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Posted: **04 Feb 2021, 16:48**

watched it again. nothing even remotely shady to my eye.

can some expert point out were the alleged 'thumbing' happened?

just a pure masterclass by a gifted fighter & seasoned pro against a strong & dangerous young bull.

duran had the upper hand on almost every exchange.

duran bobbin' weavin' riding hard shots seemingly effortless, instantly back on the attack, sneaking those nasty bodyshots in is just a beauty to behold.

moore looked easily 10 pounds heavier, how much did they weigh in ring?

Posted: **06 Feb 2021, 22:58**

adislav123 wrote: ↑04 Feb 2021, 16:48 watched it again. nothing even remotely shady to my eye.

can some expert point out were the alleged 'thumbing' happened?

just a pure masterclass by a gifted fighter & seasoned pro against a strong & dangerous young bull.

duran had the upper hand on almost every exchange.

duran bobbin' weavin' riding hard shots seemingly effortless, instantly back on the attack, sneaking those nasty bodyshots in is just a beauty to behold.

moore looked easily 10 pounds heavier, how much did they weigh in ring?

I think the fouling on Duran’s part gets overplayed as well, probably by those going purely off memory rather than watching it again with a fresh pair of eyes.

Posted: **07 Feb 2021, 13:28**

100 percent NOT a fix. Duran just battered him.

Posted: **07 Feb 2021, 15:41**

To sum it up:

1. It obviously was not a fix. There is nothing whatsoever that indicates that it was.
2. Duran did foul him multiple times.
3. Getting thumbed does affect your performance.
4, Duran probably would have won convincingly without fouling him, though Moore would have been a bit more competitive.

Posted: **07 Feb 2021, 18:51**

Moore, fighting on his home turf, was younger, stronger, bigger, faster and probably had more world class experience at 154.

Facing Duran? He never had a chance.

Posted: **07 Feb 2021, 19:34**

Moore did not have more world class experience at 154. More importantly, overall, Duran had a huge advantage in experience.

Posted: **07 Feb 2021, 20:09**

That’s why I didn’t say overall experience and that’s why I mentioned Duran’s 80 fights compared to Moore’s 12 fights earlier in this thread.

Reasonable minds can disagree. But as far as world-class fighters go, yes, I think Moore’s wins over Rooney, Mihara, Kalule, Guiden and Weir actually topped mediocre victories over Minchillo and Gonzalez, losses to Benitez and Laing and an admittedly impressive knockout over Cuevas.

I do recognize that Duran had bouts at 154 even before Leonard, but I wouldn’t consider them world class. Maybe Nsubuga, who was beaten by both Duran and Moore.

Posted: **08 Feb 2021, 12:00**

If you want to argue that people like Rooney, Guiden, and Weir were marginally better than people like Minchillo and Gonzales, fine. It's irrelevant.

Moore did not have an advantage in experience that would actually help in the ring against Duran.

Duran had all the experience that he needed going into the Moore fight. Sure, if it was his very first fight at 154, it might make a difference physically. However, Duran had several fights at 154 already, including 15 rounds with Benitez.

Moore had a total of 12 fights going into the Duran fight. That doesn't remotely compare to the experience that Duran had. Duran had a huge advantage in experience in this fight.

Posted: **09 Feb 2021, 13:35**

Davey Moore had more physical advantages over The Hands of Stone.

Roberto Duran had more experience.

Duran, a lightweight fighting at 154lbs whupped that azz!

Posted: **10 Feb 2021, 13:17**

He was a jr middleweight, not a lightweight. Had not been a lightweight for several years.

Posted: **10 Feb 2021, 13:27**

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑10 Feb 2021, 13:17 He was a jr middleweight, not a lightweight. Had not been a lightweight for several years.

Still, the weight was not favorable for him. It was like a welterweight fighting Light-heavyweights or cruiserweight.

Still, it was a remarkable feat. A remarkable comeback for the ages.

Posted: **10 Feb 2021, 14:49**

elmersalsa wrote: ↑10 Feb 2021, 13:27
Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑10 Feb 2021, 13:17 He was a jr middleweight, not a lightweight. Had not been a lightweight for several years.
Still, the weight was not favorable for him. It was like a welterweight fighting Light-heavyweights or cruiserweight.

Still, it was a remarkable feat. A remarkable comeback for the ages.

And just think. 6 years later he whipped the even bigger Iran Barkley's ass.

Posted: **10 Feb 2021, 14:59**

gilgamesh wrote: ↑10 Feb 2021, 14:49
elmersalsa wrote: ↑10 Feb 2021, 13:27
Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑10 Feb 2021, 13:17 He was a jr middleweight, not a lightweight. Had not been a lightweight for several years.
Still, the weight was not favorable for him. It was like a welterweight fighting Light-heavyweights or cruiserweight.

Still, it was a remarkable feat. A remarkable comeback for the ages.
And just think. 6 years later he whipped the even bigger Iran Barkley's ass.

That is why to me, Duran is top 5 all-time. What a fighter!

Posted: **10 Feb 2021, 15:07**

elmersalsa wrote: ↑10 Feb 2021, 14:59
gilgamesh wrote: ↑10 Feb 2021, 14:49
elmersalsa wrote: ↑10 Feb 2021, 13:27

Still, the weight was not favorable for him. It was like a welterweight fighting Light-heavyweights or cruiserweight.

Still, it was a remarkable feat. A remarkable comeback for the ages.
And just think. 6 years later he whipped the even bigger Iran Barkley's ass.
That is why to me, Duran is top 5 all-time. What a fighter!

I have him in my Top 10, not quite Top 5, but yes he's an absolutely amazing fighter, and one of my favorites to watch. Even the word Legend doesn't sum up his achievements enough because it's such an overused word, but yeah in the long, long history of Boxing he's one of the very best that's ever done it.

Of the last 60 years or so. Him, Ali and Leonard are probably the most accomplished fighters in the sport.

Posted: **12 Feb 2021, 16:49**

What?

Posted: **13 Feb 2021, 00:57**

elmersalsa wrote: ↑10 Feb 2021, 13:27
Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑10 Feb 2021, 13:17 He was a jr middleweight, not a lightweight. Had not been a lightweight for several years.
Still, the weight was not favorable for him. It was like a welterweight fighting Light-heavyweights or cruiserweight.

Still, it was a remarkable feat. A remarkable comeback for the ages.

That it was!

Posted: **30 Mar 2021, 17:17**

Wee Tommy wrote: ↑30 Jan 2021, 03:19
AntonioMartin wrote: ↑29 Jan 2021, 08:27 For the last couple of years Ive had a nagging doubt and want to hear your opinions:

Was the Duran-Moore bout on June 16, 1983 fixed???

I've wondered because of the fact that Duran wound up fighting Marvelous Marvin Hagler in November of that year, as you all know. That was a huge event, 1983's "Super Bowl of boxing".

What's gone through my mind is:
With Sugar Ray Leonard retired and the Hagler-Hearns bout having been cancelled due to A) an injury to Hearns right or B) a judges' decision in Los Angeles that ruled in favor of HBO to carry that bout, the year before, then Hagler-Duran was the fight to be made, but Duran had lost twice in 1982, to Benitez and Kirkland Laing..he needed two impressive wins for H-D to take place....and he did win, including the sentimental win over Moore on his birthday. Add to that the fact Moore died in an accident (or was it not an accident?) in rare circumstances in 1988 and that makes me think did something fishy go on behind the walls between Moore and other, shady characters to ensure the fight went the way the shady characters wanted it to go?

But, then I think, well, if Moore won, then surely HE would have faced Hagler in November as that would have been a big fight, right? Either that or, on the other hand, Hamsho-Benitez which took place next month would have been fixed so that boxing would have a super bowl of boxing in Hagler-Benitez instead in November...so therefore Duran-Moore was not fixed. Also, rumors abound about the Moore-Charlie Weir bout supposedly having been a fix so Weir would win and that that was why Moore "died in a shady way". According to those rumors, the WBA wanted first digs into South African boxing....

Also, ,Moore took a horrible beating...usually in fixes boxers go down after one or two good punches, if it was fixed, Moore surely wouldnt take eight rounds to go down, right?

Or, as must probably was, none of these bouts were fixed and it was this way because that's the way it all was?

What's your opinion on this???
Possibly the most paranoid post in this section I have seen.

Why would you even think this? It’s ludicrous.

In his defense,where better to ask? If you don't ask you don't know. And for paranoid ,maybe I am too. Not because I think this fight was fixed because I actually rewatched it the other day and Moore was soundly beaten.Dirty tactics? It's Duran the same caveman who has been featured in articles like " The ring was their cage".

I just watched the 5th King documentary and someone in that said they thought Barkley x Duran fight was fishy.

Again,for me simply another case of Duran rising to the occasion.
Barkley fought hard but Duran fought crafty.And I thought deserved the win.

Now my paranoia is "I" personally think Hagler x Leonard was fixed. Two beasts in other fights and I think a legitimate dislike from Hagler towards Leonard and to me,it looked like an exhibition.
Hagler having the chance to further cement his legacy against what he considered a prima Donna and he ain't go I g for broke?

And Leonard,he don't want to really show he can hang with such a beast?

And against Lalonde.B.S. No way should Leonard have been able to dictate the terms to the reigning Champion. AND win 2 titles?
Sorry AntonioMartin I wasn't trying to hijack your thread just show if your thread is paranoid you are not alone.

Posted: **30 Mar 2021, 17:21**

That's equally silly. Hauler wanted to prove he could outbox Leonard and he couldn't. Ray was so exhausted at the final bell he could barely stand up. Cutting it pretty close for a fix!

Posted: **30 Mar 2021, 17:36**

Anything is possible. Just a nagging thought ive had since that fight.You may be right,I may be crazy
Oh, but it just may be a lunatic you're looking for...haha

Posted: **30 Mar 2021, 17:44**

I think the saying ‘anything is possible’ is overused nowadays.

Posted: **30 Mar 2021, 17:45**

Wee Tommy wrote: ↑30 Mar 2021, 17:44 I think the saying ‘anything is possible’ is overused nowadays.

Definitely in this case.

Posted: **30 Mar 2021, 17:48**

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑30 Mar 2021, 17:45
Wee Tommy wrote: ↑30 Mar 2021, 17:44 I think the saying ‘anything is possible’ is overused nowadays.

Definitely in this case.

Haglers the last fighter I’d ever accuse of being in a fixed fight. Duran and Barkley beat the hell out of eachother.

I believe the fixed fights of the past were called out due to the fighters going easy until the fixed round was called.

So absolutely nothing like the fights mentioned here

Posted: **30 Mar 2021, 17:58**

Hey normally I'd agree about Hagler being the last guy to be in on a fix but ,but a big enough payoff might change most folks minds.Not saying it's what happened, but again that's my thoughts

.And I didn't think Duran x Barkley was fixed I thought it was a great
fight where Duran rose go the challenge again.And anything is possible always. Not a cliché just a fact.

Posted: **30 Mar 2021, 18:24**

It's a fact that there was no fix involving the fighters. Nothing remotely possible there. The one judge might have gotten a check, but I thought ray won.

If hagler wanted a massive crooked check he would have went down. Leonard by ko would have paid fort Knox.

Fighters don't take that kind of punishment for a fix and neither of those guys would consider it.

Posted: **30 Mar 2021, 18:27**

From memory neither fighter took great punishment.

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