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Loki wrote: ↑26 Jan 2021, 20:41 Prime Lewis, Prime Vitali and Prime Wlad all bash him up.

So true ...Wlad in rematch would have beaten tyson, wald wanted this fight so badly, and fury went into hiding excuse.
Fury will never be a true chamipon because he didn't commit to rematch and he hardly beat klitcko on points in first fight

fury > both klits

Boxtune wrote: ↑27 Jan 2021, 04:52

Loki wrote: ↑26 Jan 2021, 20:41 Prime Lewis, Prime Vitali and Prime Wlad all bash him up.

So true ...Wlad in rematch would have beaten tyson, wald wanted this fight so badly, and fury went into hiding excuse.
Fury will never be a true chamipon because he didn't commit to rematch and he hardly beat klitcko on points in first fight

This is why european countries, don't watch the fury fights. Klitckhos were first heavyweight who made boxing popular in Europe

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑27 Jan 2021, 04:54 fury > both klits

Gayish

Boxtune wrote: ↑27 Jan 2021, 04:57

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑27 Jan 2021, 04:54 fury > both klits

Gayish

You should know. Yup!

Cap wrote: ↑25 Jan 2021, 16:04 There are no Alis, Fraziers, or Foremans around now, but if you could design the ideal fighter to beat Tyson Fury what would he look like? I'm thinking a smaller guy who's quick with his hands and feet, has good defensive skills, can take a punch and has good power. Back in the day you always knew some young stallion was coming up through the ranks who would have the right set of tools to beat the reigning champion. Unfortunately, today that champion is the lumbering Fury and the class of contenders if pitiful.

I see three types.

A big puncher who presses forward and won't be hurt by Fury's modest power. Fury to me has a bit of a suspect chin.

A very tall boxer mover type that out works him.

An in shape Andy Ruiz type of boxer that does his best work up close and on the inside.

fury is a boxer ,someone bigger than him how can out box him, or an 6ft 6 saul or 6ft 4 ggg

Though not so much about style, but I think that at a minimum they would have to be 6' and even that is probably too small.

Fury admits he had issues with Cunningham who he saw as a smaller fighter.
But Cunningham was still 6'2", and Fury started rag dolling him later in the fight. Add to that Fury was still developing and gaining experience.

Personally I think the two current fighters who have the best chance are Usyk and Joshua.

Even Andy Ruiz at 6'0 is probably just too small to trouble him. That unfortunately means a lot of historical greats just wouldn't have much of a chance.

I understand people love Prime Tyson, but as DrDuke pointed out, even in his prime he sometimes struggled against taller fighters (let's say anyone above 6'3") and he fought no one of Fury's size, let alone size plus ability (even if you think Fury is over-rated).

I've heard people argue it's cyclical, and smaller heavyweights will make a come back , but I think it's just the reality of improved nutrition since the 80s. The average male got a lot taller.

adislav123 wrote: ↑26 Jan 2021, 21:11

Loki wrote: ↑26 Jan 2021, 20:41 Prime Lewis, Prime Vitali and Prime Wlad all bash him up.

prime wlad?

you surely joking.

he was as much in his prime and at the same time gunshy versus fury as he ever was. faced a man of his own size the first time. just couldn't cope that his 'jab & lean all over the smaller guy" shitshow didn't work out this time.

lewis & klit vs fury would be helluva fights.

You think the version of Wlad that fought Fury was prime? Wlad’s prime ended with Emanuel Stewart’s death.

His last good fight was against Pulev and had slipped significantly in the Jennings fight. I stand my comment.

while defo not in his physical prime anymore wlad implememented the dangerous left hook & an occasional bomb of an uppercut into his 'jab, grab, lean all over the other guy plus the straight right jackhammer whenever he could overcome his fear of counterfire & gunshyness for a moment once or twice a round" absolute shitshow of a boxing style at the end of his career around the jennings bout.

this mainly cause referees wouldn't let him smother his foes to death anymore after a row of scandalous performances (and the respectable refs's) with the povetkin 'fight' being the pinnacle of his constant & endlessly not overruled fouling by holding.

as he proved facing joshua he was as versatile and dangerous a fighter as he ever was capable of being(as he was forced to overcome the mental blockage so obvious in the fury 'fight' & without breaking the rules) at the very end of his career.

He wasn't in his prime against Fury, and he gave virtually no effort to win that fight. It was one of the most pathetic displays ever by a Reigning Champion.

On paper it's one of Fury's best wins. When you actually see the fight though. I'm not sure it's one of his 10 best. It wasn't a fight.

Wlad hasn't shown any significant signs of decline before the Fury fight and even performed better after it. He didn't do anything to Fury just because Fury was better.

DrDuke wrote: ↑30 Jan 2021, 15:46 Wlad hasn't shown any significant signs of decline before the Fury fight and even performed better after it. He didn't do anything to Fury just because Fury was better.

I don't buy that sh*t. Fury didn't do anything special in that fight. He was just in the ring with a guy who wouldn't fight him. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I could've given a better effort than Wlad did that night.

Even if I got knocked out in the 1st round. I could actually manage to attack like I f*cking mean it before I go down.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑30 Jan 2021, 15:49

DrDuke wrote: ↑30 Jan 2021, 15:46 Wlad hasn't shown any significant signs of decline before the Fury fight and even performed better after it. He didn't do anything to Fury just because Fury was better.

I don't buy that sh*t. Fury didn't do anything special in that fight. He was just in the ring with a guy who wouldn't fight him. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I could've given a better effort than Wlad did that night.

Even if I got knocked out in the 1st round. I could actually manage to attack like I f*cking mean it before I go down.

It was a special fight in a sense that it's the only fight, where Wlad got legitimately outpointed.

DrDuke wrote: ↑30 Jan 2021, 15:52

gilgamesh wrote: ↑30 Jan 2021, 15:49

DrDuke wrote: ↑30 Jan 2021, 15:46 Wlad hasn't shown any significant signs of decline before the Fury fight and even performed better after it. He didn't do anything to Fury just because Fury was better.

I don't buy that sh*t. Fury didn't do anything special in that fight. He was just in the ring with a guy who wouldn't fight him. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I could've given a better effort than Wlad did that night.

Even if I got knocked out in the 1st round. I could actually manage to attack like I f*cking mean it before I go down.

It was a special fight in a sense that it's the only fight, where Wlad got legitimately outpointed.

Did he though?

Pretty easy to beat a guy that doesn't fight you.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑30 Jan 2021, 15:53

DrDuke wrote: ↑30 Jan 2021, 15:52

gilgamesh wrote: ↑30 Jan 2021, 15:49

I don't buy that sh*t. Fury didn't do anything special in that fight. He was just in the ring with a guy who wouldn't fight him. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I could've given a better effort than Wlad did that night.

Even if I got knocked out in the 1st round. I could actually manage to attack like I f*cking mean it before I go down.

It was a special fight in a sense that it's the only fight, where Wlad got legitimately outpointed.

Did he though?

Pretty easy to beat a guy that doesn't fight you.

Well, both were landing some punches and Fury landed more. So, Wlad got legitimately outpointed. It's OK to dislike this fight, but it's impossible to take away the win from Fury.

Oh I didn't say he didn't win. I had him winning. I just don't think there's anything particularly impressive about winning one of the worst fights of all time.

I don't consider it one of Fury's best wins. I don't consider it one of his best performances. I consider it him being in the ring on a night when barely fighting was enough to win the Heavyweight Championship because the Champion didn't fight at all.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑30 Jan 2021, 16:04 Oh I didn't say he didn't win. I had him winning. I just don't think there's anything particularly impressive about winning one of the worst fights of all time.

I don't consider it one of Fury's best wins. I don't consider it one of his best performances. I consider it him being in the ring on a night when barely fighting was enough to win the Heavyweight Championship because the Champion didn't fight at all.

The champion still won a couple of rounds, so it's not fair to say, that he didn't fight at all. He did what he considered necessary and Fury did more. Obviously not the best win or performance of Fury, not an exciting fight either, but still a special case.

DrDuke wrote: ↑30 Jan 2021, 16:09

gilgamesh wrote: ↑30 Jan 2021, 16:04 Oh I didn't say he didn't win. I had him winning. I just don't think there's anything particularly impressive about winning one of the worst fights of all time.

I don't consider it one of Fury's best wins. I don't consider it one of his best performances. I consider it him being in the ring on a night when barely fighting was enough to win the Heavyweight Championship because the Champion didn't fight at all.

The champion still won a couple of rounds, so it's not fair to say, that he didn't fight at all. He did what he considered necessary and Fury did more. Obviously not the best win or performance of Fury, not an exciting fight either, but still a special case.

I don't consider it special.

Unique maybe in that you don't hardly ever see a Champion surrender his title with so little effort, but it's not a special performance.

Wlad lost mostly because he was (1) getting older (2) got too used to his safety-first style that was perfect for years - mostly against shorter opponents (but it was a disaster against Fury who - to give him some credit - fought a perfect fight).

If Wlad actually goes at it like he did against Joshua, he had good chance to win the rematch even past his prime.
I would favour Vitaly as well, although for slightly different reasons (slightly higher than Wlad and much tougher).

Holyfield would win with him like he should have won against Valuev. Prime Holyfield though, Fury is nowhere as bad as Valuev

Wlad was a very good fighter but he was manufactured, he wasn't a 'natural'. His style was programmed, it relied on his height advantage, his powerful straight right, his excellent jab. He basically worked to a formula where he would use his reach, sway back out of range, tie you up if you got inside. Sorry if this sounds like I'm putting him down, I don't mean to, he was excellent at what he did.

The problem arises when you've got an opponent that doesn't fit the programme. Fury firstly got in Wlad's head during the build-up but leaving aside the psychology, Wlad is suddenly confronted with a set of problems he hadn't encountered in the ring before, and didn't have the natural adaptability to come up with an alternative solution: The guy in front of him had the height and reach so the jab wasn't as effective as it had been previously, and the sway back out of range tactic was therefore useless. Fury was a more fluid boxer, his movement and unpredictable staccato style, feinting and constantly on the move totally bamboozled Klitschko. He couldn't set himself to throw because the target was never there long enough, consequently he didn't throw much at all.

It's not like Wlad was crap and Fury took advantage, Wlad was rendered ineffective by Fury's attributes and qualities it is not a coincidence. Wlad might well be regarded in future years as more of an all-time great but in my opinion although that verdict might well be correct, Fury beats any version of Wlad any time. It's a question of styles and Fury has the style to beat Wlad or Vitali or maybe even Lennox, I'm undecided about that last one.

So who has the style to beat Fury? Possibly Joshua but I'd suggest a highly skilled front-foot pressure fighter, someone with the skills to cut the ring off, the speed to get inside and stay on Fury's chest, and the engine to deny Fury any respite. Maybe a 21st century Joe Frazier.

Fury's best attribute for me is his timing. His ability to let his punches go and land precisely when his opponent begins to move in is excellent.

I think someone with a low centre of gravity with exceptional speed and head movement would get in and under him. The best person for that is also called Tyson........

But then Fury is also very good on the inside...... and big......so.....

errrrrr....... dunno

Possibly a HW Marcos Maidana. Someone who forces the action, just hits what ever is open, throws unpredictable looping/overhand kinds of shots, and generally makes it uncomfortable.

Not saying they'd definitely win but they'd be a bigger problem than a more 'correct' type of boxer like AJ, IMO.

Gangster style maybe?

The disreputable Fury might even end up beating himself in his efforts at HW takeover.

Daniel Kinahan is a name that we might be hearing a lot more of in the near future.

Sometimes there's more action happening outside the ring than inside it.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/extra/1y3kad ... rld-boxing

Wilder came close the first time didn't he?

Fury isn't unbeatable, very difficult to beat certainly, but not unbeatable.

I would favour him over any of the current crop though.

AJ has a pretty good shot though imo.