, I doubt he saw Thaxton knockout "Scrap Iron" Ryan or Junior's brutal knockout of Vivian Harris.

On the contrary. I am a 70s, 80s, 90s and to some extent 00s boxing participant/fan. In the last decade or so I have only really watched the big fights. I only post on here out of nostalgia and because I've known some people on here for nearly twenty years and some offline for thirty odd.

Posted: **30 Dec 2020, 14:43**

Pugilist-specialist wrote: ↑30 Dec 2020, 14:13
Coco wrote: ↑30 Dec 2020, 13:57
Shhhh wrote: ↑30 Dec 2020, 13:34 Wasn’t thaxton an Ingle fighter? Also was
Junior “Up the” Witter value or not?
Did you see the Witter v Judah fight?
Junior had 9 days notice. It's a shame that Ricky didn't fancy it.

He wasn’t an undercard fighter.

Posted: **30 Dec 2020, 15:08**

mickey1975 wrote: ↑28 Dec 2020, 17:17
Pugilist-specialist wrote: ↑28 Dec 2020, 16:35 Warrington doesn't want it. Since he boxed Barry he's fought the world no.204 and then been on twitter for 14 months.
Why would he? His fans want an exciting fight, I hardly think Sky would approve it and he’s got more than enough money to stay on Twitter as long as he wants.
Ps he’s boxing in February.

Posted: **31 Dec 2020, 08:33**

mickey1975 wrote: ↑30 Dec 2020, 14:43
Pugilist-specialist wrote: ↑30 Dec 2020, 14:13
Coco wrote: ↑30 Dec 2020, 13:57

Did you see the Witter v Judah fight?
Junior had 9 days notice. It's a shame that Ricky didn't fancy it.
He wasn’t an undercard fighter.

He'd just boxed on Bronco McKart's undercard but didn't want to fight on Mike Tyson's undercard

Him and his team knew that Judah was too good for him.

Posted: **31 Dec 2020, 11:12**

Pugilist-specialist wrote: ↑31 Dec 2020, 08:33
mickey1975 wrote: ↑30 Dec 2020, 14:43
Pugilist-specialist wrote: ↑30 Dec 2020, 14:13
Junior had 9 days notice. It's a shame that Ricky didn't fancy it.
He wasn’t an undercard fighter.
He'd just boxed on Bronco McKart's undercard but didn't want to fight on Mike Tyson's undercard Him and his team knew that Judah was too good for him.

History will place Ricky above him. Look at the Kostya fights. Khan played with him, too. I could go on. Unfortunately, Witter won’t even come into the argument. He’s even been forgotten in his hometown of Bradford.

Posted: **31 Dec 2020, 11:18**

Witter may well have been better than Ricky. We'll never know. Professional boxing isn't about who is best, it's about who people want to watch. Nobody wanted to watch Junior. It's a shame but that's how it is.

Posted: **31 Dec 2020, 11:57**

Jimmy2020 wrote: ↑31 Dec 2020, 11:18 Witter may well have been better than Ricky. We'll never know. Professional boxing isn't about who is best, it's about who people want to watch. Nobody wanted to watch Junior. It's a shame but that's how it is.

It’s surprising that Witter didn’t draw more fans. I know he had a stinker against Judah but he followed it with 15 KOs winning the British, Commonwealth and European titles with all finishing inside the first half of the fight.

A lot of the fights were on terrestrial but yet when he fights Vivian Harris who was a good fighter back then it’s at the Doncaster Dome Leisure Centre.

If he had a Hearn or FW fully behind him then I think he could have been far more popular.

Posted: **31 Dec 2020, 13:01**

maverick23 wrote: ↑31 Dec 2020, 11:57
Jimmy2020 wrote: ↑31 Dec 2020, 11:18 Witter may well have been better than Ricky. We'll never know. Professional boxing isn't about who is best, it's about who people want to watch. Nobody wanted to watch Junior. It's a shame but that's how it is.
It’s surprising that Witter didn’t draw more fans. I know he had a stinker against Judah but he followed it with 15 KOs winning the British, Commonwealth and European titles with all finishing inside the first half of the fight.

A lot of the fights were on terrestrial but yet when he fights Vivian Harris who was a good fighter back then it’s at the Doncaster Dome Leisure Centre.

If he had a Hearn or FW fully behind him then I think he could have been far more popular.

His title winning effort was terrible. Meaty Mick had ITV.

Posted: **31 Dec 2020, 13:10**

The Ingle style is effective but only good to watch when the fighter is a banger, or chinny, or both. Witter, like Johnny Nelson, was neither. Good, tough, but boring.

Posted: **31 Dec 2020, 14:32**

mickey1975 wrote: ↑31 Dec 2020, 11:12Unfortunately, Witter won’t even come into the argument.

If the argument in a decade or two is about ducking fights, he won't

Posted: **31 Dec 2020, 14:36**

Jimmy2020 wrote: ↑31 Dec 2020, 13:10 The Ingle style is effective but only good to watch when the fighter is a banger, or chinny, or both. Witter, like Johnny Nelson, was neither. Good, tough, but boring.

Also they go into their shell and spoil to get through fights rather than trying to win them

Posted: **31 Dec 2020, 14:58**

mickey1975 wrote: ↑31 Dec 2020, 13:01
maverick23 wrote: ↑31 Dec 2020, 11:57
Jimmy2020 wrote: ↑31 Dec 2020, 11:18 Witter may well have been better than Ricky. We'll never know. Professional boxing isn't about who is best, it's about who people want to watch. Nobody wanted to watch Junior. It's a shame but that's how it is.
It’s surprising that Witter didn’t draw more fans. I know he had a stinker against Judah but he followed it with 15 KOs winning the British, Commonwealth and European titles with all finishing inside the first half of the fight.

A lot of the fights were on terrestrial but yet when he fights Vivian Harris who was a good fighter back then it’s at the Doncaster Dome Leisure Centre.

If he had a Hearn or FW fully behind him then I think he could have been far more popular.
His title winning effort was terrible. Meaty Mick had ITV.

It wasn’t that bad - I’ve seen a lot worse fights!

You’re right - he had ITV but it takes far more than a terrestrial channel to promote a fighter.

Posted: **31 Dec 2020, 15:02**

As long as the the B&I forum exists there is always the possibility for any threat to result in a Hatton vs Witter debate. Even one entitled 'Boxing wishes for 2021'

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